Wink Martindale Named Defensive Coordinator
First broken by Sam Webb, Michigan intends to hire Don "Wink" Martindale to replace Jesse Minter as defensive coordinator.
BREAKING: Wink Martindale hired as #MIchigan's new defensive coordinator. #GoBlue (FREE) https://t.co/Ztc7ztapBn pic.twitter.com/uF7T1iWrzz
— Sam Webb (@SamWebb77) February 9, 2024
Wink was the defensive coordinator of the Ravens from 2018-'22, meaning he's the DC who developed the "Ravens" defense that Michigan's been running, and was the coordinator Mike Macdonald and Jesse Minter were reporting to before leaving for college jobs. Mac replaced Martindale in 2022, and Wink coached the New York Giants defense for the last two years.
If you're looking for a reason Michigan could pull a guy like Martindale out of the NFL now, the Ravens clearly chose to move on to Macdonald after 2021, and the Giants were 23rd and 30th in DVOA in the two seasons since, so the shine's come off. But he also checks the boxes that Sherrone Moore wanted for his DC hire, namely continuity, experience, and a big enough deal that the big deals on the roster don't get lured away by big deals in the portal.
If your goal for this hire was to get whomever Jesse Minter suggests, it's hard to do better than Minter's mentor. But of course we're Michigan fans flush from winning a national championship on the strength of the defense, so let's address the nits.
[After THE JUMP: Analysis.]
Can he coach a Ravens defense?
Well yeah it's his defense; Martindale was the Ravens defensive coordinator when they committed to running this stuff in 2018. Both Jesse Minter (analyst 2018, DBs 2019-'20) and Mike Macdonald (LBs 2018-'20, Wink's analyst before that) were assistants under Martindale, with Mac succeeding Martindale as both Ravens LBs coach and defensive coordinator. John Harbaugh and Martindale "mutually parted ways" after the 2021 season, and Wink went on to two rough years with the New York Giants that also ended mutually this offseason.
The Giants are so dysfunctional I can't contextualize anything that happened there, but you have to wonder if Wink was The Amoeba Guy why the Ravens were willing to lose him in 2022. The stated reason was Wink wanted to be a head coach.
Wink Martindale said his departure from Baltimore after 10 years was mutual. He said it's "no big secret" that he wants to be a head coach and he believes this opportunity with the Giants will advance toward that goal. He said he loves John Harbaugh.
— Dan Duggan (@DDuggan21) May 26, 2022
Considering his replacement would succeed Pete Carroll in two years, that seems like spin. Baltimore fell from 6th to 20th in DVOA the year Martindale lost Macdonald, and returned to 5th their first year under Mac; they were 1st this season. Clearly Macdonald himself was a major part of the Ravens' success under Martindale, but the '21 Ravens were wracked by injuries, particularly in the secondary. It's pretty clear that Wink was due for a big new contract, and John Harbaugh realized he could get the same or better out of Macdonald for much less.
On the other hand, this is the guy who was the coordinator who came up with the system Michigan rode to a national championship with a pair of his assistants, one of whom is now an NFL head coach and another a coordinator. New Ravens DC Zach Orr was an undrafted free agent who played for Martindale from 2014-'16 then became an analyst under him in 2017-'20 before taking an assistant role with the Jags in 2021. If those guys were just running Wink's stuff I imagine the Ravens would have hired Wink back this offseason. But he's not "just another Ravens name" either.
Wink came up through or is one step removed from just about every major 3-4 school or NFL coach you can think of, working under Bob Davie, Rick Minter, and Mike Nolan. Former Baltimore DC Dean Pees connects him to the Saban/Belichik tree.
The "Amoeba" defense actually came out of cap considerations. Pass rushers were expensive, safeties were relatively cheap, and their data showed elite cornerbacks were essential. So the Ravens invested heavily in the secondary, going with smart linebackers until they could draft cheaper ones, and trusting a huge defensive line to mosh rush the quarterback instead of winning (expensive) 1-on-1 battles. It was their luck they developed Matt Judon into a guy who could do both.
Colin had a thread (referenced on our message board) that suggests Wink is much more of a Cover 1 and Cover 0 guy, whereas Minter and to a lesser degree Macdonald liked to use sim pressures and rotating coverages, IE the Amoeba stuff that gives the defense its flavor.
