I agree seems like creating a lasting legacy as the greatest coach at Michigan is worth it. I don’t necessarily think being the best coach at the next level is better than being the best coach at college. Is belicheck regarded higher than Saban? You don’t really think so, but reasonable people may disagree.
another question might be would 3 Nattys at Michigan and another 10 years of dominance, be better than 1 championship at Michigan and 1 Super Bowl.
The OSU answer isn’t wrong but the PSU game started out bad on the road the week after the MSU game seemed to indicate we were capped at 2nd or 3rd best in the division. Winning that close game on the road was when I started to believe, but yes I was still nervous until the very end of the OSU game.
Our offense will control the ball and drag them up and down the field. When they are behind Penix will force the issue against a defense trying to take away the big play. Its a recipe for disaster for Washington. GO Blue.
I will take Eric All over Schoon. Also i want 2021 Blake with a good ankle over 2023 Blake. Hoping he is looks more like that Blake against Alabama, and I think there is reason to believe that is likely.
Whats worse is that if Alabama had lost and not pulled off the miracle against Auburn, but had still beaten Georgia. What would have happened in my opinion is:
1. Michigan
2. Washington
3. Georgia
4. Florida State
Look at this ranking, 12-1 Georgia would be 3 here and above Florida state even though that is the same record as what happened in reality. And Florida state is rated higher than Texas in this hypothetical. Because Texas Beat Alabama the buck stopped with Florida State instead of Texas. They had the rankings set up so that they could leave Texas out but when Alabama won they had to drop Florida state. They tried to hide their intentions but this made it abundantly clear that teh SEC was getting in no matter what and they would fit the teams around it to do it.
And they are marketing in other cities, Detroit, Grand Rapids, I am told in any area they get at least 30ppl they will send one. Hoping some more Grand Rapids Natives sign up!
As an aside, the way people reacted to my CFB nerd post reminded me of RCMB. I get it I thought they were utterly ridiculous for saying what they said. They were at best incredibly ignorant and at worst purposely bias against UM and or BIG. But they have also admitted when they were wrong before, and I think it’s important to listen to other perspectives even ones you don’t agree with.
I think it’s a little extreme to say never click on them again and not let people post on it.
So when they say; Ono refused to suspend harbaugh or does that mean they asked UM to do it on their own, they refused and now we wait to see if the BIG will do it themselves? Is this like a thing that woulD happen by game time or not at all?
So when they say; Ono refused to suspend harbaugh or does that mean they asked UM to do it on their own, they refused and now we wait to see if the BIG will do it themselves? Is this like a thing that woulD happen by game time or not at all?
I dont want to be a buzz kill, i cant stand Day, and this news seems like a positive. However ultimately isnt the veracity of the claims against us more important than the methods? In other words how can this change the equation in our favor if OSU went in the worst case to illegal means to get the dirt? I mean NCAA isnt a legal proceeding right? There are not discovery laws that would render teh evidence meaningless are there?
I see and understand all of that. I see 11.6.1.2 that talks about video within rule 11.6 (2013 version). Are there any other statements about video that I am missing? That seems small. And I understand the argument that this constitutes video being treated as something different, however I was wondering if there was more?
I have some questions about your post and extensive back and forth about the by laws in the 2013 version vs the current one.
I see the part about post season video in the 11.6.1.2 rule. Are there other sections you are referring to when you say they treat video and scouting as different? Or is on the strength of the fact that they draw a distinction only here?
Also, what do you think of the counter argument that them omitting the injunction on 3rd party video while in the explanation saying its widely available supports it not being allowed? IN other words yes its wildly available so no one should need to go take video?
