Up close video of handshake line w audio
https://twitter.com/sportingnews/status/1495549247286042631?s=20&t=_SoO…
Howard says “I’ll remember that shit” then Gard says something to which he retorts “Don’t fucking touch me” then we know the rest…
Idk what to think here.
February 20th, 2022 at 9:39 PM ^
I agree. It's a snowflake response. The whole thing reminds me of When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong.
February 20th, 2022 at 9:48 PM ^
There's nothing that Wisconsin did that can validate Juwan's response. But it's easy to see the swing and think, "guys can get fired for that," because they can. A lot of Michigan fans, being partisan, will push back against the harsher criticism that's all over the internet (and it is, indeed, *all over* the internet), and it's hard to balance our personal feelings for the program and our affection for Juwan with what we feel about what he did. I've been largely unsuccessful trying to express both sides of that this afternoon, for example.
What I think we're seeing isn't a lot of people saying "it was nothing, no big deal, Wisconsin's as much as fault." A bit, yes. But most people are just seeing the context and thinking, "wait, there's a lot of stuff going on, it got out of hand, Juwan absolutely responded wrong... but he shouldn't be fired for that."
And... that's not unreasonable.
February 20th, 2022 at 9:56 PM ^
Well I agree Howard's response was not appropriate I also think an assistant putting his hands on opposing players is also wildly inappropriate, going as far as shoving one of them. That is the part the media is seemingly ignoring. It does not make Howard's response ok but it makes it more understandable as a bad decision made on impulse without any thought.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:53 AM ^
I think it should be a red flag for Michigan fans that literally everyone thinks Howard, a well liked and respected person, is clearly in the wrong and likely deserves to get fired.
February 21st, 2022 at 9:32 AM ^
Well- everyone used to think that the sun revolves around the earth so I guess we should also accept that as fact-
February 20th, 2022 at 9:57 PM ^
Do you really have a problem with “I’ll remember that shit”? A lot worse gets said by head coaches for a lot less than this situation. I agree Juwan should have handled differently but you deciding when it is appropriate to say I’ll remember that shit is a new level of something to be critical about.
I’ll remember that shit. Should be the new blog tagline.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:04 PM ^
The Wisco assistant violated a cardinal rule by enaging with TWill. You do not talk to opposing players. Ever.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:06 PM ^
Ummm the bigger issue is he shoved Faulds before that and then put his hands on Williams. He was acting as a instigator trying to bait UM into a reaction and it unfortunately worked.
February 21st, 2022 at 5:08 AM ^
"I’ll remember that shit. Should be the new blog tagline."
Oh God no.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:00 PM ^
I will add, to use your words, I think it is weak as hell that you are calling out Juwan for saying I’ll remember that shit.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:44 PM ^
What’s to remember? A timeout? Really?!
February 20th, 2022 at 11:20 PM ^
I don’t care what he wants to remember. A timeout, a loss, an elbow, etc. Remember the little things Jordan used for motivation. I get some people don’t want the head coach to talk shit. I am just not one of those people. I think it is fine if he uses it for motivation. I will say again that I think Juwan should be suspended for hitting their assistant coach. That is a good reason to criticize him. Saying I’ll remember this shit doesn’t seem like a big deal in highly charged athletics. Of all the things to criticize him for I think that is weak as hell. We disagree. It’s all good…..but I’ll remember this shit.
February 20th, 2022 at 9:44 PM ^
I completely understand why Juwan got angry and sympathize. Unfortunately, in that moment you have to rise above your visceral instincts. He has to be able to control his emotions and reactions given his position representing the university in front of national media.
I probably couldn't do it, but may he have the opportunity and use it.
February 20th, 2022 at 9:45 PM ^
I mean the problem is why is Gard grabbing him like that. The rest of it is honestly kind of bs between the coaches that doesn't make either look good. Like kind of dumb of Howard honestly with the comment but what in Gard's head thought grabbing another grown man in that manner would lead to anything good. But the bigger issue to me as far Wisconsin's role is we have clear evidence now that their assistant was putting his hands on UM players, going as far as straight shoving Faulds. And as far as the player roles Diabete and Williams better get off light as they were clearly only responding to being punched first.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:19 PM ^
"But the bigger issue to me as far Wisconsin's role is we have clear evidence now that their assistant was putting his hands on UM players, going as far as straight shoving Faulds."
Thank you. No excuse for Juwan and he deserves to get suspended. But his reaction is a bit more understandable given that the UW assistant comes in late after it looks like things are calming and then pushes two UM players. Juwan cannot respond with a slap there but I understand why that provoked the situation. If that UW assistant is not suspended, I will be disappointed. I don't like what Gard did but I am not going to blame him there too much.
February 20th, 2022 at 9:47 PM ^
Hopefully the B1G will see that TWill and Diabate only responded to getting sucker punched and then did nothing more.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:02 PM ^
Also lol at Davison waiting until the whole thing calmed down before running in yelling, "Hey! Hey!"