But he really does not run the defense we have seen at Michigan the last 3 years. When we hired Mac I was very ready to do a "heh we hired a young Don Brown" take bc that's what you see when you watched All 22 of Wink's D. It's clear he's still running that D. pic.twitter.com/tFm7S1kBs6
— Manuel Excel (@colintj) February 7, 2024
If you're lost on that chart, I think it means the Giants blitz the passing game like the Vikings, and Broncos. The Ravens influence is there in a lot of Cover 1 and Cover 3.
Ross Fulton went so far as to call Wink's defenses "Fangio-esque."
That's what was always interesting to me in discussing the "Ravens tree" because Mac and Minter were not at all doing the same thing that Wink was doing. Was more Fangio-esque.
— Ross Fulton (@RossRFulton) February 8, 2024
I'm not sure what they mean by that. Fangio's tree, as I understand it, shares the light boxes, off corners, wide standup edges, and disguised coverages with the Ravens, but the "system" is mostly based in two-high, specifically lots of Quarters and Cover 6. This worked a couple of times for Denver in slowing down Pat Mahomes, and has been getting eviscerated underneath ever since the scheme profligated to the Chargers (pre-Harbaugh), Seahawks (pre-Mac), Packers, Vikings, and Browns. Michigan bases out of Cover 3 with a lot of sim pressure, but Colin notes he thought Macdonald was a Don Brown guy when Michigan hired him initially, considering often the Ravens were running Cover 1 with five-man pressures in 2020. The supposition is that Martindale likes to run Cover 1 until he can run Cover 0, and Macdonald/Minter really spread their wings when they got to Ann Arbor.
If you're just comparing their NFL defenses, yeah, Wink is a lot more blitzy (that was kind of the point of spending all that cap space on ninjas in the secondary). I don't know if you can compare the two, however. Michigan spends long chunks of its season in a base Cover 3 and leans into the weird stuff for Ohio State and maybe a Washington on top of it. NFL teams play other NFL teams 16 times before the postseason. It's a much different level of exposure, and affords you a slower installation. Being in the NFL for the last two decades probably means Martindale will be a downgrade from Minter in the strategic deployment of Michigan's Amoeba tricks, but I'm not convinced he runs a different system. That would defeat the point.
Can he recruit or is he just an NFL lifer?
Wink somehow never overlapped with Greg Mattison despite coaching at a lot of the same stops, but he's got a profile very similar to Matty's when he returned to college. That is, Martindale's got a college background but has been in the NFL since 2004. Originally from Dayton—Trotwood-Madison in fact—Wink was a truck driver(!) for a year after college then went back to his school (Defiance) to be the defensive coordinator in 1986. He was a linebackers assistant at Notre Dame under Bob Davie in the mid-'90s under Rick Minter before joining Minter's staff at Cincinnati. Jack Harbaugh then hired Martindale to be the defensive coordinator at WKU from 1999-2003.
Wink's NFL career started with the Raiders, and two years later he joined the Bronco's for Mike Nolan's second stint in Denver. Nolan only lasted a year under Josh McDaniels, who promoted Wink to defensive coordinator in 2010. McDaniels was gone before the season ended and Wink was out of there with him. After a season off, John Harbaugh hired his dad's old assistant to be the new linebackers coach because Dean Pees was being promoted to DC. Pees kept the position until 2017 when Martindale in turn replaced him.
One important note: Via Sam on our podcast yesterday, Wink's was a name who moves the needle for keeping Michigan's defensive stars. The chances that everybody makes it the start of the season just went up substantially.
Staying power?
This is probably a short-term rental—two or three years—since Wink's been a successful pro DC and didn't come back to the college ranks for 20 years once he got his NFL shot. I haven't gotten into what was going on with the Giants, but this seems like a marriage of great convenience. Wink's a 60-year-old coach whose career was stalling out, and Michigan spent the last three years running his stuff with two of his guys who quickly became coaching darlings. Sherrone Moore missed out on Orr, seemed to be losing Cullen to Macdonald, and spent the last two weeks losing battles over assistants with his former boss.
To Sherrone Moore, this is a feature, not a bug. Moore is one of those young guys that Harbaugh brought on. Harbaugh had a ton of experience, and had his dad around. Jesse Minter's dad was around too. Sherrone explicitly wanted a more experienced coach for his DC, which means he was never going to hire a hot up-and-comer in his 30s.