I am shocked that there is not more attention being paid to the fact that according to the by laws this whole 'scheme' may not be illegal. It was in fact this blog including Seth that have laid this all out.
yes, commitcrimes.docx is hilarious but we shouldnt be taking for granted that this IS in fact against NCAA rules. OSU and their investigation firm thinking that all of this circumstantial evidence has us dead to rights and letting it out slowly could ultimately culminate in Michigan didnt do anythign wrong. Meanwhile we are all taking it as a foregone conclusion that we broke rules and hoping for a light punishment. The process hasnt even started and we actually dont know how this will be ejudicated if it even is. I am not even sure it would be right to call it a loophole. Sending people to record videos instead of coaches yes that would be a loophole. But, the fact that the exclusion of 3rd party video was removed from the by laws, in 2013, makes this not a loop hole. its simply not an injunction on that activity.
First of all this is really informative and it makes sense that this distinction is significant, so thank you. However there is one piece that doesn't fit to me. As you put it they have the statement in the explanatory notes about video being readily available. However that is an explanation for them removing the statement that says scouting and only scouting. So wouldn't that mean they are using them interchangeably?
Am I missing something or does the post that explains the NCAA by laws in more detail, seem to show that what is being alleged is simply not a rules violation?
3rd party in person scouting is allowed. And the rule excluding the ability to tape is for people on the field and affiliated with the program.
As crazy as it is this seems like the reality. So even us talking about how they should have known what Stallions was doing, or how can you be so stupid to buy tickets, or speculation on how the NCAA may hold coaches accountable even though the didn't know. Isn't that all cart before the horse?
As it was outlined in a punt counterpoint some years ago, despite people saying this kind of thing, the better team has pretty much always won this game. And when MSU had beaten us in years where we think we should have won, both teams were good.
2016 we were huge favorites and inwas frustrated it wasn’t the blowout we will likely see Saturday. But despite garbage time scores, #winwithdignity, we still won handily.
2020 is the one key exception where we were 20+ point favorites and lost. But that was the Covid year and well it just doesn’t count in terms of this idea that they have any chance Saturday.
Has anyone else not gotten their HTTV magazine yet? I thought Seth said they would ship the week before last, but I never got mine. I don’t know how to track it either, took a look at underground printing and it didn’t seem like there was a way…..
I am looking for Purdue @ Michigan Tickets Saturday November 4th 2023! Have a large group going so i would take up to 8 tickets. Looking for lower than row 60. Wish we still had the excel sheet......But yes everyone wins when we sell here, we get GoBlue fans without 3rd part fees.
There were designs on a site or app to facilitate this... did that happen?
So i was re watching the OSU game during my lunch break today, and i realized something. Mullings never put his mouth pc in before the trick play HB pass, haha. Hope he cleans that up this off season. Self scout is important
Continuing to add more data is what has gotten chat GPT to the point it can write papers but it It’s not about data.
what’s striking to me is that delete having so much data it’s still not aware. That’s the thing that would be truly scary. It’s not conscious.
I’ve always been a determinist and thought consciousness was computational. I am starting to not think that’s the case. To me this adds to the mystery of consciousness and supports the hypothesis that AI as currently constructed will be a tool we yield like internet of the 90s and robots and self driving cars of more recent times.
Yes there will be disruptions, but in general it makes society more productive and a rising tide raises all boats.
Did anyone see Terrance Williams and Jett Howard having an exchange near the end of the game and Williams kept the ball to get fouled instead of passing it to Jett who clearly thought he should have, presumably because he is the better FT shooter? I saw Terrance mouth “what the Fu*&, is he talking about?” Seemed kind of hostile… didn’t seem like good team chemistry. Like I know guys give each other a hard time but this didn’t seem within the context of comradery….
Mack Brown, Mark Stoops, are the only names that really seem exciting to me, and by exciting I mean I would be generally optimistic. I would definitley rather have a Jim Harbaugh who has decided to stick with michigan and decides he doesnt want to make the transition to the NFL.
How do people feel about PJ Fleck. I am still impressed with him and what he has done at Minnesota. I think with Michigan talent he could be very good. thoughts?
Yes love the posts. Wanted to actually do this one! Noticed many of your recipes have bitters. On this particular recipe have any substitution ideas when leaving out bitters, or think it works well without?
Also what did Mel say to the fan doesn't that as Michigan fans isn't that the question we should be asking, instead of immediately removing the person from the premises?