February 20th, 2022 at 10:52 PM ^
On the CBS feed, you can see Neath throwing hands at TWill and Diabate first. Then those two started swinging.
February 20th, 2022 at 9:59 PM ^
Thanks for sharing - just confirms Wisco instigated across all of head coach, assistant coach and players . F them , really hope administration shows some backbone
February 20th, 2022 at 10:01 PM ^
It seems pretty obvious what happened and I’m sure that I will get downvoted.
Juwan got irrationally angry over the time out, ignoring the fact that he was pressing back ups. He doesn’t shake the hand of the Wisconsin coach and instead says “I’ll remember that shit“. The other coach doesn’t want Juwan to just walk by and instead wants to discuss the matter. To get his attention he grabbed his elbow, probably not the smartest thing to do, but then Juwan freaks out saying do not touch me as if the Wisconsin coach was coming in with aggression instead of just getting his attention. And then it escalated even more needlessly beyond that to the point where JH decides to reach over and pimp slap another coach in the face.
I just don’t get it man. You’ve got to have better self-control than that and understand you’re not a player anymore; you’re leading a major university and a role model for those you are developing.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:08 PM ^
Again you are missing the part where said assistant shoves Faulds and then puts his hands on Williams.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:22 PM ^
Meh.. Faulds was talking smack there too. He certainly wasn’t de-escalating the situation.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:23 PM ^
A coach should never shove a player, period.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:13 PM ^
Columbia transfer/deep bench player Jaron Faulds was talking shit?
February 20th, 2022 at 11:24 PM ^
What smack was he talking?
February 20th, 2022 at 10:41 PM ^
Glad you are omniscient and know what Gard was thinking and how he was just wanting to have a gentle chit chat. He sure didn’t seem worked up or aggressive at all. I loved at the end of the video how he was standing there all tough saying “I’m right here”. Sounded like he had to hype himself up.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:02 PM ^
Mad about the TO, should have been mad at his own team for going 4-25 from behind the arc or going a 11 minute stretch in the second half scoring 3 points that’s what he should have been mad at
February 20th, 2022 at 10:07 PM ^
This is really where the problem stems - most teams who are down double digits with less than 30 seconds to go call off the dogs and let the other team cross mid-court and dribble out the clock. Michigan was in a full court press with 15 seconds to go and Purdue was on the verge of a turnover so they called a timeout. If Howard wasn't going to have his players stop playing then don't expect Purdue to stop playing either. In this case he wanted it both ways and that's not how it works.
I watched Rutgers vs Purdue and Rugters missed a shot down 12 with 15 seconds to go when Purdue got the rebound - Rutgers let them dribble out the game.
Further, if Juwan didn't want to shake his hand he should have just kept his mouth shut and walked by. Probably doesn't get his arm grabbed if that happens.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:12 PM ^
We were playing Wisconsin, not Purdue.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:17 PM ^
I know. I was referring to the Rutgers v Purdue game which was on just after our game with Wisconsin.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:23 PM ^
Read your first paragraph again.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:35 PM ^
I see it now. I'd like to edit it but I'm going to leave it. Thanks for the correction.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:56 PM ^
Too much BBQ. You are HIGH!!!
February 20th, 2022 at 10:07 PM ^
He would have been better off clocking Brad Davison in the nuts and letting him sing varsity soprano. The rest of the league would have paid his fine for him.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:07 PM ^
Maybe I was raised on some Michigan Man bullshit but it’s getting increasingly harder to feel good about Michigan. The Lewan/Gibbons stuff was the start, then the Dr. Anderson and Bo stuff, and now a head coach throwing hands. And watching UM fans intensely defend each. It’s so gross. No better than OSU, MSU, or Penn State at this point.
We really did used to be better than this. I love Juwan, but come on man. You’re a 50 year old man in a role of responsibility, it’s never never never okay to do that.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:11 PM ^
Cool, it is also never ok for an coach to shove and then put his hands on another opposing player either. The reality is this was an incredibly stupid conflict by both parties who had chances to diffuse but decided to instigate/escalate instead. Wisconsin is just as much at fault here.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:22 PM ^
If you can’t see the difference between some pointing, light pushing, and yelling and throwing hands at some one then you’ve neither ever watched sports or were born yesterday.
In every world sport, there’s a very clear delineation between pushing and shit and swinging at people. It’s a massive massive difference.
But just like with Anderson and Nasser, or Lewan/Gibbons compared to Payne/Appling people are more focused on getting one up over an opponent than assessing your own horrific behavior. Hypocrisy is omnipresent in life, so I’m the idiot here, but I always thought UM was just a little bit better and different.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:28 PM ^
Shoving between players sure, that's one thing. A coach shoving a player, hell no, should never happen unless the player puts his hands on you first. Other than that no coach should ever be putting his hands on opposing players, period. And it does in fact provide context on why Howard impulsively lost his mind in that instant. Important context in determining what punishment is in order. Which to me a regular season suspension is probably appropriate.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:40 PM ^
There’s no context for your HEAD COACH swinging at anyone.
