JUB: Contract talks with Harbaugh are at an impasse over "what should be covered by immunity"

Submitted by FrankMurphy on January 16th, 2024 at 1:53 AM

Presumably, Bacon is referring to disagreements over the the types of adverse NCAA findings that would entitle the University to fire Harbaugh for cause or perhaps withhold certain incentives.

Take it FWIW. I don't think any of the insiders has had a great track record lately, so 'no one knows anything until we all know something' is probably not a bad rule to live by. Having said that, John U. Bacon is among the few journalists whose reporting is worth paying attention to.

https://twitter.com/Johnubacon/status/1747092593358606467?t=j9N-fdmqJ_r…

bcnihao

January 16th, 2024 at 7:34 AM ^

"From Harbaugh's perspective, the school has already suspended him for the cheeseburger incident (i.e. the university believes Harbaugh committed some NCAA violation). "

Or maybe Harbaugh recognizes that the school knows the NCAA can be rather capricious, and the school self-imposed a penalty because the school then was able to choose having him miss 3 games that the team would win regardless of whether he was on the sideline for those game days.

GLORY

January 16th, 2024 at 5:09 AM ^

The ball is in Harbaugh's court, and it has been for quite some time. 

It's on Michigan.  Harbaugh has the leverage as he should.  He's won 3 BIGs and a Natty and clearly sees an organization that's been proven to be wildly irrational and wants protection against it.  Given NFL opportunities, he's not signing a contract that could potentially terminate his current employment, if the NCAA throws the book at him.  And, he's seemingly disclosed everything, thus the university has some basis in calculating the risk.  At this point, I have to believe the university is not comfortable embracing his requests, hence the stalemate.  It's on the university to make concessions or he's gone.

Hensons Mobile…

January 16th, 2024 at 7:52 AM ^

Harbaugh does have the leverage. Harbaugh is happy to go to the NFL. Maybe it's even his preference.

By making a demand that no sane athletic department in the world would agree to, he is able to keep Michigan on ice while he takes his time to find and consider his NFL options.

If Michigan actually relented, he might sign it. Although my guess is he would just let it sit there until he's done exploring the NFL. But this way he's able to convince himself (and a large portion of this fanbase) that Warde Manuel is the problem.

And you're right that Harbaugh is not interested in entering a contract that puts him at the mercy of the NCAA's irrational and vindictive decision making. That just makes this call that much easier for him in preferring the NFL.

If he gets an NFL offer he likes, he goes. If he doesn't, he goes back to the table with Michigan and gives a little bit, which he's probably loathe to do. He's probably convinced that he'll find an NFL job and he's probably right.

True Blue Grit

January 16th, 2024 at 7:55 AM ^

To be fair, it's a classic impasse with both sides having a position they feel strongly about.  Whether one is right or wrong is irrelevant.  Just like blaming one side or the other for the stalemate is irrelevant.  What IS relevant is that they need to reach some kind of compromise agreement that is acceptable to both sides.

gbdub

January 16th, 2024 at 10:02 AM ^

I mean you can say that, but it’s not like Michigan will, or should, risk a death penalty situation to keep trotting out Harbaugh if he gets a yearlong suspension. 

They should fight it, but they should not commit program suicide to protect one man. 

The Oracle 2

January 16th, 2024 at 7:22 AM ^

Harbaugh will not and should not sign a deal that financially paralyzes him in the very likely event that the NCAA, whose animus towards him has already been clearly demonstrated, chooses to amplify some other innocuous violation into something major. If the university sees it like you do, it’s probably best that they and Harbaugh part ways.

highlow

January 16th, 2024 at 7:45 AM ^

I think people are remarkably blase about how easy it would be to have JH away from the program for a year or two.  Having "shadow coach" just outside the facility will make management impossible.  Who's in charge if Moore and Harbaugh disagree?  (Easy to imagine camps of "Moore" and "Harbaugh" people.)  If we need to hire an assistant, who signs off?  If you're an assistant looking to get hired, why would you go to a place where the guy who hires you is getting demoted in a year?  

