CLord

January 28th, 2024 at 2:21 PM ^

If we proceed to observe a steady program decline with consistent #20 ranked recruiting classes and 5 loss seasons, we'll all be able to point to this comment by this man as the official turning point.

East German Judge

January 28th, 2024 at 2:25 PM ^

Fuck and fire Warde.  I know Harbaugh is an interesting character and probably a tough employee, but having a bad relationship with JH just made his decision to leave that much easier.  

cheesheadwolverine

January 28th, 2024 at 2:29 PM ^

You don’t want to end up like A&M or Miami, who notably both suck, but you have to find a happy medium.  When the best player at the most important position grows up down the road and he goes to play for Brian Kelly 2000 miles away because you won’t even engage on money, something needs to change.

mr_garydaniels

January 29th, 2024 at 12:20 PM ^

Yeah, and you need a lot of those guys to do what we've done on this three year run. The story for a lot of people seems to be that we identified and developed a bunch of flyer-type guys into stars, like Kris Jenkins, but you can't ignore that we also had a lot of highly-sought guys on this team who we won close recruiting battles for, often head to head with OSU, like JJ McCarthy, Donovan Edwards, Blake Corum, Kenneth Grant, and Will Johnson, to name a few.  If we start losing those types of guys to OSU over NIL, I think we'll be on the wrong side of this rivalry again and quickly. It doesn't matter how good the coaching, culture, and identification are by this staff going forward, you still need to compete for the top guys somehow.

Hensons Mobile…

January 28th, 2024 at 2:35 PM ^

I may be way off base on what I'm about to say. I've tried looking into this out of curiosity and, not surprisingly, it's not easy to get straightforward answer with cursory searches on the Internet.

But I'm under the impression that the big problem is that the NCAA just completely punted on enforcement. From the standpoint of compliance (without discussing the morality of it) they should have shut the collectives down before they even started.

If I give money to a Michigan collective, and then they sign the athlete to a service agreement, for which the athlete is compensated for showing up to charity events or signing events or what have you, that is pay for play, and thus, against NCAA rules.

The reason it is pay for play because the collective is only going to enter into a service agreement with student athletes at Michigan. If you leave Michigan, you no longer will have that service agreement. If you are an athlete at Michigan State, Wayne State, Eastern, or Washtenaw Community College, or you are a non-athlete, you will not be considered for a service agreement. Your service agreement is contingent on you being at student athlete at Michigan, which is the only reason the collectives are able to raise money in the first place.

It does not matter that the money is not coming from the school. The whole pay for play rule is simply the idea of banning quid pro quo, regardless of who offers the money.

Surely given that we, just like every other school, are already blatantly violating the NCAA rules, we should be free to operate in whatever way Ohio State is. There should still be some strategy to it, or else you end up like TAMU and Miami. And it probably doesn't require handing a kid cash prior to them signing the LOI. It's merely a promise (wink wink) of what's available once they become enrolled. And frankly, I assume that's what we're already doing. You are explicitly allowed to connect students to the NIL opportunities and make recruits aware of the opportunities that exist.

Our biggest issue is really just fundraising.

Like I said, I'm actually quite lost in the realities of NIL, so any constructive feedback or corrections are welcome.

stephenrjking

January 28th, 2024 at 2:51 PM ^

One of the things for which I sharply criticize inveterate Warde critics is making assumptions on what things are and are not Warde responsibilities for the purpose of blaming him for them. 

So I appreciate Warde taking ownership of this strategy so that he can be properly blamed for it. 

CC_MFan

January 28th, 2024 at 3:14 PM ^

So he isn't going to support Moore is what he is saying.  Before, we were getting some transfers, but the NIL has entered that arena as well, and we are going to be in the same boat there as well.  It is just a matter of time until this destroys the football team.  I wish him to be gone.

 

JTP

January 28th, 2024 at 3:24 PM ^

Either you make adjustments with the system to win, or you hang your hat on this NC for 10 years. I hope they make the adjustments but fear they’ll hang their hat on the title.

MichiganiaMan

January 28th, 2024 at 3:32 PM ^

There are so many ways to be creative about NIL that would both solve the problem we’re having, and complement the mission of the university/Harbaugh’s approach to co-curricular experiences. 

The problem with Warde is that his program is making little to no progress on even the “transformational not transactional” approach. He’s not even running the AD into the ground; he’s running it into the 1990s. And we already won our natty so…

Ghost of Fritz…

January 28th, 2024 at 3:50 PM ^

Warde Manuel's approach to getting and retaining the absolute best talent available:  I'll make you wait.  If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

Keeping one of the two best coaches in college football (Saban retired, leaving Smart and JH as the two best)?  I'll cut your salary when it goes poorly, and then when it goes great, I'll make you wait until you are negotiating final details with the Chargers until I meet your contract asks.   

