JUB: Contract talks with Harbaugh are at an impasse over "what should be covered by immunity"

Meanwhile, the gym is open and there's plenty of work to be done. 

Staying tuned is about the last thing we all need to do.

Harbaugh has given the University the best 3 year run of football in the school's history.  I hope they don't screw this up.  That being said, I'm not buying the whole contract argument.  I think coach has to decide if he wants to scratch his NFL itch or not.  

NCAA president says Michigan earned football national title 'fair and square'. There is nothing that Michigan needs to hide from. They won it all and Harbaugh is largely responsible for it. Nobody will take it away. I am watching Michigan fuck this contract extension up in slow motion.

I am confident they've made him a more than fair offer 

I think it’s very simple: NFL is where JH wants to go. If he is offered HC job for team he likes to join he is gone.

No wonder M recruiting has been terrible these past few years.

Michigan cannot actually believe Harbaugh will sign this contract knowing the University can fire him for cause depending on this and possibly any future investigations, and enforce Harbaugh not to look for NFL jobs while at Michigan.  Michigan should know it's not about the money, but that seems to be the only thing in this contract that everyone else would take except for Harbaugh.

I am irritated with Harbaugh's constant and yearly interest in an NFL job, but this contract is not fair to him in what he wants the most.  

If they would witch hunt for this bs than they would abuse anybody whose our coach and we know where we stand. Who’s going to be better under those conditions? Get’er done!

What part of F*CK the NCAA, do we not understand? Harbaugh's vision for College Football will ultimately wreck the current system (NCAA/cheater schools). Are you onboard with that or not?

So again,  nothing new here! JUB is tiresome. He said it himself. “Nobody knows anything” and yet he keeps trying to provide “updates” to make himself relevant… Talk about a nothing-burger!

So he’s lurker on here and just repeating what he reads? Thanks. 

I don’t see any issue with providing immunity for the issues that we already know about. If the university isn’t willing to do that, then shame on them. 

But I wouldn’t blame them for not wanting to provide blanket protection against all issues that may arise in the future as a result of Sign-Gate. Who knows what’s still left to uncover. 

I am really convinced the more time I spend here that this fansbase isn’t as smart as it thinks it is and that a sizable portion of the posters are children pretending to be adults. 

Being suspended 6 games is something I'd not want to revisit.  

This contract has been floating around for months now, even before sign gate, and we’ve all heard Harbaugh wants to stay and he’s going to sign! And yet, here he is interviewing for NFL jobs. 
Harbaugh either gets a gig he wants in the nfl at which point he’s gone, and was always going to go anyways - or he doesn’t and somehow the contract details work themselves out. 
All this warde teeth gnashing - it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with Harbaugh wanting to go back to the nfl, which he has made clear every off season for the last three years. 

I'm growing tired of bacon 🥓

I am glad, I suppose, that the NCAA didn't rush their investigation and penalties so that we could get through the season and only had to deal with (ugh) the idiot conference.

But we had heard they had promised to go super duper fast and would have this done in December. If they had done that, then Michigan and Harbaugh would be working with knowns from the NCAA. Gee, that would be pretty helpful.

Thanks NCAA!

Unless it's outright cheating in the game of football, nothing should cause an impasse.  

Also, not hating on JUB here, but yet again this is not news. Sam and JUB (and probably others) have been saying for weeks this was the sticking point, although when we just discussed this the other day a lot of you acted like it might not be the issue.

I assume, despite what JUB says, that Harbaugh is not going to sign a contract while he's actively considering moving back to the NFL. If he decides to come back, he'll sign a new contract. If he decides he wants one more shot at winning the Super Bowl, he's not going to sign with Michigan. 

No?

Given the NCAA’s recent track record of getting laughed out of court rooms, I think it makes sense to adopt a more aggressive strategy regarding things like, expecting to be able to keep Harbaugh even if the NCAA brings the hammer. Our overall strategy as an AD, at this point, should adopt an assumption that everything the NCAA rules is tenuous at best and can/should be challenged vigorously. Anything less reeks of incompetence.

How do we go from literally 3 days ago Warde promising the fan base that he's working toward getting our coach a new contract to now we're at an impasse?

Are we sure Harbaugh isn't just buying time weighing his options? 

If we can have Harbaugh for life, the AD should be doing what it takes to get Harbaugh for life.  AD's are a dime a dozen.  Harbaugh is one of a kind and also happens to be perfect for us and has been more or less UM's savior.  What are we doing here?

This is exactly what i've been saying for weeks, and it is entirely reasonably on Jim's part. yet we have people saying the lawyers won't let Mich do that, or its's all or nothing either you have to give him immunity for Mel Tucker type actions  or Lord knows what, or nothing at all. That was never the case- you can craft it so that it applies to the two current NCAA matters and what Jim has already been fully forthcoming about, turning over all cell phone and computer files. If you don't trust that Jim is telling the truth or you're "tired of the drama" and want to move on from the guy who is 89-25 with the first 3 straight outright BT titles at Mich since the 1940's, and the Big 10's first ever 15-0 National championship team- then fine that's your choice, but that's not where I'm at.

If we blow this, then I'll support whomever the next coach is, but I'll still be p---ed about it.

We live with this every year because we have the only college head coach who is a proven winner in the NFL.  Saban couldn't do it.  If Pete Carroll went back to coaching at the college level, that school would have the same problem.

Other schools have to worry about their coaches leaving for other college jobs.  We don't with JH.  We would have that issue with Moore.  What if his alma mater, oil-rich Oklahoma, came calling?  Or any other $EC school backed up their Brinks truck to whatever other coach we had?  Witness Washington.  Remember: Texas A&M came after Bo, and he used it as leverage with UM.  JH is using the only leverage he has: the NFL.

We also live with the B1G & NCAA vendettas against UM, & separately JH.  The former for their historic "holier than thou" attitude, plus throwing their weight around in the Yost era - no kidding, the hate goes back that far.  The latter for his advocacy & innovation in trying to undermine the unfair, rigged establishment (exploiting athletes, false amateurism, regional bias).

Other fanbases have neither of these problems.

Neither JH nor UM want to be over a barrel due to these self-serving institutions that are judge, jury, & executioner, who hate them both, & seem to be able to pass ex-post-facto rules.  No wonder both JH & UM are paranoid.

It will be a shame if the B1G & NCAA have their way and destroy our potential dynasty (which is what we have if there's a 10-year contract signed).  I wish JH & UM would jointly display this attitude: "WE won't let these creeps ruin OUR relationship".  I also wished for a national title this year.

Couldn't part of the problem be, if they were to grant the football coach such immunity, might it not open themselves up to charges of hypocrisy or suits by other former university employees who were dismissed for violating some rule or another?

Feels like this, not Harbaugh wanting to leave and try to win a Super Bowl, is what pushes him out the door. Sad.

Other programs give kids fake classes or no classes, are involved in FBI investigations, have vehicular manslaughter and nothing happens. Harbaugh buys a kid a cheeseburger during the dead period and talks about revenue sharing and then the B1G suspends him based on "information found to be credible" while the rest of the league was a bunch of whiny bitches brandishing pitch forks. And now NCAA is likely gonna come down with the hammer and we're gonna lose our coach because of it. 

Fuck. 

Perhaps an alternative approach would be for the University to define "just cause" and not simply default to NCAA and Big10 rules.  I understand that the NCAA rules employ the "captain of the ship" standard which essentially holds the head coach responsible for everything that goes on within the program regardless of whether or not they were aware of the transgressions.  The University does not need to adopt that standard for its definition of "just cause" and could instead provide that it would be required that coach had actual knowledge or should have have had knowledge.