Details on NCAA Process for UM w/r/t Sign Stealing Investigation

Submitted by nickelsarcade on October 23rd, 2023 at 6:32 PM

In light of today's news, it is fairly clear that the current investigation is of a much greater severity than many on this Board (including me) initially thought and will likely lead to some penalties being imposed on UM by both NCAA and possibly Big10. Based on my past experience handling investigations with the NCAA, and the number of somewhat crazy statements being made on the Board, just wanted to outline some general principles of the NCAA process and what next steps realistically will be for UM. 

As of now, the NCAA's investigative staff is in the fact compilation process, by which they are developing the record for the ultimate hearing that will be held to determine liability and, if liability is found, punishment. As many have mentioned, staff do not have subpoena power or any clause that requires UM to cooperate, turn over devices, provide staff for interviews, etc. With that being said, compliance with requests, unless they are grossly disproportionate, is expected and usually given and Staff can request from the panel intermediate penalties to try to induce cooperation. A lack of cooperation, in turn, can be used inferentially by the hearing panel to suggest culpability.

After the investigation completes and the investigators determine the exact nature of the underlying alleged infractions, there's a very complicated and long pre-hearing process. Most importantly, during this process, the actual panel that will hear the case is determined. Contrary to public belief, this is done by a computer, and the target institution may challenge panel members that appear to have a conflict of interest. All charges are brought on an institutional level, meaning UM will be the target institution even if this matter stays just with Stalions. 

There are a number of methods of resolution of an NCAA complaint. First, there can be a negotiated resolution (think: settlement) within which the parties agree on the outcome and avoid a disputed resolution through a hearing. Second, there can be summary disposition, where the parties basically rely on their briefing and the hearing panel reaches a conclusion. Finally, there may be an actual hearing, within which relevant parties will present their cases, witnesses will testify, evidence will be shown, etc. Of note, third parties can attend and participate, which can include conference reps, interested institutions, etc. 

After all of this, there may be post-hearing briefing, but then you receive a decision from the panel. There are six major types of penalties the NCAA can impose:

  • Show Cause Orders. General show-cause orders are flat-out bans from all activity. Specific show-cause are . . . specific bans from specific activities. 
  • Financial Penalties - these can include fines as well as reducing revenue sharing proceeds. 
  • Scholarship Reductions
  • Suspensions
  • Vacating Wins and Records
  • Banning the Institution from Participation

Many on the Board have noted that recent by-laws impose a Head Coach Responsibility penalty. Unlike the mainstream reporting, however, that Responsibility is not automatic, and instead is based on a holistic assessment of a number of factors, including: (1) whether the Coach was involved; (2) what compliance and "spot-checks" were implemented at the program generally; (3) history of affirmative reporting of wrongdoing; (4) educated staff on relevant NCAA rules. 

Whatever punishments are reached are then subject to a potential motion for reconsideration and possibly an appeal as well. 

My conclusion: this is a very long process that usually takes years and even on an expedited timeline should take 6-9 months. UM's season should thus technically be safe, and any punishments will either be retrospective or for next season but not interfering. There is too much unknown at this point, but the major question is (1) who funded the activities; (2) how long did it occur; (3) was it understood to be occuring. Harbaugh is not necessarily going to get hit with Head Coach Responsibility, but given NCAA views him as a "bad actor" already, the chips are stacked in that regards. 

The one silver lining is timing. This came out before we played PSU or OSU, and any competitive injury that could have been suffered has been mitigated by the public disclosure weeks in advance. Thus, comprehensive victories against both would go a long way to suggesting whatever benefit this created was marginal and ultimately was not responsible for the program's success over the last few years. If this had been released at end of the year, enemies of UM would be able to claim everything was tainted. This is a rare opportunity to sanitize a very unsavory narrative. 

 

Harmon4Heisman

October 23rd, 2023 at 9:46 PM ^

Right? He knows too much haha. The missing link, second shooter on the grassy knoll, the smoking gun, ace up the sleeve. It’s my guess that he’s somehow plugged in, as the information he’s shared about knowing they took Stalions’ phone, knowing explicit details on the “network,” knowing that Stalions was sloppy with creating an evidence trail between personal and work devices, all points to getting direct info from a source in Schembechler Hall. 

Sopwith

October 24th, 2023 at 4:32 AM ^

I'm relatively calm about it mostly because at the end of the day, it's just college football, not life. It's a voluntary, self-imposed madness. 

I don't know what's going to happen. But I do, by an incredibly random series of events, have some insights into what already happened, and I shared an abridged chunk of that with this community given how much communal joy/solace it's given me over 15 years of lurking/posting. Emphasis on solace pre-2021, amirite?

That said, my concern is non-zero. Two things below are my known unknowns:

(1) "Follow the money": I posted on day one of the story we might go full Deep Throat cliché, but I don't actually know where the money came from. That worries me.

