Hoops Snowflakes thread
How many times do we need to see this type of flailing by the basketball team at the end of games.
I watched this whole game, been watching since Campy Russell and CJ Cupek and I was screaming at the TV because of how they were coached and played from the end of the 1st OT till the end, truly pathetic.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:22 PM ^
Good defenses really function like they're not even thinking; it's just instinctive moving to spots and defending guys.
So true-- there's a reason they call it "defense on a string!" You have to move as a team, and that has to be practiced to the point of instinct. That's why I miss the Yaklich teams... so few teams are actually structurally any good.
Agree about the potential for growth, that is my whole reason to be cautious with letting Juwan go as opposed to putting together a fresh coaching staff. If he is just getting started, it gives me some hope too. I have gotten a little tired of how much I cringe watching the play of this year's team though.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:00 PM ^
Lots of coaching malpractice today but none worse than not calling a TO as soon as Florida hit a 3 to tie it. Not that I would’ve expected a good set to be run but sitting on your hands is inexcusable
December 19th, 2023 at 10:14 PM ^
Honestly, that didn't bother me a ton because especially if a team just hit a shot sometimes you can catch them in transition and get that winning shot in the scrum that follows. What was dumb was not giving it to Dug and having him try to take it to the rim instead of Burnett hoisting up a bad 3 with time left. Florida's not a good defensive team and so get them moving around and scrambling and try to win that way is fine by me. But you gotta have that planned out that your PG gets the ball.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:38 PM ^
Should’ve fouled that terrible free throw shooter before letting them take another 3
December 19th, 2023 at 10:31 PM ^
Agree. Just as bad is allowing the 3! Run them off the line and make them play the foul game if they get a quick 2. Back to back wide open chances. And then no shot with 10 seconds and a time out? Way too much iso.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:26 PM ^
the final 15 sec of regulation was the epitome of howard's coaching
December 19th, 2023 at 10:32 PM ^
The Scott Frost of basketball.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:32 PM ^
The worst defensive possession was when they were down 6 and could’ve fouled the terrible free throw shooter but instead let him pass to the guy who hit the open 3 point shot. WTF?! There was about a min left in 2OT and it was like they’d just given up. Then, down 9 they hit a couple shots and it’s a game again with 30 seconds left.
I know they were all exhausted by then but that’s on coaching too.
sigh
Dug deserves a better team to be part of
December 19th, 2023 at 10:58 PM ^
I’ve been a huge supporter of Coach Howard, but yet again I found myself yelling “box out!!!” at the TV. It’s the most simplistic thing in basketball and this team hasn’t done it for a few years now.
Almost all of these close games would be wins if they simply put a butt on someone when the shot goes up. That is a coaching problem at this point it’s not going to change with this staff. Sigh.
December 20th, 2023 at 7:14 AM ^
What's more troubling here is that Juwan was such a stout rebounder and defensive presence as a player. It's not like he doesn't know both how and why.
December 20th, 2023 at 9:30 AM ^
You've spent 1.5 years advocating for more time and patience for Juwan and defending the indefensible. Can't you eat your crow and/or stay out of these threads rather than pretend to be a voice of reason that you're clearly not?
December 20th, 2023 at 10:49 AM ^
Anyone get this feeling that all the friends of Juwan help burn down the program if he is let go. Giving him good press/vibes doesnt do much but somehow bad comments on the program will set us back to pre Amaker days. Bpone is thriving in basketball these days.
December 20th, 2023 at 12:27 PM ^
Where are his friends to help elevate the program?
December 20th, 2023 at 6:37 PM ^
Agreed
December 19th, 2023 at 9:53 PM ^
I really don’t understand why people get negged on here for any take that suggests Juwan isn’t cutting it here? I’d just like someone to come on here and explain why he needs to keep his job at this point? He was a gamble when we hired him and it’s not working out. This will be two straight years not going to the NCAA tournament, so the trajectory is downward. What am I missing that some here blindly follow him?
December 19th, 2023 at 9:58 PM ^
There's a section of fans that think it's ridiculous to say or think anything negative about anything dealing with Michigan. Get use to it, they hate the truth sometimes
December 20th, 2023 at 8:26 AM ^
At least speaking for myself, I don’t even disagree that both parties should part ways after the season, I just don’t see the need to always talk about it. They aren’t going to fire him during this season.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:05 PM ^
No worries, Warde will figure this out.