The only instances I can think of a head coach hitting anyone in any sport are Woody Hayes and Bob Knight, and we all know how that ended.
Some of you sound so ridiculous, Gard grabbed Juwan’s sleeve, so he can swing at some other guy with 4 of his players in the way? My god, imagine the counter factual with Izzo, Urban, Tucker, Underwood, Holtmann, Matta, etc
Juwan is being paid 4m a year to be the responsible person that leads the program, he continues to behave, as a 50 year old man, like he thinks he’s still playing.
It would be embarrassing at any time, but it’s just so much worse when you’re a preseason top 5 team that will be lucky to finish .500 coming off the court after a 13 point loss. Is there really no depth of bullshit/crimes/embarrassment that UM fans won’t defend just because someone in Maize and Blue is doing it? Should Brendan Gibbons coach special teams next year if he’s good at it? Maybe Anderson was a really good doctor, so it’s fine? We getting Frank Clark jerseys? I’m so sick of the UM moral mental gymnastics. It’s like RCMB and Bucknuts around here nowadays. Makes me fucking sick.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:54 PM ^
Lol, you literally gave yourself away as someone who is using the season itself as being disappointing as impacting what punishment is appropriate here. It literally is irrelevant. And you are seriously out of your damn mind if you don't think context does in fact matter when trying to determine appropriate punishment. Woody Hayes straight punched an opposing player out of the blue. No scrum or anything even happening with the two teams. Literally out of the blue. It doesn't excuse Howard from punishment at all but doing that in a actual heated situation after an assistant from the other team is physically putting his hands on your players is not remotely comparable.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:22 AM ^
woody hayes hit a player...clearly unacceptable behavior. howard hit a coach. woody hayes was fired. in no situation short of self defense when at risk of serious harm would what coach howard did be acceptable behavior. it was a stupid situation...and coach howard took it to uber stupid. it sucks. its embarrassing. i really dont care what is done with him....damage is done.
February 21st, 2022 at 1:51 AM ^
What damage? Nobody in the grand scheme of things gives a fuck about college basketball lmao.
February 21st, 2022 at 4:25 AM ^
i actually agree...all sports are fading in importance for many. crap like this just helps it along.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:46 PM ^
Go be soft somewhere else
February 21st, 2022 at 7:44 AM ^
“It would be embarrassing at any time, but it’s just so much worse when you’re a preseason top 5 team that will be lucky to finish .500 coming off the court after a 13 point loss“
And there we have it. This fanbase is so fickle. If we were in the driver’s seat I’d the B1G and this was just a weird Trohl Center upset the narrative would be different for a lot of people.
What Juwan did was wildly unprofessional and deserves punishment and, in my opinion, mandatory anger management treatment. But the sackcloth and ashes instinct is bizarre to me
February 20th, 2022 at 10:48 PM ^
This we were better than this narrative is interesting to me. When was this glorious time? What is the personalization of this event for so many people that this making Michigan look bad?
Juwan should not have handled it how he did and he should be suspended. This is not the end of the Michigan institution.
February 20th, 2022 at 11:02 PM ^
Guess you missed every Tressel, Cardale Jones, Urban Meyer, Larry Nassar, Keith Appling, Terrelle Pryor, Adrian Payne, Jerry Sandusky, Marcus Hall, Dwayne Haskins etc. thread on this board over the last 15 years.
Once again, maybe I’m the asshole for think UM fans were slightly above the fray and tribalism and could see right from wrong, but I’ve never felt further away from the university’s athletics than I do today.
Basketball coach can hit opponents, university can settle a 500m sexual assault lawsuit, and football coach gets a raise after getting rejected by the NFL without a negative peep from certain fans. I’m not even particularly old and I can promise you I’ve witnessed times when moral relativism, disloyalty, and massive out of court settlements weren’t things to be celebrated in Ann Arbor.
February 21st, 2022 at 12:03 AM ^
Did you really say extending Harbuagh is the same black eye as a sexual assault case which they settled and this? Come on man. Do you dislike Dickinson for getting rejected by the NBA when he entered the draft and they gave him a poor grade?
February 21st, 2022 at 12:26 AM ^
pretty sure there was no equating those events....more referring to what they represent as a whole.
February 20th, 2022 at 10:57 PM ^
There aren't that many people on here intensely defending Michigan on the Lewan/Gibbons or Dr. Anderson scandals (a few wrongheaded Bo apologists but they're few and far between and have been thoroughly shouted down). This was an ugly incident but it shouldn't be compared to the others. This was a coach who got caught up in a heated, frustrating moment and reacted to another coach's poor behavior in order to protect his players.