Dodd: B1G And SEC Expected To Flex For More Power In CFP Meeting Tomorrow
Per Dennis Dodd at CBS Sports:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/heres-what-big-ten-sec-…
Key Points:
Multiple Guaranteed Playoff Bids & Structure
"Up for discussion will be the overall number of playoff teams with Big Ten commissioner Tony Petitti favoring 16 instead of 12, according to multiple reports. No matter the bracket size, Wednesday looms as the start of a showdown with the Big Ten and SEC perhaps ready to flex their might.
Three sources told CBS Sports this week that they "wouldn't be surprised" if the two conferences demand/propose to receive multiple guaranteed playoff bids annually."
Governance And Weighted Voting
"Beginning in 2026, it's almost certain there will be a weighted voting structure. And it's almost certain that the Big Ten and SEC will seek weighted voting that exceeds even that wielded by Power Four conference peers, the ACC and Big 12."
Tiered Revenue Distribution
The Power Five conferences currently receive approximately $80 million each from the CFP simply for being the Power Five. That distribution has been adjusted going forward with each Power Five school receiving approximately $5 million each. That weighs the distributions based on conference size, ensuring universities receive appropriately even pieces of the pie.
The Big Ten and SEC are unlikely to be amenable to that structure remaining in place. Don't be surprised if those conferences are at the forefront of seeking a multi-tiered revenue distribution within the playoff system. That could be structured as such:
- Top tier: Big Ten, SEC
- Second tier: ACC, Big 12
- Third tier: Mountain West, American
- Fourth tier: Conference USA, MAC, Sun Belt
February 20th, 2024 at 9:35 PM ^
Well he helped run Harbaugh out of town and is busy getting bjs from Warde. And although he couldn't keep Michigan from winning a nc, he's doing the bidding of the rest of the conference which hates us. Seems like he's taken to the roll well. We just hate him because he's a piece of shit.
February 21st, 2024 at 12:05 AM ^
Hmm, BJs from Warde. Warde is a big fella.
Remember that 70's tv show, BJ and the Bear? That was good.
February 20th, 2024 at 9:44 PM ^
The SEC needs the B1G…they bring the rest of the country into play.
February 20th, 2024 at 9:47 PM ^
I mean, some will accuse me of exaggerating, but I'll just say it ------- all of this B1G and SEC "working together" and carving up the other conferences really does have a "Germans and Soviets agreeing in 1939 to split up Poland" feel to it.
We'll just take over all of college football! To hell with whoever we're over-running! And, yeah, this will last forever, what could go wrong?
February 20th, 2024 at 10:02 PM ^
I'm going to have to call a 15 yard penalty for excessive hyperbole on this one. Good lord!
February 20th, 2024 at 10:06 PM ^
Oddly, I like this analogy. But I love me a good WWII flick.
Assuming the US and UK never existed, the pact between Germany and the Soviets would have gone swimmingly, had they agreed to simply get along. So which country is the B1G in this scenario?
February 20th, 2024 at 10:25 PM ^
Yeah --- there is no 1939-era US or UK in this scenario (though I'd argue the Pac-12 could have been, had they had their shit together. Instead ....... well, I guess they were instead 1939-era France).
On second thought, the board game Diplomacy is a better example here. For the sake of the Diplomacy analogy (if you know the game, it's a GREAT board game), we'll pretend England doesn't care at all about Continental affairs, and is entirely neutral to it all*.
The B1G is Russia. The SEC is a German-Austrian alliance. The Pac-12 was France (RIP). The Big XII is Italy (they exist, but they rarely win in Diplomacy). And the ACC is Turkey, Russia's "southeastern" neighbor.
And in Diplomacy a "Russia-Turkey pact/alliance" is very powerful. It is literally called the "Juggernaut", and can theoretically sweep westward and overwhelm Germany & Austria simply due to sheer numbers.
UNLESS ........ they get caught up sniping with each other over the valuable Black Sea regions. Which often happens in the board game. I guess in this analogy, UNC & Virginia are the valuable "Black Sea" regions.
I fear that Petitti is going to "trust" Germany and Austria too much, start sniping with the ACC over the "Black Sea", and then as a result of that bickering get eventually overwhelmed himself by those guys to the west (in the board game)/south (in real life).
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* Actually, there is an equivalent to England. Notre Dame! Fu fu, we're a neutral-independent and above all this, we'll do our OWN thing. Until ...... oh crap, the whole continent is now one singular power and aligned against us, and we can't call our own shot anymore!
February 20th, 2024 at 11:13 PM ^
Well! That's some food for thought!
February 20th, 2024 at 11:53 PM ^
No. Don't encourage this.
February 21st, 2024 at 12:24 PM ^
Geographically, the B1G essentially has a "pincer" type movement around the SEC - with pressure from the west and the north. The SEC is just that - South Eastern - a quadrant of the US geography. Now, what kind of force / pressure can be applied to that quadrant?