I'm pretty sure it's not SMU mailing illicit payola in University AD envelopes (that happened) but sometimes institutional funds get a bit...slushy. Not a big concern, but a blind spot.

(2) Other B1G teams likely have video of someone sitting in those seats with an iPhone in landscape orientation. I'd be surprised if it's the Captain, but I might be proven wrong by... the end of this sentence. I can't sit here and say he never joined the general public and went to an opponent's game after formally joining the staff in 2022, because he's Ricky Roma and I'm Dave Moss therefore I'm not his leash so I don't know, do I?

But it would be a mystifying and incongruent thing to do given how much creative effort I know he expended putting OPB (Other People's Butts) into the seats he bought. 

Communist Football

October 24th, 2023 at 7:27 AM ^

It would be extremely interesting if it turns out that, as you imply, he was “intimately familiar” with the rules, and believed that he’d found a way to adhere to them while gaining an advantage via the “in person” loophole. That fact pattern is suggested by the fact that he bought the tix under his own name. 

SergeantBlue

October 24th, 2023 at 9:07 AM ^

Do you think he used his own name because he did his diligence and knew/knows this isn't actually against the rules so there's nothing to hide or because he was just sloppy?  I think if you knew it was legal, but very gray area, you would definitely NOT want to hide your name because that just makes everyone think what you're doing is wrong, obviously.

GeraldFord48

October 24th, 2023 at 10:39 AM ^

A piece that I feel a little better about for UM regarding the money (and to be clear, I defer to you on all matters here since you have rapidly ascended from internet rando to message board guy to probably being featured in the next JUB book) is the whole Stalions the Superfan article Brian referenced. This dude buys an AirBnB, sleeps in his car to pocket more cash, and bought tickets to every Michigan game to volunteer. If he could pull that off, I can see him having the money to buy 50 yard-line tickets to these games himself and nothing ever slushy is involved.

uminks

October 24th, 2023 at 5:21 AM ^

So Stalion recruited you to attend some of the games over the past few years. He probably used his own money to pay for tickets. I heard his best opposing play calling diagnosis occurred from viewing television game video of the games and not from his network of friends attending the games.

Harmon4Heisman

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:27 PM ^

Hilarity in a good way for us where theories naysayers have cooked up are revealed to be not even close to true? Or such a bad look for us that it’s funny? Found out about a strange Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon connection I have to this whole thing last week when an acquaintance in New York revealed a screenshot of an Instagram DM from Stalions offering Ohio State game sideline passes if they went to the Rutgers game and filmed the sideline. He didn’t offer tickets or to pay for transportation, just the incentive. (Staffers are allotted pregame field access wristbands for every home game to give to whoever they please, so it wouldn’t be a big deal to have “Ohio State sideline passes”) They declined but screenshotted it as they thought it was odd at the time. I feel like I could ask you 50 questions as you seem like a smoking gun on the good guys’ side. But it sounds like you’ll eventually have a post on here equivalent to naming the second shooter on the grassy knoll. One last thing, reading through your comments I’ve thought to myself “man I hope person is on the legal team for this case, and if not I hope he’s in somebody’s ear in Schembechler Hall.” I don’t doubt we’ve got phenomenal lawyers, just hope they leave no stone unturned in our defense. 

berto714

October 24th, 2023 at 6:59 AM ^

I’m not sure why he has to be the one in the seat. If he gives the ticket to someone, asks them to film the team’s bench all game and send it to him and they do, they are effectively acting as his agent doing something on behalf of Stalions for his benefit.

 

A comparison is anti-corruption laws (an area of law I focus on). Most companies prosecuted for violation of these laws don’t actually bribe directly, they hire third parties (who might themselves hire third parties) to actually pay the bribes. It doesn’t somehow absolve them of guilt. And before people jump in trying to distinguish it from NCAA bylaws, corruption laws don’t specifically state this scenario, in some cases it’s just how the prosecutors have interpreted the statutes and the courts have backed up this interpretation.

Not an expert on how the NCAA acts but I understand they have a great deal of latitude. In this case they essentially are the prosecutor and court. It also strains credibility that they would let you just skirt this rule by getting someone not on the staff to do it. If it was that easy everyone would do it.

Mattinboots

October 24th, 2023 at 1:37 AM ^

I just read the legislative history of the bylaws. Two things:

1) the rule prohibiting paying someone else was not codified, but was discussed on the floor and understood to be against the rules. However, this was not widely known and such purchases were generally not enforced. However however, these comments were made in a 1998 revision so anyone worth their salt in this space would know that paying a third party is a no-no post-1998. 
 

