Juwan Interview w Athletic

Submitted by JMo on April 4th, 2024 at 8:57 AM

Juwan sat down and did an interview with B Quinn at The Athletic. If you have a sub, it's definitely worth a look. If you don't, here's some notable highlights.

 

The Juwan Howard interview: Regrets, lost trust and the end of his Michigan coaching career

https://theathletic.com/5385907/2024/04/04/juwan-howard-michigan-end-nba-interview/

 

Sanderson Incident

Howard heard his son Jace Howard yelling at an athletic trainer. Howard says he shouted: “Yo, look, Jace, stop.”

“I’m his father, right?” he says. “He knew that look and knew that voice, right? So he stopped immediately.”

According to Howard, Sanderson got involved, adding: “Jace, you don’t talk to a superior like that!”

“Which is true,” Howard says. “I agree. But then he kept going. Jon said, ‘Jace, that’s bullsh–!’ You don’t talk to a superior that way, this is the sh— I’m talking about.’”

Howard says he called off Sanderson, telling him he was handling it.

Here, according to Howard, Sanderson yelled that he’d recently endured “the same bullsh–” from another player.

Howard says he responded: “Yo, Jon, chill the f— out. I told you I got it.”

Howard says he had no intentions of escalating the tension.

Later

Howard says he cursed at Sanderson, using “a bad choice of words,” and told him to “get the f— out of my gym.”

Howard says Sanderson “tried to come at me and fight,” but assistant coaches Saddi Washington and Eisley held him back. “I was like, whoa, this is serious.

“So then, I say, ‘Forget it, guys, let him go, we’re about to start practice.’ So we go to the other court in the practice facility, circle up like we always do, and went over the practice plan.”

Howard says he called Manuel that night. Sanderson sent his version of events to university human resources, and Manuel advised Howard to do the same.

“Then I come to find out Jon’s email to HR got leaked,” Howard says. “Juwan’s email to HR did not get leaked.”

 

Decision to Coach in 23/24

“I thought I was a Marvel hero, but this was real life stuff I was dealing with, and I was extremely naive,” he says. “I was impatient with the process.”

“You can allow your competitiveness and take control over, you know, what you know in your heart,” Howard says. “If I could go back and do it all over again, I would’ve taken time off to really get help. I should’ve listened more to the doctors and my wife. 

 

The Surgery

“I was scared,” Howard says. “But I never admitted that. I didn’t show it in front of my wife or my family, and I never showed it in front of my staff.”

A Sept. 15 surgery resected an aortic aneurysm and repaired Howard’s aortic valve. That day, the school announced the successful surgery. Howard had told his players only one day earlier, a decision he now regrets.

“I didn’t want to scare the players in a way where they might not want to finish out their years here and enter the transfer portal, or where the players I was recruiting might not want to come,” he says. “To go through and explain if I’m going to be here or not, if I’m going to be coaching. I ultimately decided to keep it close to the vest.”

 

Juwan's Perception Problem

“There was a lot of pressure, a lot of scrutiny, so I kind of created a bubble, where I didn’t let a lot of folks in,” Howard says. “I was super protective. With that, came a lot of criticism. So I lost trust.”

At Michigan, Howard’s public persona was about as limited as any coach in his position.

“Folks really don’t know me at all, whatsoever, and part of that is my fault,” Howard says. “Could I have been more politically correct like some of these other guys at other programs, done a better job of playing that game? Letting the world into my private life? If that would’ve saved my job, then yeah, I should’ve.”

 

NIL

“I’ll say this — we needed help,” Howard says. “I asked for help when it came to the NIL two years ago. We didn’t get the help. It ruffled some feathers with some folks.”

After losing in the 2023 NIT, Howard says he met with Michigan president Santa Ono, Manuel, six regents and a variety of coaches from the athletic department, including representatives from football. Howard said men’s basketball needed to upgrade its locker room, but also needed NIL help. But help never came.

“We lost one of our best players because he felt he wasn’t being valued when it comes to NIL,” Howard says, alluding to All-American center Hunter Dickinson, now at Kansas.

“I didn’t have the resources to go and build a roster for this past season,” he says. “The guys that committed were guys I had past relationships with.

“We had two more scholarships, but as we were going through the recruiting process with other players, we got all the way to third base, but couldn’t bring them home because they were looking for an NIL commitment and I couldn’t offer it.”

While there was NIL money available for players in his program, Howard says the program did not have the support of an aggressive, basketball-focused collective like some other marquee men’s basketball programs. He says he proposed adding a program general manager three years ago but was told “we did not have the funding for a new hire.” 

Howard said he hopes May has more funds available to build a roster.

