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Wink Martindale Named Defensive Coordinator Comment Count

Seth February 9th, 2024 at 8:30 AM

First broken by Sam Webb, Michigan intends to hire Don "Wink" Martindale to replace Jesse Minter as defensive coordinator.

Wink was the defensive coordinator of the Ravens from 2018-'22, meaning he's the DC who developed the "Ravens" defense that Michigan's been running, and was the coordinator Mike Macdonald and Jesse Minter were reporting to before leaving for college jobs. Mac replaced Martindale in 2022, and Wink coached the New York Giants defense for the last two years.

If you're looking for a reason Michigan could pull a guy like Martindale out of the NFL now, the Ravens clearly chose to move on to Macdonald after 2021, and the Giants were 23rd and 30th in DVOA in the two seasons since, so the shine's come off. But he also checks the boxes that Sherrone Moore wanted for his DC hire, namely continuity, experience, and a big enough deal that the big deals on the roster don't get lured away by big deals in the portal.

If your goal for this hire was to get whomever Jesse Minter suggests, it's hard to do better than Minter's mentor. But of course we're Michigan fans flush from winning a national championship on the strength of the defense, so let's address the nits.

[After THE JUMP: Analysis.]

Can he coach a Ravens defense?

Well yeah it's his defense; Martindale was the Ravens defensive coordinator when they committed to running this stuff in 2018. Both Jesse Minter (analyst 2018, DBs 2019-'20) and Mike Macdonald (LBs 2018-'20, Wink's analyst before that) were assistants under Martindale, with Mac succeeding Martindale as both Ravens LBs coach and defensive coordinator. John Harbaugh and Martindale "mutually parted ways" after the 2021 season, and Wink went on to two rough years with the New York Giants that also ended mutually this offseason.

The Giants are so dysfunctional I can't contextualize anything that happened there, but you have to wonder if Wink was The Amoeba Guy why the Ravens were willing to lose him in 2022. The stated reason was Wink wanted to be a head coach.

Considering his replacement would succeed Pete Carroll in two years, that seems like spin. Baltimore fell from 6th to 20th in DVOA the year Martindale lost Macdonald, and returned to 5th their first year under Mac; they were 1st this season. Clearly Macdonald himself was a major part of the Ravens' success under Martindale, but the '21 Ravens were wracked by injuries, particularly in the secondary. It's pretty clear that Wink was due for a big new contract, and John Harbaugh realized he could get the same or better out of Macdonald for much less.

On the other hand, this is the guy who was the coordinator who came up with the system Michigan rode to a national championship with a pair of his assistants, one of whom is now an NFL head coach and another a coordinator. New Ravens DC Zach Orr was an undrafted free agent who played for Martindale from 2014-'16 then became an analyst under him in 2017-'20 before taking an assistant role with the Jags in 2021. If those guys were just running Wink's stuff I imagine the Ravens would have hired Wink back this offseason. But he's not "just another Ravens name" either.

Wink came up through or is one step removed from just about every major 3-4 school or NFL coach you can think of, working under Bob Davie, Rick Minter, and Mike Nolan. Former Baltimore DC Dean Pees connects him to the Saban/Belichik tree.

The "Amoeba" defense actually came out of cap considerations. Pass rushers were expensive, safeties were relatively cheap, and their data showed elite cornerbacks were essential. So the Ravens invested heavily in the secondary, going with smart linebackers until they could draft cheaper ones, and trusting a huge defensive line to mosh rush the quarterback instead of winning (expensive) 1-on-1 battles. It was their luck they developed Matt Judon into a guy who could do both.

Colin had a thread (referenced on our message board) that suggests Wink is much more of a Cover 1 and Cover 0 guy, whereas Minter and to a lesser degree Macdonald liked to use sim pressures and rotating coverages, IE the Amoeba stuff that gives the defense its flavor.

If you're lost on that chart, I think it means the Giants blitz the passing game like the Vikings, and Broncos. The Ravens influence is there in a lot of Cover 1 and Cover 3.

Ross Fulton went so far as to call Wink's defenses "Fangio-esque."

