Up close video of handshake line w audio
https://twitter.com/sportingnews/status/1495549247286042631?s=20&t=_SoO…
Howard says “I’ll remember that shit” then Gard says something to which he retorts “Don’t fucking touch me” then we know the rest…
Idk what to think here.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:00 PM ^
Lol I have never seen Michigan fans defend Lewan Gibbons or Anderson. Lewan and Gibbons are two of the most hated athletes on this board, regardless of school. I’ve never seen anyone say Anderson is innocent the way some Penn State fans have about Sandusky. No does have his apologists so you are somewhat right on that score. As for Juwan, 95% of the posters here are stipulating that Juwan was wrong to do what he did, even as they criticize Gard et al.
Incidentally, those years where we “used to be better” were when the Anderson abuse was being covered up and/or ignored.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:45 PM ^
conflating Anderson and Bo with what happened this afternoon is fucking appalling and you need to know this
February 21st, 2022 at 12:10 AM ^
So you’re saying Juwan grabbing a guy is on par with rape, sexual assault, and the university covering those vile acts up?
February 20th, 2022 at 10:08 PM ^
My first reaction was the national outrage will basically force Warde to fire Juwan, but the narrative is beginning to change a little. There’s even an article on CBS Sports saying both sides are at fault and suspensions will be coming for both teams.
With that said, Juwan needs to change or he needs to go. I don’t care where in Chicago he grew up or how he lived when he was young. He’s been in basketball as a profession for 20+ years and he’s learned by now that you can’t physically attack someone because you’re angry and he should know by now how to conduct himself as a professional and the leader of this program. This is the second time in the last twelve months he had to be restrained from going after an opposing coach. I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s embarrassing, but I’m certainly not proud of his behavior.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:35 PM ^
Tom Izzo loses his fucking mind on the sidelines every damn game…no one ever questions his temperament. Juwan has 2 in 3 seasons and now he needs to be castaway? People are severely over reacting to the incident.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:48 PM ^
izzo grabbing players, screaming in their faces, calling them the n word, harboring rapists, propping up old man "blue collar" basketball is fine, but this is a fireable offense. Geez what's the major difference here?
February 20th, 2022 at 11:59 PM ^
When did Izzo call one of his players the N word!
February 20th, 2022 at 10:13 PM ^
I went through the CBS footage frame-by-frame. I took out names (except the two coaches) because I'm not 100% sure who all is who, and I'm not calling out any of the kids directly.
A couple things. This all happened in front of the Michigan bench. Multiple Wisconsin assistants aggressively inserted themselves into the Michigan bench area and the players as did multiple Wisconsin players.
Whatever punishment comes down, there are two Wisconsin assistants, and one Wisconsin player who deserve it, as well.
1. Howard has his words ("I'll remember that shit.") and tries to walk past Gard.
2. Gard grabs Howard's arm and they have more words.
3. Wisconsin Asst1., jumps in yelling stuff.
4. Michigan Player1 inserts himself in between the coaches, peacemaking.
5. Wisconsin Asst.2, jumps in, it is not clear what he is doing.
6. Wisconsin Asst.3, jumps in aggressively, he is yelling towards Howard.
7. A second Michigan Player2 jumps in between Howard and the Wisconsin assistants.
8. Howard and Gard, now separated, are still yelling at each other.
9. Wisconsin Asst.3, still yelling at Howard, being held back by some guy in a B1G shirt (network guy?). He felt it was necessary to do so for some reason...
10. Wisconsin Asst.3, reaches out, hand in Michigan Player2's chest, yelling at him.
11. Howard reaches out and grabs at Wisconsin Asst.3's head.
12. Wisconsin Asst.3 dodge's Howard and Howard's hand connects upside his head.
13. Police officer slips in...
14. Wisconsin Asst.2 takes down Michigan Player2, behind the melee.
15. Wisconsin Player1, pushes through into the melee towards Michigan Players
16. Michigan Player2 is back on his feet.
17. Wisconsin Player2, aggressively pushes through from the Wisconsin side, all the way to Michigan Player2, and punches him in the face, two times.
18. Michigan Player3 takes swings at Wisconsin Player2, probably connecting at least once.
Melee diffuses as Wisconsin Player3 - dipshit fouling god - calls for the team to sing, wants Michigan players and coaches off the court
February 20th, 2022 at 11:17 PM ^
Nice frame-by-frame analysis. Thank you.
Nevertheless, considering the likelihood that many fans at the game were taking videos of what happened, there probably will be several videos of the incident to be reviewed, and I think that Frankie Collins, Jaron Faulds and Terrance Williams II who were closest to Juwan Howard and Greg Gard when the shouting started will be interviewed about what they heard during the early moments of the incident.
Waiting for multiple versions of the "Zapruder film".
February 20th, 2022 at 11:40 PM ^
Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left...
February 21st, 2022 at 12:19 AM ^
This is great and obviously biased. #18 should say, Michigan player 2 gently, in a playful, some would say teasing type of manner, punches and connects with Wisconsin player’s stupid, ugly face.
