[Patrick Barron]

Signgate The Third Comment Count

Brian October 26th, 2023 at 2:06 PM

UFR tomorrow or Monday; bye week and there's been all… this.

The latest article. Washington Post article. New points of information:

  • An "outside investigative firm" approached the NCAA with "documents and videos the firm said it had obtained from computer drives maintained and accessed by multiple Michigan coaches."
  • The sources for this claim "spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about an ongoing NCAA investigation," which cool NCAA, just keep doing this.
  • A "detailed schedule" of Stalions's plans was submitted with an annual cost of 15k.

Plenty of vague words the article, particularly "a computer drive maintained and accessed by Stalions as well as several other Michigan assistants and coaches." Unless an outside investigative firm was happy to take a case founded on hacking into Michigan servers, here is what this means, in all likelihood:

  • One of Stalions's recruits flipped on him.
  • He/she provided a link to a Google Drive or equivalent.
  • That's where the documents came from.

So yet another piece of evidence that indicates Stalions is an idiot: he gave virtually unknown strangers access to his CommitCrimes.docx.

This article does clarify some things. One: the steady drip, drip, drip of one story after another that barely changes the overall picture is indeed the work of a firm hired to damage Michigan's reputation as badly as possible. Michigan is executing exactly zero PR in response.

One thing it does not clarify is what the nature of the "drive" is, a detail seemingly left blank intentionally to let people fill in the worst case scenario. "A computer drive maintained and accessed by Stalions as well as several other Michigan assistants and coaches" could be Jesse Minter reading CommitCrimes.docx and giving his enthusiastic approval, or it could be just another folder on a cloud drive that no one else goes into.

I could even assert that Stalions might have password protected his portion of the drive, or limited access, but no, that doesn't appear to be how this guy rolls. 

I do think this might end up being wrong. I can't imagine Michigan has an internal shared drive that Stalions could give someone else permission to access, especially after the Michigan IT disaster this August. I mean, I guess I can because WHY NOT but surely at some point we will throw a stone and hit a reasonably professional individual. If this was a stand-alone google drive anyone inside the program who accessed it will be turbo-fired. 

[After THE JUMP: oh good a manifesto]

Another latest article. SI, Richard Johnson. This one is sourced from "a then student at a Power 5 school who was looking to break into the college football industry" who texted back-and-forth with Stalions. Most of it is just the kind of stuff a mid-20s dude trying to impress someone would say(“I’m close with the whole staff", etc.) The two main bits of interest are thus. One:

“Pre-covid, stole opponent signals during the week watching tv copies then flew to the game and stood next to [then Michigan offensive coordinator Josh] Gattis and told him what coverage/pressure he was gettin,” Stalions continued.

This is doesn't excuse the hiring folks to watch games bits, but does provide some explanation about how Stalions managed to worm his way into the athletic department. The guy probably had some natural talent for figuring these things out.

Two:

Stalions, now 28, revealed that he was part of a small group of people—two of whom he said were at low-level positions on different college football coaching staffs—who were putting their heads together on a long-term plan to run the Michigan football program. Stalions claimed to have a Google document between 550 and 600 pages long that he managed daily, containing a blueprint for the Wolverines’ future. He referred the document as a movement more than a plan, dubbing it “the Michigan Manifesto.”

“Any idea you could ever have,” he wrote, “there’s a place where it belongs in the document. It’s super organized.”

Ah. So it's one of those guys. This bit makes me feel much—much—better about the idea Stalions was calling his own number, unencumbered by the idea anything he was doing was wrong. He is a lunatic.

What the hell, Warde? Obviously Jim Harbaugh should not be hiring lunatics off the street. But he is Jim Harbaugh, a supremely talented football coach who does things like hire lunatics off the street, or Shemy Shembechler. What in God's name is Warde Manuel doing? You are seriously not vetting Harbaugh's hires after the Shemy incident? The constant stream of embarrassing but ultimately inconsequential news is one thing. This is another. 

This should be the end of his tenure as athletic director. Job one is fix all the shit Harbaugh's going to blow past. Job one. 

What about the money? The Post article cites that spreadsheet claiming that the operation was going to cost 15k a year. This naturally leads to questions about where that money is coming from for a guy who makes 55k a year. I have one dollar that answer is "mom and dad."