My guess - Petitti will do nothing. He'll succumb to the direction that Sankey (SEC) and Hancock (Oklahoma grad - with Big 8 history) insist on.
Unequal revenue sharing - which, in a way, is already part of the model will be interesting. The "unequal" reflects the payouts conferences are scheduled to receive based on which teams play in each round of the 12 (and eventually - 16) team playoff. Specifically, teams in the first and second round - earn $4M for their conferences for each game they play in - while teams in the semifinals and final earn $6M for their conferences for each game they play in.
So - a G5 that loses in the 5 through 12 round brings in $4M for their conference. A 5 though 12 seed that reaches the final will bring in $20M for their conference.
It's about nothing but Benjamins.
February 21st, 2024 at 1:31 PM ^
True, but the question is, when will the SEC invade Russia?
February 21st, 2024 at 2:27 PM ^
The analogy is fine.
But fortunately it's just college football, not WWII.
Stop pretending some historical era of college football can be preserved. What are you trying to protect at this point? The old conferences? You're too late.
February 21st, 2024 at 12:01 AM ^
The SEC is playing chess. Adding Texas and Oklahoma is a power move and a paradigm shifter. Big Ten casting aside the last shred of Midwestern identity to saddle themselves with UCLA football and whatever becomes of Oregon post-Phil Knight is checkers.
UT starts pulling some threads with Michigan and Ohio State. Notre Dame jumps in the lifeboat. Not hard to see one super league assembling pretty quickly.
And this Michigan man will not shed a tear.
February 21st, 2024 at 6:28 AM ^
Not so sure about that. The SEC is pretty much locked into the southeast portion of the country. The B1G footprint is coast to coast. Additionally, the B1G worked their broadcast rights through Fox, CBS and NBC while the SEC is locked into ABC and ESPN. The B1G can provide compelling games at 12 - 3:30 and 8 which have regional interest across the country. If anything, the B1G is playing chess, and the SEC is playing checkers.
Sidenote - The SEC has been able to convince most everyone that it simply 'means more' because Nick Saban and Alabama won a lot. Now that Saban has retired, is Alabama going to have that same shine? Oh, Bama will still be a blue blood program but with the portal and NIL Bama may experience some 3 and 4 loss seasons. If and when the ACC begins to crack, who will that benefit more, the SEC or B1G? Sure, the SEC could expand into the North Carolina but the B1G could increase their footprint into Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina and so on, right into the heart of the south.
February 21st, 2024 at 10:53 AM ^
You gotta stop thinking about regions as fandoms, and start thinking of them as TV markets.
Adding UCLA and USC is absolutely huge, regardless of how the teams perform. If you read the Athletic article on the creation of the BigTen network, you'd have seen that as much as the Rutgers addition watered down the on-field product, it absolutely increased the BigTen's revenue by multiples by adding the NYC TV market. Even if no one actually cared about Rutgers in NYC, it increased the carrier fees by ~7x. By contrast, adding a storied program like Nebraska did jack shit for money, because it added one of the smallest markets in the midwest.
So the SEC adding Texas. Huge. Adding Oklahoma city, huge from a historical standpoint, not so much from a TV and revenue standpoint.
So this whole, SEC is playing 3D chess argument doesn't hold water. The SEC may be dominant on the field, but the BigTen holds all the biggest TV markets outside of Atlanta.
February 20th, 2024 at 9:09 PM ^
late stage capitalism and zero sum game theory have always threatened cfb, but it looks like they've won. I don't want to be too chicken little about it but the avarice of these conferences and AD's fighting over mounds of cash while refusing to pay the players directly is a bit much for me.
February 20th, 2024 at 9:28 PM ^
I actually think that they are blowing everything up for revenue because they know at some point soon they will have to pay the players. Need the extra revenue to pay the talent.
February 20th, 2024 at 9:12 PM ^
Big ten and sec would have to work together to win here imo
Either one independently could be told to go home
February 20th, 2024 at 9:31 PM ^
I read in another article that if the CFP goes to sixteen teams, the B1G and SEC will be pushing for FOUR automatic qualifiers apiece.
FOUR!!! A team doesn't even have to meaningfully content for the conference title at that point - they're still getting an automatic bid to the national playoffs!!!
And that's just the automatic bids --- the 5th and 6th place teams will, no doubt, be in the discussion for at-large spots in many years.
These idiots who are running things are going to completely trash the meaningfulness of the regular season, just so they can make some more $$$ at the back end. Barf.
February 20th, 2024 at 11:05 PM ^
^This. Hence why it will no longer credibly be a national championship but more of an exhibition tournament championship comprised of major brand name programs that the players will eventually decide to sit out of, just like they do at today’s bowl games. P-Titti Ana his minions are once again too clever by half.