Also, there is a difference between never doing something and doing it less than you would otherwise. I agree that there is some cost to not playing every game like it is the superbowl, even though they claim thats how they treat it, I observe them doing it from an effort and preparation standpoint not from a strategic standpoint. Where is the correct mix, I dont know. One measure though is that you are able to hold a lot back and still get to the game 11-0. They have done that, so really we should be very happy, provided there is some 2017 OSU Game scheming combined with our now on par talent.
I do think they have 8-12 pass plays that have been repped a lot that JJ loves and is comfortable with that are specifically for OSU. I also think that they have counters to all of the things defenses have shown success with against us this year. I was super confident that UM was going to win this game and it has only reduced due to the fact I am not sure about Corum, he seems fine, but what makes him great is that last 5% of wiggle and shiftiness that he has. Thats why elite RBs in the NFL turn into pumpkins when they are 28. Its hardly noticable. Pressure on Stroud truly is going to decide this game.
Why do teams always shoot the bball out of their ass against Michigan? I mean the obvious answer is defense but these are bad shots. And this happened even when we had great defensive teams….. think UCLA a few years ago in the tourney..
If it’s something that gets this many comments it’s worth a board post. People are so annoying with their sentiments about what is and isn’t a board post. Just because some people don’t have thoughts on it doesn’t mean others don’t. I figured there’s not much there but when I saw the post I was curious to see what people were saying. Even if there isn’t much news it’s good to see it come up and confirm there isn’t anything.
UMgoBlue11, here's a question about eh offense. The lack of a QB run game has been discussed here quite a bit. In particular the fact that we run zone read where much of the time the QB is NOT a threat to run it. The defenses at times cheat this known fact and it makes our offense one dimensional. When JJ is in there he did tend to run it more. And at times yes they have capitalized on this tendency of defenses to gamble. Shea's key runs against Wisconsin and MSU come to mind. However I still think this is part of what keeps this offense from going next level.
What is your take on how much of that was having Cade on the field instead of JJ? How much will this change without Gattis? And, what if any key differences do you expect to see offensively after Gattis? Was the move back to power running the last couple years JH taking some of the offense over?
On defense what do you know of the actually quite long list of guys from which we hope a couple of DL/DEs emerge?:
The reason isn’t because people don’t want to go. In fact this has come up many times before on the board, many times in a similar but different context; why can’t I buy tickets on secondary market when the seats are all empty?
the answer is because season ticket holders aren’t showing up. Many times because they decide late that they can’t or won’t make it. It would be nice if there was an instantaneous electronic way to buy ans sell these tickets.
I think it’s because most people actually agree on this. I think the side of this perspective that it’s “discrimination” to say it’s unfair to women to have a biological man compete if against women is a more fringe group than on many other polarizing topics.
I think of myself progressive and yet think it’s obvious that men and women are different, the science is in, and therefore it’s just not going to be fair to have biological men competing against women, albeit with hormone therapy.
(Testosterone In vitro is what has the largest effects)
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2016 for sure
I agree seems like creating a lasting legacy as the greatest coach at Michigan is worth it. I don’t necessarily think being the best coach at the next level is better than being the best coach at college. Is belicheck regarded higher than Saban? You don’t really think so, but reasonable people may disagree.
another question might be would 3 Nattys at Michigan and another 10 years of dominance, be better than 1 championship at Michigan and 1 Super Bowl.
The OSU answer isn’t wrong but the PSU game started out bad on the road the week after the MSU game seemed to indicate we were capped at 2nd or 3rd best in the division. Winning that close game on the road was when I started to believe, but yes I was still nervous until the very end of the OSU game.
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Our offense will control the ball and drag them up and down the field. When they are behind Penix will force the issue against a defense trying to take away the big play. Its a recipe for disaster for Washington. GO Blue.
No just going by mostly box scores. I might run back through it and do it by downs, and also track Play action. would have to use UFR to do that.
Meant to add this to the analysis. Its a comparison to what was shown in the HTTV article.