Martindale probably isn't going to do a lot of recruiting, and if he beats Ohio State again and an NFL team wants him he's probably gone. Those are the downsides. The upshot is Michigan gets to keep running the Amoeba—now under the guy who invented it—and gets to keep telling players with NFL dreams that they've come to the school where that happens.
Ideally, Martindale gets to coach a loaded defense for a couple of years, and when he 's ready to go back to the pros Clinkscale's spent all that time in Wink's back pocket and is ready to run it like a Raven.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:05 AM ^
Let's hope so. Have to assume that Moore has addressed with Martindale any significant differences in the way he has implemented the defense from Minter and Macdonald. Have to wonder just how high the level of concern was that players may leave if he brought anyone else on board as DC at this point. Remaining defensive hires will be interesting.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:50 AM ^
The success Michigan and the Ravens had this year, combined with the fact Clink is still on staff as "defensive passing game coordinator" makes me hopeful that they will try game planning to be similar to this year.
February 9th, 2024 at 1:07 PM ^
Fwiw, Oregon has Dillon Gabriel, who was 1st team all big 12 at Oklahoma last year.
February 9th, 2024 at 8:52 AM ^
The goal here was clearly continuity, which makes sense with the personnel coming back on D. If he works he's gone. If he doesn't-with these guys on this D-he should be gone soon. But an experienced guy on that side of the ball that shrine can let run... That's a good thing for a young HC.
Makes sense and gives stability and continuity to the D. Let's get a DL coach.
February 9th, 2024 at 8:57 AM ^
Sherrone needed someone at DC with a great resume … Wink may be older and not great recruiting but he knows defense… and unless we suddenly lose someone to the portal or season injury we have a great defense coming back !!! … if he’s gone in a couple of seasons so what we are in the NOW … getting Clink back was great as well …
February 9th, 2024 at 9:58 AM ^
Just wondering why we are all assuming he won't be a good recruiter?! Yes he has been out of college for a while but that's not a guarantee he won't be a good recruiter. Give the guy a chance and we should all be thankful we hired someone with his expertise!
February 9th, 2024 at 9:04 AM ^
My first reaction is not terribly impressed with this. Hope I’m wrong
February 9th, 2024 at 9:05 AM ^
Now I don't know whether the Defensive UFR from the Rose Bowl is going to make me happy or sad.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:08 AM ^
Hope.
Hope he doesn't try and blitz 54% of the time
Hope he doesn't abandon C2/Q/C6 for all C1 & C0
Hope he isn't a zero in recruiting
Hope he can adapt to college environment
Hope he doesn't have to "mutually part ways" again
Hope his bad defenses the last 3 year's weren't his fault
February 9th, 2024 at 9:13 AM ^
He will almost assuredly be a zero in recruiting. Even young guys like Macdonald and Minter sucked. But that's not a concern for me, the others are concerns yes but time will tell how much. Given what he had to work with in NY I'm willing to give him a pass on that.
Moore has shown a desire and intention to have a bigger focus on recruiting, I think that will be fine even with a guy like Wink who won't be pounding the pavement.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:20 AM ^
yes, this def could be true if Moore invests more in recruiting elsewhere but its concerning that the first name I heard floated to come with Wink was another guy (Wilkins) who's also been in the NFL for over a decade
February 9th, 2024 at 9:48 AM ^
Once again, he had talent in NY. The Giants had a losing record because their QBs got hurt and they had the worse OL in football.
He had an All Pro on the DL, Bobby Okereke is one of the better LBs in the league, Xavier McKinney is one of the better safeties in the league, Thibs had more sacks this year than most DLs have in Wink's defenses historically. Adoree Jackson is a solid corner, Tae Banks was solid for a rookie.
Talent wasn't the issue.
February 9th, 2024 at 10:00 AM ^
To play D for a Super Bowl winning coach, isn't what I'd call a zero for recruiting. There is a big draw, there. Not everything is just on charm.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:09 AM ^
I'm ignoring all complaints. The defense will not be the team's issue next year (provided the players stay). It (hopefully) stabilizes the defense short term, which is much, much needed.
