I obviously don't like Doyel but the politically correct section is killing our country. Clark is an amazing BB talent for a girl and I don't want to sound insensitive but c'mon...I find it hard to believe anyone is thinking about anything but BB when talking to her.

I mean as soon as she talks I question her supplements.

Michigan is about as cheap a program thats out there and everyone knows it.

Exactly, I'm so sick of the excuses making commitee on this board. 

Michigan academic rules are archaic. 

You must be joking with that comment. 

By season end only low-key MSU/OSU fans were still watching.

As for the rest of us it was too painful to watch.

 "At some point, after 4-5 years it's best to move on"

Why when there's NIL? Plus covid has shown that players that pop in year 6 do move up draft boards, see Kenny Picket.

Not getting drafted means football is over for 90%.

Excellent at moving his man. Not great at pass pro though.

I mean GB draft was awful so he has a chance to be their best prospect.

BM was rotational because Michigan had an incredible defense with several DE. He was excellent vs Bama a team full of draftable lineman.

I'm definitely supervised by BM even if you arent

If Michigan had a solid NIL all the UDFA players could've returned.

First it was we aren't doing pay for play.

Then it was we aren't paying recruits who haven't performed yet even if it means losing out on 3, in state, 5 star QB's. Instead we will use NIL to keep are players in house. Even if it only 3 stars and walk-ons.

Then Keon Sabb who was incredible in the national title game (locked up Rome Udunze on a critical play in the end zone) we let walk due to NIL. The cope from this was well he's not officially a starter so we can't give him NIL

Now we have a corner who we all anticipated being cb2 is leaving due to NIL and the cope is we can't get into bidding wars with Kentucky. Kentucky?

This shits crazy and our fan base has become completely delusional about it

Where does it stop? What player are you not okay with because it keeps changing and these schools are not going to stop coming.

Hey at least we don't have to worry about anyone coming after our QBs.

Michigan players not getting drafted is shocking but even more shocking is all of them still had eligability...or just about all.

I'm guessing our lack if NIL has something to do with them not returning.

Michigan approach towards NIL is embarrassing. 

In life if you're 3rd teir at anything it will catch up to you.

I though he went to Ole Miss to play db which didn't work (probably because he doesn't have the aggressive mindset) so he decide wr is best. Returning to Michigan was so he doesn't also have to learn another offense.

Thats my take on it but I could be off. 

He has blazing speed which is useful skill in football so yes please.

The spin masters are all over it.

Hes a true freshman so the depth chart MAKES ABOSLUTELY NO SENSE.

Our fan base is the only fan base that stll thinks paying players is illegal or somehow bad.

Its unbelievable. 

Michigan is cheap not sure what you think we have to go shopping with. 

We have a walk-on and a lowly 3 star battling it out at QB because Michigan is by far the cheapest university on the planet.

Agree, even as a Lions fan I'm okay with JJ to Minnesota as they have everything for him to be successful. 

I guess because as we slide into 2024 the Lions, IMO, have the best roster in the NFL so even if JJ is successful Detroit will still be much better.

Regardless, JJ has done so much for me personall by providing a dream that I honestly didn't think Michigan could achieve both in dominating OSU then knocking off the mighty SEC for a national title...I'll always root for JJ no matter what...he's earned it.

I'm extremely greatful that May is our bb coach...having said that I'm just not sure how to feel about an all new lineup year in year out.

I mean anyone thats an underclassmen and plays good will most likely be gone to Kansas, Kentucky and I guess now Arkansas too.

Or do you anticipate Michigan finally paying their top players to stay?

I just don't understand what's happening with college basketball. My dad is a Vols fan and they've been very good of late yet they too seem to change out 80% of their roster, annuall, via portal.

Its unbelievable as it appears no matter how good someone plays they enter the portal. 

This can't be how its gonna be is it?  

So it's Juwan's fault Michigan didn't have NIL? NIL didn't exist when Juwan arrived at Michigan so how exactly would anyone else an have more insight than him? Just doesn't make sense.

It is such a huge advantage to play at night but winning is secondary to old, rich people, comfort.

Hopefully I ruffled some feathers.

You're reading way too much into it. To me it's simple..Warren looked like the better QB and it wasn't even close. I don't care about what a QB can do running if he can't complete a pass beyond 10 yards (8 man fronts, safeties both within 8 yards of los, will kill both our run game + Orgi's legs wont matter unless he can stretch the D.) 

Michigan oline will be better if they have balance. + they have Moore so Oline should always be their foundation.

I mean Warren was doing this while being blitzed with free rushers too. He was impressive. I'm not saying it's over but we definitely have a lot more info. I think Warren confidence will be super high now too which is/was my concern with him as has lost it in the past. 

Also, Warren to the naked eye has was more arm talent than Cade. Not that that's everything it's not but he can do things that Cade just couldn't.

This is crazy. Do we want May to be successful? May has his players that know his system and one just so happens to be one of the best guards in college basketball. Yet here goes Michigan bargain bin shopping, again.

Instead May has to settle fore the 250th best player in the portal to play guard because he will require no NIL whatsoever. 

I just don't think it's fair to May and it's definitely not his first choice. The benefit of having transfers that no your system cannot be understated.

I hate that Michigan BB has made me so negative but I supported every move they made delusionally to the point I actually was on here trying to convince people we'd be better without Dickinson because no ski mask n culture, blah, blah. I vowed never to be that dumb again, sorry Michigan.