“He’ll need it.”

 

There's a bunch more... if you don't have a The Athletic sub, I enjoy mine and recommend one. Interesting interview. Will always love Juwan the player. I think its probably best that the team moved on and are on a different trajectory now. I hope for his sake that his legacy isn't painted solely by these last two coaching seasons.

 

 

Indy Pete - Go Blue

April 4th, 2024 at 9:02 AM ^

I hope for his sake that his legacy isn't painted solely by these last two coaching seasons.
 

His legacy is painted far more by the Fab Five, and his immensely successful first couple of seasons including the outright B1G championship and AP National Coach of the year honors. 

JMo

April 4th, 2024 at 9:08 AM ^

Completely agree. Fab Five forever.

Also, I probably should have added this quote too... It's a good ending and Juwan appears to have a good attitude moving forward.

 

“Listen, I’ll forever be a fan of Kim and her program, so I’m going to go and support them,” Howard says. “I’m not going to hide under a freakin’ rock. No way.”

Howard says he’ll likely be at a men’s game next season to support his former players. His son Jace could still be on the team. He’ll be at graduation in the spring.

As far as work goes, Howard has no immediate plans.

“I’m going to focus on my health,” he says. “I’m still in (rehabilitative) therapy. That’s my main priority. I’m not where I want to be health-wise, but I’m getting there.”

He will, in time, return to coaching, most likely in the NBA.

“This is not the end, and it will not be the end-all, be-all of my coaching career,” he says.

Howard says he has “a ton of respect” for May, the coach now occupying his old office, and wishes him well.

“I’m never going to be bitter about the situation and how it ended,” Howard says. “I respect that people have jobs to do. Sometimes in this profession, you have to make tough decisions. I’m not saying this was a tough decision, it was probably an easy decision. Who knows? But I’m a Michigan man through and through. … I’m just sad I’m leaving a lot sooner than I expected to.”

WestQuad

April 4th, 2024 at 9:32 AM ^

Juwan pulled in a lot of guys that he had connections to through his sons and being in basketball, but admissions, the NCAA and NIL screwed him.  He could have been a lot more despite his self-inflicted wounds.

I know everyone is really happy about Dusty May, myself included, but if the NIL and admissions issues aren't fixed:  Fire Warde!   

May will be just as screwed as Howard was.   These FAU guys who are supposedly borderline NBA / Euro-league pros aren't going to come here if there isn't some money.  Think about all of the fab5 shorts and jerseys back in the day.  Now think about how many people have Jett Howard jerseys other than Jett.  Having a good basketball team (and football) pays dividends.

meeashagin

April 4th, 2024 at 10:39 AM ^

How is the NIL better already? 

Losing Dickinson happened. I don't think that had anything to do with Juwan not trying. If anything Juwan leaving allows him to be honest with the fans about why our NIL wasn't in the budget.

 

May was desired by other programs if Michigan don't meet his request he has options, they know this. Juwan was never leaving Michigan, they also knew this.

KRK

April 4th, 2024 at 11:19 AM ^

Juwan also took the job right before NIL, and had to deal with a program that definitely didn't have the underground NIL already in place like some places, and was slow to move on it. That's a tough period in CBB history to be starting as a first time HC. While Juwan definitely made some huge mistakes, he had little room for error compared to JB ten years earlier.

basketballjones

April 4th, 2024 at 1:04 PM ^

May is having meetings non stop to get NIL on track. Something Juwan wasn’t willingly to do. He thought it should be handed to him. He had no understanding he has to go make that happen with appearances and speaking engagements. How many times did Juwan talk to Alumini clubs? Even Jim did that. 
 

Dickinson blamed NIL. Easy to do with leaving somewhere. I ask you even with NIL and what Juwan put together as the roster does he stay??? 

KRK

April 4th, 2024 at 1:22 PM ^

The point is that no one knew how to navigate NIL and Michigan was not interested in participating in NIL for the first couple of years. That was not Juwan's fault. He could have done as many alumni events as possible, that money wasn't going to go to the players in the form of NIL. Warde made that very clear. So while his efforts later on can be questioned, it's also on Michigan and the AD for not being prepared and not having a plan in place to help. Juwan made a lot of mistakes. He also took his first HC gig right before the most monumental changes (NIL and Transfers) hit the sport. And he was at a university that cringed at both of those concepts, compared to most programs. Some of it is Juwan's fault, some of it is Warde and AD's fault, some of it is the university leaderships fault, and some of it is awful timing and a screwed up CBB model. 

Blame Pie. Everyone gets a piece.