I'm not sure what they mean by that. Fangio's tree, as I understand it, shares the light boxes, off corners, wide standup edges, and disguised coverages with the Ravens, but the "system" is mostly based in two-high, specifically lots of Quarters and Cover 6. This worked a couple of times for Denver in slowing down Pat Mahomes, and has been getting eviscerated underneath ever since the scheme profligated to the Chargers (pre-Harbaugh), Seahawks (pre-Mac), Packers, Vikings, and Browns. Michigan bases out of Cover 3 with a lot of sim pressure, but Colin notes he thought Macdonald was a Don Brown guy when Michigan hired him initially, considering often the Ravens were running Cover 1 with five-man pressures in 2020. The supposition is that Martindale likes to run Cover 1 until he can run Cover 0, and Macdonald/Minter really spread their wings when they got to Ann Arbor.

If you're just comparing their NFL defenses, yeah, Wink is a lot more blitzy (that was kind of the point of spending all that cap space on ninjas in the secondary). I don't know if you can compare the two, however. Michigan spends long chunks of its season in a base Cover 3 and leans into the weird stuff for Ohio State and maybe a Washington on top of it. NFL teams play other NFL teams 16 times before the postseason. It's a much different level of exposure, and affords you a slower installation. Being in the NFL for the last two decades probably means Martindale will be a downgrade from Minter in the strategic deployment of Michigan's Amoeba tricks, but I'm not convinced he runs a different system. That would defeat the point.

Can he recruit or is he just an NFL lifer?

Wink somehow never overlapped with Greg Mattison despite coaching at a lot of the same stops, but he's got a profile very similar to Matty's when he returned to college. That is, Martindale's got a college background but has been in the NFL since 2004. Originally from Dayton—Trotwood-Madison in fact—Wink was a truck driver(!) for a year after college then went back to his school (Defiance) to be the defensive coordinator in 1986. He was a linebackers assistant at Notre Dame under Bob Davie in the mid-'90s under Rick Minter before joining Minter's staff at Cincinnati. Jack Harbaugh then hired Martindale to be the defensive coordinator at WKU from 1999-2003.

Wink's NFL career started with the Raiders, and two years later he joined the Bronco's for Mike Nolan's second stint in Denver. Nolan only lasted a year under Josh McDaniels, who promoted Wink to defensive coordinator in 2010. McDaniels was gone before the season ended and Wink was out of there with him. After a season off, John Harbaugh hired his dad's old assistant to be the new linebackers coach because Dean Pees was being promoted to DC. Pees kept the position until 2017 when Martindale in turn replaced him.

One important note: Via Sam on our podcast yesterday, Wink's was a name who moves the needle for keeping Michigan's defensive stars. The chances that everybody makes it the start of the season just went up substantially.

Staying power?

This is probably a short-term rental—two or three years—since Wink's been a successful pro DC and didn't come back to the college ranks for 20 years once he got his NFL shot. I haven't gotten into what was going on with the Giants, but this seems like a marriage of great convenience. Wink's a 60-year-old coach whose career was stalling out, and Michigan spent the last three years running his stuff with two of his guys who quickly became coaching darlings. Sherrone Moore missed out on Orr, seemed to be losing Cullen to Macdonald, and spent the last two weeks losing battles over assistants with his former boss.

To Sherrone Moore, this is a feature, not a bug. Moore is one of those young guys that Harbaugh brought on. Harbaugh had a ton of experience, and had his dad around. Jesse Minter's dad was around too. Sherrone explicitly wanted a more experienced coach for his DC, which means he was never going to hire a hot up-and-comer in his 30s.

Martindale probably isn't going to do a lot of recruiting, and if he beats Ohio State again and an NFL team wants him he's probably gone. Those are the downsides. The upshot is Michigan gets to keep running the Amoeba—now under the guy who invented it—and gets to keep telling players with NFL dreams that they've come to the school where that happens.

Ideally, Martindale gets to coach a loaded defense for a couple of years, and when he 's ready to go back to the pros Clinkscale's spent all that time in Wink's back pocket and is ready to run it like a Raven.

Comments

ShoelacesFlapp…

February 9th, 2024 at 8:39 AM ^

Absolute disaster of a hire.

1. Probably won’t recruit and won’t bring in an LB coach who can recruit.

2. Less schematic continuity than just hiring another Ravens guy would suggest. 

3. Runs Cover 1 and blitzes a lot (I wonder who that sounds like).

4. Steamrolled the last young, offense-minded head coach he worked with.

5. Even if he’s good, he’ll be back in the NFL in a year or two. 

shoes

February 9th, 2024 at 8:50 AM ^

I don't know why people take it as a given that he will "blitz too much." What is too much? pressure on the QB is the single biggest predictor of pass defense excellence. If you can generate adequate pressure from the front  or through occasional concealed blitz's , then that is preferable. If you can't then you have to try something else as opposed to just letting the QB sit back and pick you apart. Is there documented evidence that he has called blitz's even when his teams have had a good organic pass rush? I'm asking, I don't know the answer, just challenging the assumption.

schreibee

February 9th, 2024 at 3:16 PM ^

I will stipulate that Wink was probably about option #5 for DC. So to try to paint this as an unquestioned homerun hire is silly. But at this point, with option 3 or 4 Cullen likely passing as well, it is a great save! 