Sideline passes are hard to come by.

Meanwhile 95% of the time there's an article in the newspaper about how This 25 Year Old Bought A House In A City there's a paragraph that says "mom and dad are loaded." A lot of Stalions backstory makes more sense in that context. My dude can drive back to Ann Arbor when Navy is on the road because he doesn't have to care about money. Devin Gardner remembered him as the guy at every road game:

Gardner was at Michigan from 2010-14. Stalions would have been 15-19 in that span. One doesn't show up at every Michigan road game for a period of four-five years as a teenager unless your parents are well off. There is literally a post on MGoBlog from 2012 in which a "cstalionsuofm" says Frank Clark gave him his gloves. I don't think Stalions was saying "hello dad I need money for Crimes"; I do think it's likely the prospect of a parental backstop is all but mandatory if you're going to live your life like Stalions apparently was.

Noise. If you've been on Twitter the past week you've probably noticed various Ohio State fans breathlessly relating facts like "Stalions stood next to the defensive coordinator" and "Michigan knew a pass was coming on third and goal from the four and then gave up a touchdown." All of this is meaningless. Yes, obviously Stalions was the sign-stealing guy. Therefore he got put next to the people who wanted to know about signs. You're allowed to steal signs. All that matters is Stalions going outside the bounds of the rules to steal said signs. Not one thing an OSU fan has posted is evidence of anything other than Stalions being the sign-stealing guy, which no one denies.

Silver lining. Hoo boy, some of these quotes coming out make OSU's program sound dumber than dirt:

You mean to tell me that you thought Michigan had your signs in 2021 and didn't have a plan for 2022? That you were caught off guard for the freakin' Game? That you couldn't just use wristbands? At some point it's on you, right?

Also, obligatory:

Comments

Ballislife

October 26th, 2023 at 2:16 PM ^

If this was a stand-alone google drive anyone inside the program who accessed it will be turbo-fired. 

This part has me the most concerned, because I wholeheartedly agree that is the appropriate result, regardless of who on the team it is. Beyond that, I'm blasé to the whole thing just because of the sheer amount of board posts on the topic. At the end of the day, we just have to let the cards fall as they may. However, that doesn't mean I think Michigan should take this all laying down. I'm just as surprised as many that there hasn't been any counter-PR.

mgoja

October 26th, 2023 at 2:54 PM ^

Unable to comment on the content of the investigation or all aspects of the investigation?  Seems to me that there's plenty that could and should be said about how the investigation has been conducted so far. 

If the rules that have been put in place are there to put guardrails around how teams from NCAA member institutions compete against each other, then the goal of any investigation should be to restore/maintain those guardrails.  Creating a media circus doesn't help and instead gets in the way.

fatpete

October 26th, 2023 at 6:12 PM ^

REALLY want to know who this independent "Investigative Firm" is.  Who hired them and their legitimacy. Who at the NCAA is giving them credence and by what standards?

Do we actually know it is a firm hired by Ryan Day? Or is this just speculation? I certainly would not doubt it because he's butthurt from losing 2 years in a row. 

If it was, then the NCAA should consider the source as nefarious - at the least.

MGolem

October 26th, 2023 at 4:07 PM ^

I debated writing this but why not, everyone else is spouting off: my boy (we have known each other since kindergarten) has a son who is friend's with Jim's son Jack. The two boys were apparently traveling to a birthday party within the past couple of days and my friend's son asked Jack about the sign stealing stuff. Jack apparently said Jim first learned about the whole ordeal while watching TV, as in the breaking news report, was informing him. This jives with what Sam Webb said regarding the coaches being blindsided by the allegations. 

AWAS

October 26th, 2023 at 2:40 PM ^

Stalions was trained in counterintelligence.  No way he leaves that Google drive wide open.  The turncoat who provided the passwords and data likely only had a small slice of the big picture.  This is Opsec 101 stuff.  Failure to compartment the information would be the most basic of errors.  Not saying it isn't possible, just not likely. 

 

Carpetbagger

October 26th, 2023 at 3:10 PM ^

Actually, the one thing I've learned through this whole process is that I was absolutely right to keep paying in cash for all these Venmo things. I just pretend I've never heard of Venmo and ask if they take cash.