I'm sorry that we lost the best DC in all of football. Anyone was going to be a step back. Same with HC.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:11 AM ^
Yeah, I seriously doubt any defense with Graham, Grant, Moore, Stewart, Hausmann, Johnson, Paige and Moore is going be bad.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:36 AM ^
I expect most - if not all - of those 8 players will be going pro after 2024. So continuity for this year is my biggest concern for the DC hire.
We had a generational defense in 2023. Top 2 this century according to S&P+. With Wink providing continuity and keeping all of our players out of the portal, I expect the drop off this year will be somewhere in the range of Top 3 in all of college football in 2024. Which should be enough to make the 12 team playoffs. The offense will determine if we are Big Ten champs or seeded somewhere between 5 and 11.
2025 will be a major reset for the defense.
if Wink is here for only one year, that’s fine! That’s great! Clink can learn for one more year and then be the full time DC. And by that time, there should be more analysts available from the Chargers, Seahawks, or Ravens that we can bring in to coach.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:17 AM ^
This. We will step back. We may go 9-3. Or D should still be good - likely not all time great, but very good. And this makes that continuity more likely
February 9th, 2024 at 9:09 AM ^
From this and from the roundtable podcast, this is a positive if you choose to believe the following:
Martindale's slip in performance came due to injuries in 2021 with Baltimore and the fact that the Giants suck. FWIW, just looking at the basic NFL stats, the Ravens allowed 6.1 yards a passing attempt or less from 2018 to 2020 and were in the top 6 all three years before slipping all the way to last and 7.6 in 2021.
He is here for a year or two and will groom someone - almost certainly Clinkscale - to run the defense once he's done.
He will basically be a head coach of the defense, which is a positive for a first time head coach because it delegates part of the job to a trusted advisor.
Michigan is going to fit in young, energetic recruiting types around him.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:19 AM ^
Yes, his assistants ran their own versions of his original scheme.
Suppose, just suppose, he has some conversations with Clink. He recognizes "his" defense with some twists and says "hmmm... I like it".
Any reason to believe that wouldn't be successful?
Also - maybe a short-term hire, but at this point, assembling a complete staff under a brand-new head coach, THIS year is the primary concern. Once things have settled in a bit, well, you have to replace a coach or two every year anyway.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:20 AM ^
I think this is a great hire. Clink gets to learn under the architect of the Ravens defense and take over in a year or two. This should also mean an easier transition to the new DC.
The Giants were a tire fire last year. Offense was next to last (Carolina) and Special Teams were near the bottom. The defense probably grades out better if the offense was semi-functional. I can't imagine MacDonald or Minter were here long enough to do significant recruiting so I'm not worried about the impact there. We still need to fill out the staff, but I think this move positions us well to have a top-5 defense again.
February 9th, 2024 at 11:05 AM ^
I doubt he stays once his personal goals are met. He is very good in a sea of mediocre.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:25 AM ^
Trying to project what Martindale is going to do this fall based on his recent NFL body of work is just ridiculous.
For one, it's a very different game with an inferior level of competition.
For another, he's going to have a better roster (vis-a-vis the competition) to work with.
Also, he's only going to have so many practice hours, I'm pretty sure he'll figure out that tapping into the existing knowledge the returning players have is a good idea. He's not going to reinvent the wheel.
He's a smart, very experienced defensive coach. He's not going to blindly run cover zero or cover one because he's a cover zero/one guy. He may well run relatively vanilla schemes when he can, just like Minter did last year, but that doesn't mean he's going to be Don Brown 2.0 against Ohio State.
It's reasonable to dislike the hire, but some of the hate is just silly.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:41 AM ^
That's all he has ever run, so why would he not do that now? If he wasn't willing to switch up in the NFL with more parity and coaching being a bigger deal, why would he switch it up in college where he probably thinks he's smarter than everyone in college too?
February 9th, 2024 at 9:58 AM ^
"That's all he has ever run" is bullshit. He's not Tenuta. If it was 15 years ago we'd be saying he's a standard 3-4 zone blitzer. What he developed in Baltimore is a hybridized modern version of the same.
February 9th, 2024 at 10:27 AM ^
lol. These fluffy counterfactual narratives are so funny
February 9th, 2024 at 10:32 AM ^
I'm pretty sure he'll figure out that tapping into the existing knowledge the returning players have is a good idea.