February 21st, 2022 at 7:47 AM ^
Thanks. I was waiting for a blow-by-blow account of what happened.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:33 PM ^
Don't put your hands on me attempting to impede my flow of traffic like I'm your child. Simple as that.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:17 PM ^
A little bit of this going on there. Juwan--at this stage--doesn't have to be rational, just to know himself well enough not to want to talk about it there and then. Plenty of times I'm pissed and need to sort something out and refuse to talk at that moment. He tries to push on; Gard catches his arm, then puts a hand on his chest. Juwan tries to move way out of the picture. Then he stands there watching three Wisconsin assistants being aggressive with his players. No, Juwan cannot hit anyone, but there are a lot of contributing factors. Of course, if you show the nation shots of Juwan nailing the guy in the face people are going to cry bloody murder. . . a little more going on there, which is why you don't shitcan somebody in the heat of the moment. M fans calling for the firing of their own coach should be ashamed of themselves. They're reactionary, in the truest construction of that word.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:22 PM ^
I mean you have some people comparing it to the Woody Hayes incident, I think that should tell you all you need to know about some posters ability to step back and think logically about what transpired. Which quite frankly was a stupid incident where both parties had chances to descalate and share responsibility for that.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:39 AM ^
if we could just have all the grown men involved remember to keep their hands to themselves this would never happen.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:51 PM ^
the buttery truth. so very succinct
February 20th, 2022 at 10:44 PM ^
Personally, my favorite part of the Michigan fan base is the part that runs to grab the sword out of the case to commit ritual suicide. A lot of you are in this thread so thanks for showing up!
February 20th, 2022 at 11:00 PM ^
I like Juwan. But I don't want him fighting opposing coaches. Does that make me in favor of "ritual suicide"?
February 20th, 2022 at 11:38 PM ^
You touch me like that while I’m walking past you…you might get these hands! This is a life lesson Gard and Wisconsin will carry with them the rest of their lives.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:19 AM ^
You would hope, but the apologies from Ann Arbor probably has them emboldened
February 21st, 2022 at 7:24 AM ^
Putting aside Juwan's lack of judgment and restraint for a moment ... excellent observation. To me the self-flagellation looks almost religious. People have interesting self concepts.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:53 PM ^
Michigan vs Everybody
February 20th, 2022 at 11:01 PM ^
This is a trend now. The more I think about it, a removal may not be the worst decision. He needs to be better than this, but he incited a near riot. And he put his own players into a toxic situation. The HC job is project his players, not get caught up In whatever grievances that he perceives
February 20th, 2022 at 11:35 PM ^
How did he incite a near riot? That was pretty far from a near riot. Perspective is lacking here.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:11 PM ^
If he calls off the dogs and let's Wisconsin dribble out the clock - nothing happens.
If he walks by Gard without shaking his hand AND without saying anything Gard probably doesn't grab his arm - nothing happens.
If Gard says something in response without grabbing his arm - probably nothing happens.
February 21st, 2022 at 8:04 AM ^
Seriously? So there's NO accountability for Gard?? Who called a to up by 15 with what 5 seconds left? Who started the fight? I think you are overcompensating in your efforts to be "objective".
February 20th, 2022 at 11:40 PM ^
Man, I don't know, my prevailing thought is do not start any shit in a very public setting like this. Handle your personal business in private. There is nothing good that can come out out of airing grievances the way Juwan did. You need to think before you act, especially when you are the coach of a high profile program like Michigan.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:49 PM ^
I agree with you but as you can see both can be true. You can TRY and restrain yourself and walk away after regaining your professionalism and STILL, lose your crap!!!! Listen most people say yeah if he touched me or grabbed me I’d walk away. That’s so hilarious because no one in here knows exactly what they would do, because no man knows exactly what makes them FEEL disrespected until it happens. Yet and still I don’t agree with how or what happened,”I’m just saying.”
February 20th, 2022 at 11:56 PM ^
Good point about feeling disrespected. Perhaps Gard felt that the finger pointing in his face was like a slap in the face, like he was being scolded like a poorly behaving child in front of his home crowd. Something like that wouldn't set me off, but the egos that control major college sports probably think vastly different than people like me.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:11 AM ^
I am pretty sure he was talking about the grab by Gard and how it is easier said than done to say Howard shouldn't react to it. I mean Howard would have been better off not saying what he did prior but the physical portion of the interaction was started by Gard and I can see how Howard felt a grab like that was dispectful.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:22 AM ^
Furthermore, Gard has a Napoleon complex
February 21st, 2022 at 5:50 AM ^
Feeling disrespected is part of living in a country with free speech. We expect adults in this country to be able to handle that emotion without illegally striking each other.
If these were anything other than high profile rich guys at a high profile rich guy event Howard would've spent the night in jail.