December 20th, 2023 at 7:55 AM ^
Yup. Seems like there are some who take issue with those who arrived at the conclusion that Juwan is not a good fit here sooner than some others.
No one in their right mind wants their coach to do poorly or get fired. Especially someone like Juwan who has a history with Michigan. It's sad but if he doesn't turn it around ASAP, something has to change.
We went from hanging banners and making the NCAA tourney fairly consistently every year to now maybe not even making it to the NIT? It's not just a one off year either.
December 19th, 2023 at 9:54 PM ^
Harbaugh turned the ship around. Howard should get the benefit of the doubt. It's his first head coaching stint. What's the harm in giving him a few more years?
December 19th, 2023 at 9:56 PM ^
Harbaugh at least had pedigree as a good coach, no losing seasons in the NFL, 3 straight NFC title games, and almost won a Super Bowl. Juwan has nothing comparable to that because he’s never been a head coach anywhere else before Michigan
December 19th, 2023 at 10:00 PM ^
Harbaugh was a great coach before he got here. He more than earned a mulligan for 2020. Juwan had a great story, an apprenticeship for the Miami Heat is about the best training ground you are going to have sans head coaching experience. But he’s just not assembling the proper pieces or putting them in positions to succeed.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:07 PM ^
I genuinely can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:31 PM ^
Depends on how enthusiastic or apathetic I am about mbb at a given moment.
December 20th, 2023 at 7:16 AM ^
Despondent is on the way.
December 19th, 2023 at 11:38 PM ^
As of right now, Torvik has Michigan projected to finish 8th in the Big Ten. The past two teams have also finished 8th in the Big Ten.
Other than 2020, I don't think Harbaugh had a team finish 8th in the Big Ten. Not exactly comparable.
December 19th, 2023 at 11:55 PM ^
Harbaugh understands that you need multiple good guards on the roster and can translate that to recruiting.
December 19th, 2023 at 9:55 PM ^
We’ve become Nebraska football in terms of finding ways to lose every close game
December 19th, 2023 at 9:59 PM ^
I was actually thinking the same thing. Howard should be fired now, but he damn well better be at the end of the season. He cannot be given another season when we can all see that nothing will change. I feel like I am taking crazy pills.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:43 PM ^
So the answer here is that we need to hire Scott Frost to coach the basketball team!
December 19th, 2023 at 10:43 PM ^
And some might say that we hit harder.
(Too soon?)
December 19th, 2023 at 9:56 PM ^
So this guy is getting labeled a troll and getting banned right? Oh wait he's talking about Juwan not harbaugh .
December 19th, 2023 at 10:18 PM ^
Are you really this big of a Karen in real life?
December 19th, 2023 at 10:37 PM ^
You don't even know me, if you did you'd think different. You have no clue who I am .
December 19th, 2023 at 11:23 PM ^
I know you were delivered via your mother's rectum, and that's why the children at school called you butt baby.
December 20th, 2023 at 9:04 AM ^
Omg hilarious !!!
December 19th, 2023 at 11:46 PM ^
Jim Stapleton?
December 19th, 2023 at 10:44 PM ^
For your health and safety reasons, it's best you sit this one out.
December 19th, 2023 at 9:58 PM ^
43-37 in the last 80 games.
5-17 in games decided by 2 possessions or less since 2021.
Several instances of bad behavior/culture issues on and off the court.
*Snaps fingers* Hello, Warde? You there bud?
December 19th, 2023 at 9:59 PM ^
He is too busy with his good friend Jim Stapleton.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:04 PM ^
What are the odds that Warde is off shore in a yacht and doesn’t have phone service? Lol
December 19th, 2023 at 10:51 PM ^
Sailing on the yacht Stripes I assume.
December 19th, 2023 at 11:25 PM ^
Those numbers clarify it. Woof.
December 19th, 2023 at 9:59 PM ^
Pretty fun to be all but guaranteed out of the tournament by Christmas!
December 19th, 2023 at 9:59 PM ^
San Diego Mick is mad as hell as he isn’t going to take it anymore.
December 19th, 2023 at 10:00 PM ^
Do we really need one of these threads every time they lose?
December 19th, 2023 at 10:13 PM ^
I feel old and grumpy today, so yes, this is acceptable.
I need a drink.