Shoelace, you've listed several reservations that make you call this hire a "disaster", but focusing on blitzing so much is just ignoring the D we beat bama & Washington with!

Barrett got a sack in each game I believe. Colson sacked Milroe too. Sainristil got multiple pressures if not sacks over the course of the osu game & playoffs.

So I think we're going to have to agree it's not the blitzing per se, it's the disguising of it that counts, right? 

I'd like to think Wink can learn from his mentees. We're gonna have to hope so, because the most in demand coaches are fleeing the college game right now. 

Spontaneous Co…

February 9th, 2024 at 2:58 PM ^

Agree 100%.  Is there evidence that he significantly misplayed the game with the specific strengths and weaknesses of the players he had?  Only if someone with knowledge tells me that he was doing "X" all of the time despite it being obvious that he should be doing "Y" would I be upset.  I am going to trust that the dude will be able to look at our talent, look at what we've been doing, and try to keep it going.  Who knows, maybe some tweaks will help keep our rivals from catching up to what we've been doing.

Dunder

February 9th, 2024 at 8:53 AM ^

On the other hand, were football coaches incapable of learning and growing from their mistakes, UM would not have had the glorious last three seasons. 

The harsh reality is, UM lost Harbaugh and many of his best assistants from a three time Big Ten title run that concluded with a national title. There is no hire that can satisfy us on paper, we'll just have to follow the ride that starts with spring practice for 2024. 

schreibee

February 9th, 2024 at 3:28 PM ^

Not true at all KBOLW. The best DCs & OCs want to move up to HC generally. Not all of them have all the requisite skills, or many just accept bad jobs for their 1st head role. I mean, not everyone can be George Seifert or Sherrone Moore on their 1st job, taking over the reigning champions!

But even great HCs have to move on from time to time. The players have heard enough from them. They need a new voice. 

In the current time period we're in, Bill Belichick & Pete Carroll just stepped away from their positions (or maybe were even fired!) . In the Bay Area we're watching one of the greatest coaches we've ever seen just seem to be losing his team's focus, in Steve Kerr. And Bruce Bochy had to step away from the team he led to 3 WS titles to get a fresh start with the Rangers, and now he's got another ring!

It's not that they were unwilling or unable to learn from "mistakes" - things just need change sometimes! 

4th phase

February 9th, 2024 at 11:38 AM ^

I don't think there are better hires. The staff that just won the championship was maybe the best ever assembled in the history of college football. From top to bottom, no weak links, elite at every position. 25 years from now there will be those pictures during a broadcast of the 2023 Michigan team with 10 guys circled who went on to be household names.

No matter how good any of these hires are, I can't get excited because I don't see how they can live up to the guys they are replacing. Wink would have to go out and have the number 1 defense in the country again.

But to be clear, I am not down on this hire. The paragraph I said I agree with just said we just have to enjoy the ride of the 2024 season, because there is no way to know how any of this will turn out.

massblue

February 9th, 2024 at 9:08 AM ^

You sound as if Moore was a potted plant during the interview.  Easy stuff that novices like you and the rest of us notice are very low-hanging fruits for Moore and Wink.  I believe that Moore has assurances from Wink that there will be continuity in the system.  Also, I believe Wink has come here to freshen up his resume and get back into the big league.  He is not stupid to set up a new system with some teenagers.  He has seen Minter and Mac's success and would certainly want some of that. 

Does he have the knowledge to run that system?  I think so.  Does he think the system will be successful?  I think so.  Maybe he came here to learn more about the system his assistants perfected.  Given the circumstances and the fact that every team is looking at the Ravens system and wants to hire from the tree, this is the best Moore could do at this moment.

Let's go, Wink.

 

KBLOW

February 9th, 2024 at 9:17 AM ^

I agree with you and if Wink (or anyone else) really wanted this job they're going to say or agree to almost anything. And not even out of deception. Martindale could most definitely want to do more of what Minter did, but when push comes to shove his lizard brain could easily go back to calling Cover 0 plays most of the time. 