And when JH comes back: what if JH has a few rough games?  People will start clamoring for Moore and the way it was.  Or, the more positive spin: what if the program is firing on all cylinders with Moore and people don't want to upset the applecart by demoting him in favor of a guy who's been tending chickens for two years? This is classic palace coup stuff.  It's terrible juju.    

LeCheezus

January 16th, 2024 at 7:01 AM ^

I wouldn’t read too much into that.  You’re talking about entities that just intentionally took a stand on Michigan on back to back games so they could fleece the public.  Probably decided they could make a fortune on Michigan fans emotionally hedging the move to the Chargers.

ThadMattasagoblin

January 16th, 2024 at 2:49 AM ^

Seems as dumb as the "Harbaugh can't talk to any NFL team in 2024" clause that was supposedly in there last month. Just make the contract appealing to him and put burgers and signs under immunity. 

uminks

January 16th, 2024 at 4:29 AM ^

I just wish our University would standup to the bully NCAA. SEC schools have done much worse and thy have told the NCAA to go fuck off. NCAA only picks on schools that will agree to their punishment and they usually punish these schools severely.

Blinkin

January 16th, 2024 at 6:16 AM ^

And ultimately both sides (Michigan and Harbaugh) have reasonable positions. Harbaugh has every right to want assurances, while Michigan has every right to want escape clauses.  The NCAA is the unreasonable actor here, but we can't wish them into being reasonable. 

Amazinblu

January 16th, 2024 at 6:14 AM ^

^^^^^. This… The NCAA is judge, jury, and executioner.

I’m pretty sure the issue isn’t with “US Criminal” statutes - about conduct.   Criminal codes are clear.   It’s what the NCAA might invent that is concerning.

Is something an L1 or L2 infraction?   The NCAA will tell you later.  The NCAA and B1G guidelines, By-Laws, rules, etc. - are very subjective.   So, if they say you broke the rule.. they don’t really have to prove anything - you broke the rule.

What was the recruiting violation?   Did Jim not remember something - or enough detail - to the NCAA’s liking?   How about advance scouting?  What rule is alleged to have been broken?   Is it a staff member’s recording something?   Or, a private citizen participating?   Or - something in between?  Was any rule broken?   If so, which rule?

$800K for an OV is fine.  Prospects arriving at signing / commitment ceremonies in a Lamborghini is becoming commonplace in the SEC - that’s fine.   Tampering with players not in the portal is just “being thoughtful and sharing friendly ideas.”   Pay for play… no problem.

Let’s be honest - the issue is Jim threatens a lot of entities.   We all know the reason - revenue sharing.

Hopefully, the attorneys can figure out something that’s mutually agreeable.

crg

January 16th, 2024 at 8:57 AM ^

It has to be more than just "revenue sharing"... the ncaa has been going after Harbaugh since the satellite camp days (2016 maybe?), which was long before Harbaugh ever said a word publicly about revenue sharing (and many other coaches are almost as vocal about it - Harbaugh really became the prominent coaching voice in the last year or two).

Amazinblu

January 16th, 2024 at 10:11 AM ^

Harbaugh wants an equitable playing field - and, as we’ve seen - the NCAA bows down to the SEC.

Satellite camps started it.  But, I believe revenue sharing is a much bigger deal.  Why?  It’s dollars.  Jim has said - “I’ll take less so the players get something.”

Think of the repercussions.  If Jim can drive a “players get a share of the media agreement” solution - then every team in a conference I’d going to have to belly up to the bar and do something similar.  That will impact (at least) every other P4 team - and coaches across the P4 conferences - how many of them will be happy to give some of their salary to players?

I like Jim - his candor and approach.   More than one entity has noted him as a target, IMO.

mackbru

January 16th, 2024 at 4:44 AM ^

Maybe. I just have a feeling this is Harbaugh’s camp buying time for him to interview with the NFL by refusing to budge on contractual demands that are maybe beyond where university lawyers and brass would ever be willing to go for anyone — the total immunity thing

 

If he goes to the NFL, I doubt it will he because M didn’t offer a great contract. They seem willing to offer him the moon. And if Harbaugh doesn’t get an NFL offer, I bet he agrees to M’s offer. 