I will take Eric All over Schoon. Also i want 2021 Blake with a good ankle over 2023 Blake. Hoping he is looks more like that Blake against Alabama, and I think there is reason to believe that is likely.
Whats worse is that if Alabama had lost and not pulled off the miracle against Auburn, but had still beaten Georgia. What would have happened in my opinion is:
1. Michigan
2. Washington
3. Georgia
4. Florida State
Look at this ranking, 12-1 Georgia would be 3 here and above Florida state even though that is the same record as what happened in reality. And Florida state is rated higher than Texas in this hypothetical. Because Texas Beat Alabama the buck stopped with Florida State instead of Texas. They had the rankings set up so that they could leave Texas out but when Alabama won they had to drop Florida state. They tried to hide their intentions but this made it abundantly clear that teh SEC was getting in no matter what and they would fit the teams around it to do it.
Seems like this was who Sam was talking about on podcast with MgoBlog today?
1. CJ for the long one down the sideline changed the game
2. Sainristil PBU (4 point play)
3. Hutch 1st sack to force FG(4 point play)
4. Will Johnson INT (game)
5. JJ keeper into the end zone, that’s the element we’d been missing. (4point play)
And they are marketing in other cities, Detroit, Grand Rapids, I am told in any area they get at least 30ppl they will send one. Hoping some more Grand Rapids Natives sign up!
This is a great idea. Anyone going from Grand Rapids?
Broken fibula, out 6-8 weeks as of 2wks ago. Likely not gonna play.
As an aside, the way people reacted to my CFB nerd post reminded me of RCMB. I get it I thought they were utterly ridiculous for saying what they said. They were at best incredibly ignorant and at worst purposely bias against UM and or BIG. But they have also admitted when they were wrong before, and I think it’s important to listen to other perspectives even ones you don’t agree with.
I think it’s a little extreme to say never click on them again and not let people post on it.
Is the tailgate on Hoover still a thing? Other public tailgates to walk up and buy a beer? It’s nicer out than I thought!
So when they say; Ono refused to suspend harbaugh or does that mean they asked UM to do it on their own, they refused and now we wait to see if the BIG will do it themselves? Is this like a thing that woulD happen by game time or not at all?
So when they say; Ono refused to suspend harbaugh or does that mean they asked UM to do it on their own, they refused and now we wait to see if the BIG will do it themselves? Is this like a thing that woulD happen by game time or not at all?
I dont want to be a buzz kill, i cant stand Day, and this news seems like a positive. However ultimately isnt the veracity of the claims against us more important than the methods? In other words how can this change the equation in our favor if OSU went in the worst case to illegal means to get the dirt? I mean NCAA isnt a legal proceeding right? There are not discovery laws that would render teh evidence meaningless are there?
I see and understand all of that. I see 11.6.1.2 that talks about video within rule 11.6 (2013 version). Are there any other statements about video that I am missing? That seems small. And I understand the argument that this constitutes video being treated as something different, however I was wondering if there was more?
I have some questions about your post and extensive back and forth about the by laws in the 2013 version vs the current one.
I see the part about post season video in the 11.6.1.2 rule. Are there other sections you are referring to when you say they treat video and scouting as different? Or is on the strength of the fact that they draw a distinction only here?
Also, what do you think of the counter argument that them omitting the injunction on 3rd party video while in the explanation saying its widely available supports it not being allowed? IN other words yes its wildly available so no one should need to go take video?
I am shocked that there is not more attention being paid to the fact that according to the by laws this whole 'scheme' may not be illegal. It was in fact this blog including Seth that have laid this all out.
yes, commitcrimes.docx is hilarious but we shouldnt be taking for granted that this IS in fact against NCAA rules. OSU and their investigation firm thinking that all of this circumstantial evidence has us dead to rights and letting it out slowly could ultimately culminate in Michigan didnt do anythign wrong. Meanwhile we are all taking it as a foregone conclusion that we broke rules and hoping for a light punishment. The process hasnt even started and we actually dont know how this will be ejudicated if it even is. I am not even sure it would be right to call it a loophole. Sending people to record videos instead of coaches yes that would be a loophole. But, the fact that the exclusion of 3rd party video was removed from the by laws, in 2013, makes this not a loop hole. its simply not an injunction on that activity.