This is my hope. Like, tomorrow.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:39 AM ^
This is a bad hire.
He is another blitz heavy, man to man guy like Don Brown that OSU and probably even a Texas/USC will exploit. He was ok with the Giants and clearly had personality issues there with the whole trying to undermine the coach. He never tried to adapt or just change his style, he just committed more to his style even though it wasn't working.
He is not going to recruit, he's going to bring his position coaches in who were fired by the Giants and they'll leave in a year or 2 with him and they probably won't be very good recruiters either. I see more negatives than positives.
It says something when a NFL coach of 20 years, who wants to be in the NFL, cannot get a job in the NFL, especially with so many openings this year.
Yes he coached the Ravens, but MacDonald and Minter were clearly more innovative play callers and just better DCs at this point. I understand they worked for him at one point, but sometimes you just get old and people pass you by.
I don't think this year is going to go well and the defense will fall off to very good, but not elite and it'll show against OSU. The offense will be underwhelming and the defense will take a step back due to worse coaching. This has just been an absolute tire fire of an offseason.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:47 AM ^
Nobody knows exactly how this will go, but the consistency in system and buy-in from the players is huge (and seemingly a great sign).
February 9th, 2024 at 11:19 AM ^
If at first you get rebuffed because your concept is inaccurate, double down.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:43 AM ^
I asked ChatGPT4 what it thought of the hire, fwiw:
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Player Development: Martindale has a track record of developing talent and getting the best out of his players. If he can effectively implement his systems and philosophy at Michigan, we could see marked improvements in individual and unit performance.
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Scheme Adaptability: His defenses are known for being versatile and tough to predict. This adaptability could prove crucial in Big Ten play, where offenses vary widely in style and quality.
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Recruiting Impact: Martindale's reputation and NFL connections might also boost Michigan's defensive recruiting, potentially bringing in higher caliber athletes who fit his defensive schemes better.
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Big Ten Competition: The level of offensive play in the Big Ten will be a significant determinant of Michigan's defensive ranking. Martindale's ability to adjust and plan for high-powered offenses will be tested week in and week out.
(yes, #2 and #4 seem to contradict each other)
February 9th, 2024 at 9:44 AM ^
I'm sorry, but I am morally and legally obliged to root for a Trotwood-Madison guy who drove a truck.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:45 AM ^
I am not upset about this at all
February 9th, 2024 at 9:48 AM ^
Biggest wins accomplished by "timing" of the hire & "retaining our players" - and I'm just hoping that the latter stays true thru the relentless poaching attempts this offseason. Go Blue
February 9th, 2024 at 9:53 AM ^
Seems to have a great eye for great coaching talent and/or developing great coaching talent. And has experience for a staff that is generally lacking experience.
In addition to the scheme and player retention, this seems like a wise hire.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:57 AM ^
At this point, who knows? Don't love that he's 60 and probably won't recruit much, and I immediately made a therapy appointment when I saw his approach compared to Don Brown's. (THE SLANTS, THE SLANTS, SO MUCH BLOOD!!!)
On the other hand, he's an experienced guy with this defense, and sounds like he'll help us retain guys for next year and keep the same basic approach in the short term.
I just find myself not being able to get too upset about anything after going through the Bama UFR yesterday. Go Blue!
February 9th, 2024 at 10:08 AM ^
Run it like a Raven!
February 9th, 2024 at 10:12 AM ^
Your last couple sentences I think are what's most valuable for UM.
Sherrone will be here for a while. Even if he struggles at first he won't collapse, and UM will give him time to work it out (just like they did with Harbaugh).
In year 3 with Clink the DC and Sherrone and OC gelling, this team could be strategically really dangerous.
Sherrone has shown he's not only a great leader, he's a great offensive play caller and teacher. We'll never know the full balance between JH and SM for the offensive scheme, but the offense really developed when SM was promoted. It also happened to be when JJ arrived, so....
A young Clink learning how to addapt that system would be massive. He's a fast riser and absolutely loved by the players. Just like Sherrone Moore. I think we'll just have to ensure that Clink also trains his successor b/c UM DC won't be Clink's last position.