February 21st, 2024 at 8:16 AM ^
Somewhere, I saw that about 1/3 of all college football fans are B1G. And another 1/3 is SEC. And all the remaining teams make up about 1/3.
If the Big Ten isn’t getting about 1/3 of the CFP revenue, then they are leaving money on the table.
Therefore, if we are talking about automatic bids, The B1G should insist on four bids in a 12 team playoff.
The SEC on the other hand, probably likes their chances of getting 4-6 teams every year if there are no AQs, and having an opportunity to get more than 1/3 of the CFP pot.
February 21st, 2024 at 12:20 PM ^
+1 for Cliffy
February 20th, 2024 at 9:32 PM ^
I wonder who the new CFP head is thats gonna get railroaded by the B1G and SEC....?
February 20th, 2024 at 9:34 PM ^
Leaked footage of Petitti preparing for tomorrow's meeting.
February 20th, 2024 at 9:39 PM ^
I envisioned Buffalo Bill dancing in front of the mirror with his fruit basket tucked between his legs.
February 20th, 2024 at 9:43 PM ^
He's saving that for the post-meeting celebration with Sankey.
February 21st, 2024 at 12:30 PM ^
Live footage of Petitti at the meeting
February 20th, 2024 at 9:37 PM ^
The times, they are a changing.
while they are making changes, I would move up the playoffs so that the Champioship game is played at the Rose Bowl.
February 20th, 2024 at 9:54 PM ^
Petitti should kick everyone but the SEC out of the room and make important decisions about them with bad implications for their livelihoods.
Just an idea.
February 20th, 2024 at 10:36 PM ^
I can’t be the only one who’s nauseated that a gutless worm like Pettiti is our commish during this pivotal episode in CFB history.
February 21st, 2024 at 12:32 PM ^
No worries mate. I'm sure whatever Tony decides will definitely be in the best interests of Ohio Stat.......Sorry, I mean the conference.
February 20th, 2024 at 10:49 PM ^
"Tony Petitti"
the notion that this dipshit has any say in any thing is a real pisser
February 20th, 2024 at 11:42 PM ^
My concern is a lack of competitive fairness. Imminent safety of all involved requires investigation and a suspension.
I join with fellow members in outrage and demand action.
February 21st, 2024 at 12:10 AM ^
Annnndddd this is why winning last years natty is why you can feel totally fine with whatever happens going forward.
M went out on the tippy top of the mountain, taking on every fucking one. CFB is dead. M won the day.
support the the team of course , but everything else is peanuts now.
February 21st, 2024 at 12:33 PM ^
Just like in 97 if you think about it.
Last National Championship won during the conference bowl tie-in's. Last year before BCS.
February 21st, 2024 at 2:29 PM ^
Michigan football ends eras.
February 21st, 2024 at 5:33 AM ^
I just dont give a shit anymore about any of this. It's simple, Michigan tries to win the next game, one game at a time. I just dont see any point to trying to understand how the conferences decide these crazy schedules to maximize TV profits.
February 21st, 2024 at 8:40 AM ^
Watching negotiations between TinyPeePee Pettiti and the NCAA is like watching sparty play osu. I'm rooting for the meteor.
February 21st, 2024 at 9:42 AM ^
Yeah, go get it.
16 teams instead of 12 seems like a no brainer. Don't really understand why that wasn't already the case.
Weighted voting and extra money, may as well ask for it. But even better would be if they don't get it and then the B1G and SEC actually break off into a new league.
February 21st, 2024 at 9:53 AM ^
Honestly, I think all non SEC and Big 10 schools should band together and commit to their own thing and also commit to never scheduling a team from either league. This would put a stop to this. The SEC and Big 10 would really get tired of beating up on each other. I know it will never happen, but that seems to be the only way to stop this.
February 21st, 2024 at 9:56 AM ^
Remember the Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC alliance as a reaction to the SEC getting OU and UT? How'd that go?
There's no honor among thieves.
February 21st, 2024 at 10:25 AM ^
Under the new format the #5 will be in a very good spot every year. They'll probably be the best non conference champ from the big ten or sec. They'll play the 12 who could very well be quite mid, at home. Then they'll play the weak #4 that's probably the big 12 champ to get to the semis.
February 21st, 2024 at 11:54 AM ^
Will there be any discussion of "reseeding" after each round of the playoffs?
February 21st, 2024 at 8:55 PM ^
February 21st, 2024 at 10:54 AM ^
If even a few of these hold up, then this is (soccer) relegation, just by another name. How about we rip the band aid off and recognize that.
February 21st, 2024 at 12:21 PM ^
I am still so high off the NATTY I cant bring myself to react strongly or terribly concerned.
February 21st, 2024 at 2:00 PM ^
The reddit thread on this in cfb is hilarious. Lots of spitting mad B12/ACC fans, but none have actual points to make, just angry gesturing.