I actually think that is what happened. It would explain everything. It was also render this response by everyone ridiculous.
First of all this is really informative and it makes sense that this distinction is significant, so thank you. However there is one piece that doesn't fit to me. As you put it they have the statement in the explanatory notes about video being readily available. However that is an explanation for them removing the statement that says scouting and only scouting. So wouldn't that mean they are using them interchangeably?
or was there a larger scope to the changes?
Am I missing something or does the post that explains the NCAA by laws in more detail, seem to show that what is being alleged is simply not a rules violation?
3rd party in person scouting is allowed. And the rule excluding the ability to tape is for people on the field and affiliated with the program.
As crazy as it is this seems like the reality. So even us talking about how they should have known what Stallions was doing, or how can you be so stupid to buy tickets, or speculation on how the NCAA may hold coaches accountable even though the didn't know. Isn't that all cart before the horse?
As it was outlined in a punt counterpoint some years ago, despite people saying this kind of thing, the better team has pretty much always won this game. And when MSU had beaten us in years where we think we should have won, both teams were good.
2016 we were huge favorites and inwas frustrated it wasn’t the blowout we will likely see Saturday. But despite garbage time scores, #winwithdignity, we still won handily.
2020 is the one key exception where we were 20+ point favorites and lost. But that was the Covid year and well it just doesn’t count in terms of this idea that they have any chance Saturday.
52-3 Michigan.
Thanks!
Has anyone else not gotten their HTTV magazine yet? I thought Seth said they would ship the week before last, but I never got mine. I don’t know how to track it either, took a look at underground printing and it didn’t seem like there was a way…..
Anyone have some information?
I am looking for Purdue @ Michigan Tickets Saturday November 4th 2023! Have a large group going so i would take up to 8 tickets. Looking for lower than row 60. Wish we still had the excel sheet......But yes everyone wins when we sell here, we get GoBlue fans without 3rd part fees.
There were designs on a site or app to facilitate this... did that happen?
So i was re watching the OSU game during my lunch break today, and i realized something. Mullings never put his mouth pc in before the trick play HB pass, haha. Hope he cleans that up this off season. Self scout is important
Continuing to add more data is what has gotten chat GPT to the point it can write papers but it It’s not about data.
what’s striking to me is that delete having so much data it’s still not aware. That’s the thing that would be truly scary. It’s not conscious.
I’ve always been a determinist and thought consciousness was computational. I am starting to not think that’s the case. To me this adds to the mystery of consciousness and supports the hypothesis that AI as currently constructed will be a tool we yield like internet of the 90s and robots and self driving cars of more recent times.
Yes there will be disruptions, but in general it makes society more productive and a rising tide raises all boats.
Did anyone see Terrance Williams and Jett Howard having an exchange near the end of the game and Williams kept the ball to get fouled instead of passing it to Jett who clearly thought he should have, presumably because he is the better FT shooter? I saw Terrance mouth “what the Fu*&, is he talking about?” Seemed kind of hostile… didn’t seem like good team chemistry. Like I know guys give each other a hard time but this didn’t seem within the context of comradery….
Mack Brown, Mark Stoops, are the only names that really seem exciting to me, and by exciting I mean I would be generally optimistic. I would definitley rather have a Jim Harbaugh who has decided to stick with michigan and decides he doesnt want to make the transition to the NFL.
How do people feel about PJ Fleck. I am still impressed with him and what he has done at Minnesota. I think with Michigan talent he could be very good. thoughts?
Yes love the posts. Wanted to actually do this one! Noticed many of your recipes have bitters. On this particular recipe have any substitution ideas when leaving out bitters, or think it works well without?
thanks
nope, at least not yet.
Also what did Mel say to the fan doesn't that as Michigan fans isn't that the question we should be asking, instead of immediately removing the person from the premises?