The Blue Collar

February 9th, 2024 at 9:14 AM ^

I'm not in love with the hire, either, but I do see the benefits of hiring an "experienced" coach on a such a young staff. 

And of course he's going to leave, but he might have been brought on with exactly that in mind, to train up a "disciple" ala Minter/MacDonald and then split. 

The lack of recruiting (which we can't be 100 percent sure on, maybe he's an ace?) Os a concern, but if Moore installs a comprehensive recruiting department, maybe coaches can do a little more coaching and a little less recruiting anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Seth

February 9th, 2024 at 9:18 AM ^

1. Probably won't recruit, but I think the deal is he has to bring in an LB coach who's a rock star at it.

2. I just flatly disagree. People are taking Colin's thread to this conclusion without logic: It's Wink's own system. There's more continuity between Wink and Minter than there was between Mac and Minter. The Fangio stuff is B.S. Everyone says they're Fangio today; the people actually running Fangio are like 50% Cover 4 or Cover 6--that's more Macdonald than Martindale.

3. He ran more Cov1 and Cov0 in Baltimore because he had Marcus Peters, Marlon Humphrey and Jimmy Smith. The Giants had the worst field position in the league. You blitz more from your 40 because it's four-down territory, and a sack is the difference between getting scored on or not.

ALSO I expect Michigan to run more Zero and Cov1 this year anyways, because they have the best DTs in the country and the best CB in the country, and the best safeties in the country. Don Brown's problem wasn't running Cover 1 with five-man pressures; it was running Cover 1 with five-man pressures when his DTs could be single-blocked forever and Brandon Watson was the guy in man versus the next NFL rookie of the year.

4. Brian Daboll's mess is Brian Daboll's. Considering Daboll was hiring and firing defensive staff without even telling Martindale this sounds like the same kind of bullshit the 49ers were flinging at Harbaugh.

5. No argument.

jdemille9

February 9th, 2024 at 9:30 AM ^

I'll toss this in here from a 2019 article (that Seth probably linked before) about how the Ravens were building the defense, and re: his blitz-heavy schemes which have some of us (myself included) a tad concerned when we face teams like Texas and OSU. 

Of course, blitzing isn’t a foolproof method, and uncontrolled chaos is a recipe for disaster against NFL quarterbacks. But Baltimore’s strong secondary allows them to take more chances up front and it forces quarterbacks to get the ball out quickly against one of the best coverage units in the league.

We have some studs on the backend too, but we also have arguable the best DT combo in the nation so I'd venture to guess Wink won't feel the need to blitz as much since Graham and Grant can generate a great deal of organic pressure on their own. 

Still something to watch since he's an older NFL dude and we saw how ingrained Don Brown was in his system and refused to adapt. Only time will tell.

S.G. Rice

February 9th, 2024 at 9:35 AM ^

If hiring Martindale means that we don't lose any returning players to the portal, that counts as a huge recruiting win in my book, even if he never reels in a new commit.  It remains to be seen if the players really do see this hiring as a positive, but let's hope so. 

Since he's very likely going to be a short-timer (1-2 years) and has been out of college football forever, it's unrealistic and pointless to deploy him in a heavy recruiting role, he isn't going to have the relationships that drive so much of non-five star crooting.  So you have other assistants do most of that.  Martindale can still be an asset - having a successful NFL guy as your DC isn't nothing, it is absolutely something you can sell, even if you're honest with croots that he's not going to be around forever. 

blueheron

February 9th, 2024 at 10:27 AM ^

"If hiring Martindale means that we don't lose any returning players to the portal, that counts as a huge recruiting win in my book ..."

I'm in the same frame of mind. It would be a shame to see all the returning defensive talent scatter to the winds. It would also be unpleasant if the defense got changed so much that all the advantages of experienced players got squandered.

three_honks

February 9th, 2024 at 5:09 PM ^

Yes, if the current roster stays intact, I think Michigan at least makes the playoffs.  Further, its chances to repeat as B1G and National Champs are decent and possible, respectively.

We held PSU, OSU, Bama, and Washington to 15, 24, 20, and 13 this year.  I know a lot has to come together on offense, but those are the point totals I think it will have to score in big games to be competitive.  That defense will give Michigan a shot in every game.

Or maybe Will gets a pick six or Graham & Grant a scoop & score.