You can see people's transactions online? Wait what? How is that EVER ok.

Carpetbagger

October 26th, 2023 at 3:40 PM ^

It shouldn't even be an option. The default should be that every system in the entire world forgets the transaction happened immediately after it settles. You should be able to opt in to getting a summary you have to provide at least credit card login minimum information to access.

This isn't a credit card where you have to settle 25 days post an arbitrary date. It's a cash replacement. My cash doesn't announce via social media when it leaves my wallet. It does cry a little but that's expected.

Anything outside of that is ridiculous.

Some of these companies are bound and determined to turn into one of those off-the-grid loonies.

grumbler

October 26th, 2023 at 5:25 PM ^

One of the secrets wo security work is to only protects those things needing protection.  Stalions didn't feel the need to try to be all spy vs spy with the ticket purchases because they were above-board and perfectly legit.  If he attended a game, that's what would need protecting.

BlowGoo

October 26th, 2023 at 3:06 PM ^

Stallons was a lunatic superfan.

Once he was hired, his looneyisms could potentially get misconstrued as being officially part of the program, including his googledrive fanifesto.

So even though the "offense" deserves to be in quotes as it is mostly hot air, the dilemma is, if this guy was a whack job, why hire him? And if he wasn't a whack job, then the fanifesto is part of the Program? And how long was he with the program before the program figured any of this out (if it did)?

goblu330

October 26th, 2023 at 3:10 PM ^

He volunteered for the team before he was hired.  I am guessing he got a couple of calls right and people then started saying "go find the guy who knows the stuff, the beard guy" and eventually they just hired him as an analyst.  His background check would have been squeaky clean.  A military man.

Chaz_Smash

October 27th, 2023 at 10:39 AM ^

On other sites, he's been portrayed as sort of a rising star, who would sometimes take recruits and their families on tours and answer questions about NIL or whatever. Apparently, he was very good at that part. Between that and his military background, the staff must have believed he was uniquely prepared to steal signs off TV feeds

schreibee

October 27th, 2023 at 2:42 PM ^

Sloppy? If he'd been found out using subterfuge then there might be real trouble. 

It appears to me he found a loophole in the rule (the people that attended games weren't "staff") and wanted to be sure no attempt at concealing the strategy had been made.

Now was this person with an enthusiasm for Michigan football unknown to mankind a wise hire? 

I'll leave that for the shrinks & lawyers to debate 🤷‍♂️

kalamazoo

October 26th, 2023 at 7:58 PM ^

Some people just have misplaced confidence. Being in the military humbles some but makes guys like Stalions brag. If you saw his LinkedIn it was clearly bragging. He's got clear hubris. Wanted to take over a program? Michigan Manifesto? C'mon...

This guy was a loose cannon, mistake waiting to happen, riding coat tails until he could be on top.

Someone should have gotten pissed at his hubris and got him the f out of the program. It's easy to speculate that he was too good even if you didn't see his hard drive.

 

Phaedrus

October 27th, 2023 at 12:41 AM ^

When guys that young work in "counterintelligence," they're usually doing some mind-numbingly easy work that requires little, if any, expertise. Basically, they're sifting through crap they don't really understand, looking to flag things for people who will understand if it's relevant or not, who then pass it on to real experts to analyze.

Just look at that kid who gave all those documents to his Discord buddies. These aren't necessarily positions reserved for the best and brightest.

MGlobules

October 26th, 2023 at 6:08 PM ^

That's my thought--Day thought he'd get out in front of this by leaking now; doing it a week before The Game would have looked a little suspect. But this isn't working out, either. Michigan kills OSU with a month to change its signs? The laughter will be heard around the country. Non-trivial chance that Ryan Day comes out of this hanging onto his job by a spider's filament.

yossarians tree

October 27th, 2023 at 11:21 AM ^

Still boggles my mind that the NCAA can investigate you based on any allegation from an outside source or without revealing a reason, leak unsubstantiated accusations to the press, and put a gag order on you until they are ready to present you with evidence, having spent months trashing your reputation. And then when they find nothing they just shrug and say, "Oh hey, sorry. Your university president signed on for this."