February 21st, 2022 at 7:08 AM ^
Do you know how many scuffles way worse than this happen every day with no high profile rich guys and no one spends the night in jail? I don’t either but it is a lot. You are just throwing something out there. Juwan should not have done what he did but jail? You are like the guy who says he should be drug tested.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:42 PM ^
I would absolutely love to punch a Wisconsin coach. Props to Juwan.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:43 PM ^
Fuck what rest of country thinks.
I like our coach. He's good. We keep him and learn from experience. Why would we buckle for our rivals.Other BIG 10 teams gonna cheer if he's fired. And yall gonna be bitching when we are BAD.
The honor shit just kills me. Just win baby. Hopefully this energizes the team to win for their coach. Fuck Wisconsin. Fuck osu. Fuck everyone. Go join church basketball.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:53 PM ^
ironically or not, amen
February 21st, 2022 at 12:07 AM ^
People on this board are idiots. It’s called assault. You can’t physically touch an opposing coach regardless if he called you a derogatory word, you don’t like his deodorant, etc. When you are in charge of a million dollar program, leading teenagers, you just don’t do what he did - period. End of story. I don’t give a fuck if Wisky is a sad sack of shit (which they are) … you don’t touch other people.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:15 AM ^
So by your logic Wisconsin's assistant coach shoving Faulds or putting his hands on Williams prior to Howard's reaction should fall into the whole you shouldn't touch people right? Or you know Gard putting his hands on Howard initially. Criticize Howard for taking it further sure, but if your argument is people shouldn't put their hands on each other both parties did that in this case.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:43 AM ^
battery
February 21st, 2022 at 7:11 AM ^
You are at least right about the part that people on this board are idiots.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:10 AM ^
I get all sides of the argument; and, of course the University of Michigan is going to come out and apologize directly to de-escalate the situation. Which, in turn, will make it easier to not have to dismiss Coach Howard.
Seeing the video, it is obvious that Howard is pissed off, regardless of whether you believe it is justified or not. The Wiscy coach grabs his arm and is completely patronizing to coach Howard as he is walking by. Just let him go! You don't grab a man and begin to push your point of view on him in that situation. You let him walk the hell by. It all escalates and coach sees his players being manhandled. Coach is not going to stand by, in that situation, and watch that happen.
Those trying to compare this to Woody Hayes are complete imbecile. Yes, Howard was wrong to let his emotions get the best of him. Yes, he will and should be suspended for a brief time. No, he wasn't walking on the court to punch a student athlete in the face for stealing the ball. Seriously, you are lost and confused individuals.
He will learn from this. The team will rally. I wouldn't be surprised if they played better down the stretch, fighting for a coach who has their back.
If, in fact, the University is not happy with him, they may use this as an excuse to move in a different direction. I don't see that happing.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:35 AM ^
Howard started shit with a bitch attitude about a timeout (despite having his team with starters in playing a full court press). Gard overreacted like a coach hardo. Howard overreacted like a child with no self restraint and made an ass of himself. Nobody looks good, Howard looks like a guy you aren’t sure you can trust to be a coach
February 21st, 2022 at 12:38 AM ^
Mysteriously no mention of an assistant coach who ran in to instigate further and shoved a Michigan player and put his hands on another, even though we can see that is what immediately happened prior to the swipe/punch.
February 21st, 2022 at 7:36 AM ^
The Wisconsin coaches definitely amped up the situation with a combined bull rush of sorts , shoving and grabbing forearms.
Juwan lit the fuse, as it's hard to imagine it escalating without the slap.
Certainly multiple coaches/staff facing suspension for Wisconsin.
Still at the end of the day what got Juwan pissed off so much.
Game was lost, pull your starters, give your deep bench a half minute, go home.
Nope, leave starters in, full press down 15, with 30 seconds left.
Then yell out for a foul on the inbounds after the timeout. Yell out "good foul Jace"
Walk out to the court instead of leading shake line.
Don't care about blaming whoever with what happens next.
Unless I missed something, what "shit" was Juwan going to remember. The coach created his own little ball of hate act over nothing.
Depending on the tint of your glasses, who's to blame is cemented for you.
I simply don't respect the coaching strategy and behavior, followed by his presser blaming a time out as justification.
February 21st, 2022 at 6:53 AM ^
BS..JH was walking past Gard and not even looking at him..so Gard should have let him pass period. Gard didn't have to like his comment. Thats irrelevant. All he had to do was let him keep walking...
February 21st, 2022 at 12:37 AM ^
Why did the law enforcement officer that was within two feet not deescalate the situation when things initially got physical between Juwan and Greg? Regardless of what happened after, had he intervened when Greg touched Juwan and Juwan reacted by grabbing Greg the whole situation could have been a lot different.
February 21st, 2022 at 6:00 AM ^
$$$
Normal people get in that situation with that many cops around and at least one person is spending the night in jail.
February 21st, 2022 at 1:00 AM ^
Too bad warde didn't hire the best man for the job and instead chose a Michigan man. How many times has Howard lost his cool now?
February 21st, 2022 at 1:22 AM ^
You think Yaklich would’ve won two big ten titles by now instead of the one Howard has won?