Getting those few five stars that will keep Michigan football in the top 5?  Sorry, you can wait.  One of the collectives (that I was hostile to when they started and still not a fan of) will get you some NIL deals after you get into the starting lineup.

 

Ghost of Fritz…

January 28th, 2024 at 4:13 PM ^

Since this is the way Warde thinks, Ono should cut his pay to zero and then offer him a promise of future NIL deals when and if Michigan teams win Big Ten championships.  Transformational, not transactional, right Warde?  If you only want to be at Michigan for guaranteed payday, then Michigan is not the right place for you, right Warde?

meeashagin

January 28th, 2024 at 4:22 PM ^

This is crazy. It comes off as greedy greedy greedy. The kids no Michigan is cashing in having just won a natty yet they have no desire to share in said money?

I would've much rather heard plan on turning over every rock to help Moore be successful.

 

It's going to take a couple 7-5 seasons before the fans become irritate at Michigans NIL approach. This will be used against us s no doubt. I feel for Moore but Michigan is cheap.

badjuju81

January 28th, 2024 at 4:26 PM ^

I want someone in the media to ask Sherrone if he agrees athletes should get revenue sharing from the athletic profits (mostly TV money), and hear Sherrone respond by taking up that cause wholeheartedly.

I then want to see how Warde Manuel reacts to it.

Blau

January 28th, 2024 at 4:42 PM ^

Why is it that Santa Ono seems more plugged into the student-athlete mindset than the AD? The optics here are what bugs me the most. Even if this is Warde's true feelings towards the current NIL environment for Michigan athletics, I have to think recruits/transfers might view his statement as "not willing to pay" for quality athletes.

By the way, I don't hate Warde's sentiment but it's this type of publicly-stated antiquated notion that will leave Michigan a step behind the top teams willing to pay. He would've never made this proclamation with Harbaugh here. There's at least 3 or 4 other things he could've said that paint the program in a better light.

AlbanyBlue

January 28th, 2024 at 5:17 PM ^

Did we really expect anything else? 

Warde is the ultimate admin -- the equivalent of the manager that sits in his office all day producing and analyzing reports. I doubt he has much connection to athletics itself, aside from the financial side. 

He also strikes me as having a giant ego. He has to be the most important person in the room, and that probably is why he has issues with Harbaugh. Jim is a celebrity in a position that is arguably more significant than the AD at many schools anyway. Harbaugh's gravitas just makes it moreso.

Nope, the AD is going to be firmly stuck in neutral as long as Warde is around.

ChampsoftheWest

January 28th, 2024 at 5:23 PM ^

Jim in a sense, was a visionary for college football. He had to be to succeed at Michigan with our lackluster NIL collective and high academic standards. It started the satellite camps and signing with the stars and yearly team trips, and ending with a team built from only 2 five stars and a new defense extracted from the latest and greatest schematic in the NFL to win a national championship.
 

Warde is none of these things, which is fine and not something he can apologize for. But the template that Jim built is there for NIL and a plan for revenue sharing which Warde should be driving as an administrator. 
 

Instead, it seems in public he says nothing other than status quo and in private I imagine he doesn’t expect to incorporate these changes with Jim’s fingerprints on them. We will see, but if history bears repeating, I expect not much will change. 

rhamada

January 29th, 2024 at 8:40 AM ^

This is one of the many reasons Harbaugh decided to jump to the NFL.  He says it was very difficult to leave because he loves Michigan but the Board of Regents, Administration, and AD wouldn't give him what he needs despite what he's done for the University.  Imagine how dominant Harbaugh could have been if they would give him what he wanted.  We can only imagine the legacy.  Oh well, the typical Michigan arrogance.  

mr_garydaniels

January 29th, 2024 at 11:38 AM ^

I'm against inducements and going after the recruits/transfers who only want the biggest paycheck, but we've got to show kids that if they sign with us, we've got a big NIL war chest to support them once they're here. No reason why we couldn't be in the top tier. I can't stand this complacent, arrogant attitude of Michigan as a 'brand' that sells itself, and that players will eventually figure out that it's best for them to sign here if they know what's good for them. We're an institution, like any other in college athletics, who has to figure NIL out in alignment with a set of values (which I acknowledge makes this harder for us than say, Kentucky, Texas A&M, O$U, or whoever).