2) it is, however (so many howevers), clear in that 1998 commentary that an INSTIITUTION can’t pay a third party. So if Michigan never reimbursed and didn’t know, then this may all amount to little. 
 

one comment on the 2021 and the ncaa saying this was “minimal competitive advantage” is that that comment was made in the rationale for the proposal to strike the rule. However, that proposal was defeated. So that could imply those voting it down did see a competitive advantage. 
 

if the facts are as they appear to be, the main defense that could lead to success is that Stalions did this 100% on his own. 
 

Bryan

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:17 PM ^

Assuming there was a Vast Network, which I doubt, just because someone is holding up a phone doesn’t mean there was a recording taking place, let alone transmitted to someone else. Yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds but each step in this whole potential Network would need to be proven to whatever standards the NCAA uses. 

Blinkin

October 23rd, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^

I guess that depends on how "legal" this process is. I've been of the (admittedly uninformed) opinion that the NCAA isn't going to hold itself to the standards of a legal court, and that it can find fault for the spirit of rules being broken, even if the letter of the law was not broken. I'd love to be wrong about that. But I'm worried it won't be material.

canzior

October 24th, 2023 at 9:28 AM ^

That can't possibly be true after what we've seen at Kansas, TN, Arizona, LSU and UNC. 

The thing that probably concerns me at all in any of this is that based on the previous actions by the M AD, they may not fight this as creatively and cleverly as they could and end up just complying without putting up resistance.

Blue@LSU

October 23rd, 2023 at 6:42 PM ^

Thank you for this perspective. I'm just reserving judgement until all of the facts come out.

But, given your experience, can you explain to me how all of these leaks are coming out? It just seems maddening that all of these leaks are drip, drip, dripping and Michigan couldn't respond to them even if they wanted to.

It's frustrating from a fan perspective.

nickelsarcade

October 23rd, 2023 at 6:50 PM ^

A few things are happening at once, I suspect. First, other Big10 schools who have provided information or been contacted by investigators themselves are talking to the press. And they talk to one another so its a game of telephone, which reporters then pick up tidbits of and cloak as "sources." Second, the NCAA has a terrible record of observing confidentiality and frequently leaks itself. You don't need to look much farther than the NCAA official tweeting that the other UM investigation (which also has not been resolved) was about more than a hamburger despite, of course, their obligation to remain silent pending resolution. It is a dying institution, hamstrung by rampant conflicts of interest and bad actors, that with every passing year becomes more and more capricious. 

Derek

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:30 PM ^

I recommend a different tack: full-on jingoism. These rumors of allegations are just more evidence of the NCAA's rank corruption via selective enforcement. It's going to be hilarious when the investigation accidentally uncovers the fact that something like this was happening at nearly every P5 football program. 

UcheWallyWally

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:24 PM ^

Michigan needs to have an entire PI team on this to be honest. Combing threw crowd footage of every home game for any and everyone who appears to have there phones/ recording devices out for prolonged periods of time possibly pointing in the general facility of either sideline/ signs. Track to the seat occupant, purchaser and any ties they may have to any opposing teams. Any footage of Urban Meyer staring in the direction of a signal giver would be pretty useful as well.

JacquesStrappe

October 23rd, 2023 at 6:43 PM ^

There is no way to put lipstick on this pig. This is a very bad look unless some mitigating circumstances are revealed. I just can’t believe we were this stupid or careless. Even if no one on the coaching staff had knowledge you would think Stalion as a Naval Academy grad would have used better judgment or not been as reckless. Then again he is also a crayon eating Marine. 

MGlobules

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:15 PM ^

I dunno. Consider this (for now) plausible scenario: UM homer grad student with military background has minor research role with team. . . in a climate where sign-stealing is already rampant. He gets it into his head that it should be possible to crunch data from four or five sources, starting with systems of signs that other teams use--using what he thinks are his insights from military history and experience--and starts collecting data. Some of this might be actionable by a vindictive NCAA, but none of it would implicate Jim.

Could have happened at any of the schools. 

And let's make it more heinous (the above, to me, is less heinous than an attempt to make a prevailing environment of sign-stealing, some of it seen by many coaches as part of the game, more sophisticated/potent): Let's say he whispers to a few low-level staffers that when x team is in y game situation and they wiggle their ears at each other, that tends to mean they do z. Do you think that's not something that other schools are also trying to get a handle on? 

Wiser football heads than mine know well that when Jesse Minters sees a team line up in a certain way on third and long, three or four things are going to happen. We're already doing this predictive stuff at a very, very high level. I'm not sure that Stalions is very likely to look like he was impacting play much. Not in almost any scenario that we can construct. Especially if, in an atmosphere where sign-stealing is ongoing, teams are altering their systems game to game. And if they're not, they not up to much.

I get that this way of trying to interpret apparent variables can be constructed in various ways, but I also think that it's hard to construct it as a hugely successful, fully comprehensive construct, or something that could possibly be applied--has been--to play after play, win after win.