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Someone saw him in a cast?
roman Wilson caught two TD passes against Penn state with a club on his hand last year.
none if we lose....
When did MSU start a season 11-0? Or am I misinterpreting that sentence?
Also, there is a difference between never doing something and doing it less than you would otherwise. I agree that there is some cost to not playing every game like it is the superbowl, even though they claim thats how they treat it, I observe them doing it from an effort and preparation standpoint not from a strategic standpoint. Where is the correct mix, I dont know. One measure though is that you are able to hold a lot back and still get to the game 11-0. They have done that, so really we should be very happy, provided there is some 2017 OSU Game scheming combined with our now on par talent.
I do think they have 8-12 pass plays that have been repped a lot that JJ loves and is comfortable with that are specifically for OSU. I also think that they have counters to all of the things defenses have shown success with against us this year. I was super confident that UM was going to win this game and it has only reduced due to the fact I am not sure about Corum, he seems fine, but what makes him great is that last 5% of wiggle and shiftiness that he has. Thats why elite RBs in the NFL turn into pumpkins when they are 28. Its hardly noticable. Pressure on Stroud truly is going to decide this game.
Also aren't we due for a +3 TO game, one time?
Why do teams always shoot the bball out of their ass against Michigan? I mean the obvious answer is defense but these are bad shots. And this happened even when we had great defensive teams….. think UCLA a few years ago in the tourney..
If it’s something that gets this many comments it’s worth a board post. People are so annoying with their sentiments about what is and isn’t a board post. Just because some people don’t have thoughts on it doesn’t mean others don’t. I figured there’s not much there but when I saw the post I was curious to see what people were saying. Even if there isn’t much news it’s good to see it come up and confirm there isn’t anything.
Omg there it is!!!
I noticed him doing that as well! haha such a tough guy
So we should only share stuff we agree with or endorse? Posting this doesn’t promote him, it spreads the word he is a weenie…
I can’t believe “we should stop scheduling msu” is a favorable post over just reporting the hubris of msu, as ridiculous as it may be.
You missed Hassan Haskins
UMgoBlue11, here's a question about eh offense. The lack of a QB run game has been discussed here quite a bit. In particular the fact that we run zone read where much of the time the QB is NOT a threat to run it. The defenses at times cheat this known fact and it makes our offense one dimensional. When JJ is in there he did tend to run it more. And at times yes they have capitalized on this tendency of defenses to gamble. Shea's key runs against Wisconsin and MSU come to mind. However I still think this is part of what keeps this offense from going next level.
What is your take on how much of that was having Cade on the field instead of JJ? How much will this change without Gattis? And, what if any key differences do you expect to see offensively after Gattis? Was the move back to power running the last couple years JH taking some of the offense over?
On defense what do you know of the actually quite long list of guys from which we hope a couple of DL/DEs emerge?:
Guy, Bennett, Mcgregor, Newburg, Rooks, Harell, Welschoff?
I am 37 years old so a little young to remember let alone cherish the '97 season. Here are my top 5:
5: OSU @ UM 2011 - Also great live experience.
4: IOWA Vs UM 2021 BIG championship - Just because of the stakes.
3: ND @ UM 2011 The come back, i was there. Best live experience I have had.
2: UM @ MSU - "Peoples Jones...."
1: OSU @ UM 2021
The reason isn’t because people don’t want to go. In fact this has come up many times before on the board, many times in a similar but different context; why can’t I buy tickets on secondary market when the seats are all empty?
the answer is because season ticket holders aren’t showing up. Many times because they decide late that they can’t or won’t make it. It would be nice if there was an instantaneous electronic way to buy ans sell these tickets.
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I think it’s because most people actually agree on this. I think the side of this perspective that it’s “discrimination” to say it’s unfair to women to have a biological man compete if against women is a more fringe group than on many other polarizing topics.
I think of myself progressive and yet think it’s obvious that men and women are different, the science is in, and therefore it’s just not going to be fair to have biological men competing against women, albeit with hormone therapy.
(Testosterone In vitro is what has the largest effects)