Here we go with that culture shit which is code for NIL wasn't a factor. Michigan has turned me into a cry baby ass fan. We went 8-24 doing Wardes way.

All Michigan does is talk about changing their NIL but they clearly aren't.

We can't even get Michigan to come off the donor dollars.

 They are still at the infant phase of begging fans to donate and telling players we'll guide you to local businesses once you arrive on campus.

The University of Michigan can't compare to s place like Arkansas????

Michigan is officially a minor league team for the top basketball schools. No good players will stay at Michigan under these conditions.

You can neg me all you want idc anymore.

Michigan isn't serious about winning at bb. Its frustrating as a fan when you know and more importantly the players know that Michigan makes top 5 money but refuses to share it.

There's a reason Harbaugh was screaming for the players to be paid by someone other that schools because he had been told Michigan is not helping him with $$$ period.

To act like Michigan can't afford Davis because they need to fill out their roster makes absolutely no sense considering everyone gets paid, everyone on the roster, not just portal players.

Its real simple where top 5 NIL programs may use 10 mill to fill out their roster Michigan is telling players just get here and we'll help you find NIL partners, wtf? So I doubt Michigan is paying 1 penny rather they beg fans and businesses which was a huge factor in why we went 8-24. 

Here come all the lame ass excuses on why he's not coming. 

We can't even land our coaches former star player...how embarrassing that must be to May.

Michigan is cheap, see Dickinson for reference.

Yes

So do we not care about the scholarships because NIL make them moot?

FSU got hit with NIL payments which resulted amongst other things a show cause for one of their coaches yet he still works at FSU...for whatever that means.

Not so fast.

Denard has a ton of street cred.

Get him some help then reassess.

I appreciate the fact that they don't appear to worry about saving money, almost ever.

Michigan seems to be targeting the 20-80 window when it comes to the portal because that's where the BOGO's are at.

Michigan clearly has our new coach building a team on a budget. Ill stop believing this when Davis commits who I'm sure is 1# on May's wishlist.

Support your new coach Michigan. 

Michigan still team building on a budget.

Why do we accept this as a fan base?

Nobody is saying annually spend like programs that are serious about winning but have the ability to make exceptions for the right talent like Davis. You know our new coaches superstar guard.

Maybe he wants his degree from Michigan which would seem important for a non NBA talent.

The Howard still means something to me

Ohio State offense will be a step down from last year. That Missouri game opened my eyes to OSU life on O moving forward is going to be tough.

If Michigan can't land Davis over NIL then absolutely nothing is changing or will chance. To me he is the symbol that Michigan is serious about winning.

How embarrassing it will be for May if the kid gives him a number and tubby says no.

Listen, I love Michigan more than any other sport team pro/college but I cannot deal with Michigan arrogance relative to NIL. (all other Michigan arrogance I love)

Seth is 100% correct Bryce Underwood has already proven plenty.....more than any QB currently on our roster has therefore its okay/mandatory to compensate him. We cannot trade-off a 5 star who lives right down the street + been on campus 2 dozen times for another 3 star.

Support coach Moore by Matching LSU thus landing Underwood.

I won't be watching. Too painful.

Don Brown defense was extremely predictable which is the complete opposite of how my NY Giants buddy's describe Wink's defense.

I'm not concerned 1 bit with our defense rather its the QB situation that has me shook. 

How is the NIL better already? 

Losing Dickinson happened. I don't think that had anything to do with Juwan not trying. If anything Juwan leaving allows him to be honest with the fans about why our NIL wasn't in the budget.

May was desired by other programs if Michigan don't meet his request he has options, they know this. Juwan was never leaving Michigan, they also knew this.

Some people will always find the negative in a supposed positive situation.

I just don't get why people associate loaded with recruits. It makes no sense.

Loaded is what Michigan defense returned last year and even this year....thats loaded not some random kids that may or may not pan out.

I get that you wanted to brag a little but not sure how people watch BB after our 8-24 season.

Too painful.

Recruited Braden Fiske 

I'm just blown away that as Michigan fans we have to pray that are players are different... that they wont want money... instead of forcing our University to take care of said players.

I seen a graph that showed Ohio State as the most money making University...probably on here somewhere)....and Michigan was 2nd making more than any other University Including all SEC teams.

STOP being cheap Michigan & compensate our players.

After listening to May's interview with the FAU media on his reasons for choosing Michigan I don't think Warde had as much to do with May coming to Michigan as originally thought.

Sounds like May lived in Ann Arbor for a year while he coached at Eastern, I believe, and loved it. The Michigan Brand also was mentioned several times too.

None of this is surprising to me. It's not JJs fault his coach believes you win by taking the other teams manhood.

To me JJ has as much raw talent as any of them and I actually think he has the best blend of skills across the board along with he has the it factor none of these other guys do.

If my team was drafting a QB JJ would be my QB1 mainly because all QBs struggle at some point I believe he's best equipped to handle it. Of course I wanted Justin Fields in 21 so what do I know.

Sarcasm?

As someone who's lived in Michigan for 30 years both in the Detroit and Grayling (lots of snow + long, long winters) area along with last 17 years in Florida I would never consider moving back to Michigan under no circumstance.

If serious, I do understand people who love the beauty of the fall which Florida cannot match, ever....I love Michigan with a passion I just can't do cold anymore, ever.

Articles like this should tell the fan base the Dickinson scenario should/better never happen again.

We want our BB program to be as aggressive as our football program in retention.