M-Dog

January 16th, 2024 at 4:45 AM ^

The NCAA is coming to get Harbaugh.  They just changed their coach suspension rules so that the coach can not be with the team during the week.  It is not just an in-game suspension anymore.  That is a direct reaction to Harbaugh's suspensions this season, and how they did not materially handcuff Michigan.

They want to "Death Penalty" Jim Harbaugh as a viable college coach.

And they have the power to do it, because there is no real due process with them.  Rules and punishments are loosely defined (or made up on the spot under some vague "sportsmanship" umbrella).  If they want to, they can ban Harbaugh for a cheeseburger while ignoring other coaches blatant NIL inducements and Portal tampering.  And they want to.

Hence Michigan's problem.  They know there is a crash coming.  They cannot afford to pay for a full season or more and not have him be able to coach.  They would also then need to pay another coach to take his place. 

They can't commit to that level of immunity.

The NCAA has made Harbaugh untouchable, as per their plan.

mackbru

January 16th, 2024 at 4:52 AM ^

Nonsense. The NCAA chief has already tipped his hand by voluntarily saying M won fair and square. Whatever additional penalties come, they won’t be killer. Nobody gets the death penalty. He may get a few games added to his suspension and probation. But nothing horrible. 

Amazinblu

January 16th, 2024 at 6:20 AM ^

Name one other visible / influential person in college athletics that advocates revenue sharing with players louder than Harbaugh.

If Harbaugh says “X%” of media contracts should go to the players - what will the result be?

It won’t only effect Michigan and its players / media agreements.   Every other P4 program will need to do something similar to “keep up”.

crg

January 16th, 2024 at 9:54 AM ^

"Louder than Harbaugh"?  Not many - maybe Deion Sanders or Chip Kelly?

Yet most coaches are now paying a minimum lip service to revenue sharing (since they can all see this is going to happen in some way).

Yet Harbaugh seems to be the only one drawing such ire from the ncaa... and this has been for years.

Amazinblu

January 16th, 2024 at 10:18 AM ^

I’ve heard Kelly’s remarks about revenue sharing - but, haven’t heard Deion’s comments.  Deion may have said things - I just haven’t read / heard them.

This being said - Harbaugh is the poster child for revenue sharing with players.  He’s been proactive and vocal in every forum where the topic has come up.  In the “day after” the NC presser - it came up  again (IIRC) - and, part of Jim’s comment after a question whether he’d be willing to put something like that together and work with the NCAA was.. “Yes, I’d be happy to meet with anyone.  I think they have my number.”

maquih

January 16th, 2024 at 5:29 AM ^

Bro he just won the National Championship.  We can absolutely afford to give Harbaugh a Sabbatical and let Sherrone Moore do HC duties for a year.  

What is this nonsense about affording anything? The moneys there obviously, it's not going to disappear if Harbaugh gets suspended.

JHumich

January 16th, 2024 at 4:46 AM ^

Immunity? It should contain an apology for already having preemptively punished him for things he should have been immune to.

Anything short of a convicted crime, he should be immune to. 

bcnihao

January 16th, 2024 at 7:45 AM ^

Tucker wasn't convicted of a crime, but he was appropriately fired by MSU.  For UM and Harbaugh, resolving the competing interests and reducing that resolution to writing isn't nearly as simple as just saying "can be fired only in the event of a criminal conviction."

blueball97

January 16th, 2024 at 5:05 AM ^

if the head coach is the fall guy for punishing Michigan, isn’t any head coach getting suspended? or is the NCAA dropping its investigation, and any punishment, if Harbaugh leaves? Also is it more likely to vacate wins if Harbaugh leaves because there is no one to punish? finally, is UM better keeping Harbaugh or letting him walk? gone for a year with pay or gone for forever?