February 9th, 2024 at 10:18 AM ^
Clink has to be the understudy. He's been with MacDonald, Minter, and now, Martindale. He's officially been adopted into the Ravens' Amoeba warchest.
February 9th, 2024 at 11:08 AM ^
Part of the protoplasm
February 9th, 2024 at 10:24 AM ^
Great hire. Go Blue!
February 9th, 2024 at 10:28 AM ^
Being in the NFL for the last two decades probably means Martindale will be a downgrade from Minter in the strategic deployment of Michigan's Amoeba tricks, but I'm not convinced he runs a different system.
I read / hear this at times from Brian/Seth. There seems to be an implication that the NFL runs more simplistic stuff than college. That's the opposite of my understanding. Why would him being in the NFL be a downgrade in the deployment of Michigan's Amoeba tricks?
February 9th, 2024 at 10:44 AM ^
I should have been clearer about this. "Strategic" means when you bring out what. College is WAY more simplistic than the NFL. In the NFL everyone runs everything, everyone practices against everything, and the variations are degrees: are you running more pressures or simming pressure, which coverage are you getting in more often, etc. In college you run Cover 3 while dropping a DE every once in awhile and do something weird to address the one thing the other offense really does well. Everyone has to choose a major because you don't have time to learn more than one system well.
Minter was coming from being a college coordinator at Vandy for a year, and had a better understanding of the rate he should install his stuff, and when to pull it out. They were GREAT at deciding when to pull out a weird look, maximizing the value and never having to face the adjustment. They literally pulled out their best CB blitz on the last two plays of the season. In the NFL that play is on tape in Week 4.
I think Wink is going to need to adjust to college, like Macdonald did early in 2021. You have to pick and choose what you're teaching a lot more carefully, and know when to drop it for maximum effect, and in the meantime be ready for some weirdness like Rutgers going with a Noah Vedral Power Read for a drive when Kalel Mullings is locked on the field. Your pro linebackers will figure that shit out in a second. Your college linebackers have to be prepared.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:55 PM ^
Got it - thanks for the explanation!
In the NFL you can teach your players the 400-level course and use your specialty plays all the time because every game matters.
In college, you need to implement things at a 100-level and slowly mix in your advanced courses. Then you have to save your specialty plays for high leverage situations.
February 9th, 2024 at 10:54 AM ^
*looks at FB photo*
*blinks*
Are we sure we didn't just hire Craig Ross by mistake?
February 9th, 2024 at 10:58 AM ^
Ya seems like a tutorial for coach in waiting Clink from the same guy who mentored the past two DCs. 1-2 years sounds about right. Very logical hire.
February 9th, 2024 at 11:08 AM ^
Is Wink bringing his guy for LB coach? Did I miss that?
February 9th, 2024 at 12:30 PM ^
When Macdonald was hired people were on here whining about his lack of DC experience, when Minter was hired it was all about his time at Vandy and now when Wink is hired, who is responsible for a lot of those two guys’ success, people are on here calling him Don Brown and worried about recruiting. Michigan fans are not happy unless they are unhappy. For a first time head coach and primarily an offense guy, this is exactly the type you want steering the defense for a couple years while hopefully grooming Clink to take over.
February 9th, 2024 at 12:36 PM ^
Despite the naysayers, this is a very good hire.
-Continuity of system, even if the exact deployment of it may differ.
-A seasoned play caller on the defense that Moore won’t have to oversee at all.
-Was a mentor to two of Michigan’s best DCs this century, and hopefully will mentor Clinkscale to be his successor.
I would look at his lack of success at NY as a product of several things: Defensive roster makeup not in line with what he had at Baltimore(even with some defensive stars NY had), and the lack of even a decent offense that put the defense in bad position consistently. At Michigan he’ll have players who’ve been playing the system, including a very good collection of secondary players, the kind of linemen that would have been a luxury he didn’t have at Baltimore (talent vs talent) due to cap constraints, andwhat should be a somewhat decent offense that won’t hamstring the defense.
February 9th, 2024 at 12:52 PM ^
Yeah, I swear people assume him doing poorly with NYG is because he's a bad coach and not because they're coached by yet another failure from the Belichick tree who I'm fairly certain will be out the door this time next year.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:19 AM ^
My problem with his Giants tenure is being told by his head coach to do one thing, and just ignoring him and doing what he wanted.
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