I do wonder what the program looks like if JB was still the coach through the start of NIL. Or  if Juwan had been HC 5 years prior to NIL and had more of a chance to establish a program and get in with recruits.

cbs650

April 4th, 2024 at 4:12 PM ^

Looks like Juwan was putting in work and was shut down at every turn. Tell him their was no funding for dedicated basketball collective and telling him their wasn't money for a new GM position for basketball. No amount of "work" by Juwan was gonna change that. Sam has been peddling that bs narrative. 

jmblue

April 4th, 2024 at 12:07 PM ^

I have no desire to pile on Howard (and respect how he has handled this) but to say that “admissions screwed him” overlooks that he made the choice to gamble, two years in a row, on transfer candidates that were uncertain to graduate.  Moreover, he did so without any clear backup options in case they were denied.  Those were choices he made.  

If he was promised that Shannon/Love would be admitted, even if they didn’t graduate, then yes, I’d say he was screwed.  But that seems very unlikely.  

His roster management in general was not great (why recruit so few guards?).  We brought in too many one-and-done players, which forced us to have to reload each offseason.  Last summer we brought in three transfers and that still wasn’t sufficient for our roster needs.  That really shouldn’t be the case for a program in a coach’s fifth year.

He may be better off in the pros where he can focus on coaching and let his GM handle player acquisition.  

pescadero

April 4th, 2024 at 1:05 PM ^

1) Admissions is fine. Credits transferring is the issue - and that has nothing at all to do with admissions.

2) The credit transfer setup is easier than it has ever been, and the limits are exactly what they have been since I started school at U of M in 1993. This was not a new, unknown situation.

 

3) The University can't do NIL.That is what private collectives are for... and the way you get lots of NIL money? The coach is personable and schmoozes and kisses butt with big money donors.

MaizeBlueA2

April 4th, 2024 at 9:15 AM ^

Did you read? Juwan said himself that it escalated beyond "yo, chill"

WTF are you talking about? 

While I'll never believe either person's one side of a story, it is very plausible that he said, "yo, chill" and Sanderson didn't...and Juwan fired back and it ended up in a heated argument with guys being held back.

Also, in many ways, Juwan is his boss...if your boss is saying "yo, chill" and you don't...and then you add that it's two alphas in public where people feel the need to assert power, then you add that someone's kid is involved, then you add the frustrations of a losing season, then you add that this kid has done the same thing to "authority figures" in the past.

 

Yeah, that's a recipe for disaster. 

bronxblue

April 4th, 2024 at 9:20 AM ^

I mean, he literally  says more in the next paragraph of the article so either (a) you didn't read it, in which case I'd be careful about betting with people, or (b) you did and just don't care about being wrong, which again is a bad approach if you're gambling.

People are allowed to dislike Juwan Howard and think he's a bad coach but it's sort of crazy how everyone reads a biased, lawyerly letter from Sanderson's people and assume it's the 100% unvarnished truth and then read Howard's words and assume he's full of shit.

trueblueintexas

April 4th, 2024 at 3:27 PM ^

Is it hard to believe racism exists? There are people who never will support Juwan because of the color of his skin.  That's reality.  It should not be unreasonable to mention race as a potential issue when people are taking sides on two accounts of a situation. 

Why should Sanderson's version of events be perceived as any closer to what really happened than Juwan's? For me, the real question is why Sanderson's account was leaked while Juwan's wasn't? 

How do you know if Sanderson is an aggressive person that crossed a line? You imply it in your comment. Just because you haven't seen it on camera during the 18 seconds a game Sanderson is in the background, doesn't mean he doesn't have his own issues. Yet, your narrative is one guy has issues while the other doesn't. Experience would say S&C coaches have a tendency to be aggressive personalities who push people. Is it so hard to believe Sanderson could have been the one who escalated the situation?

goblu330

April 4th, 2024 at 7:04 PM ^

Any number of traits or characteristics could have played into why these guys got into it, or why people believe one over the other.  But believe it or not, there are honestly a lot of people who no longer think in terms of race with the attached stereotypes that you identify.  This country has made a lot of progress.  More so than people would believed 60 years ago.  It is time we celebrate the progress.  We don’t have to talk about the bad anymore.  It is a choice to do so.  Let’s stop making it.

bronxblue

April 4th, 2024 at 2:34 PM ^

Perhaps, but that's the type of action that can get you fired and, depending on who did it and why, possibly exposed to legal consequences.  That's a big risk to take to grease the wheels for a firing that everyone sort of saw coming.

It's way more likely that Sanderson or his lawyer leaked it because he knew it would make him more sympathetic and increase the chances and size of a settlement.

BroadneckBlue21

April 4th, 2024 at 3:43 PM ^

"His track record in heated moments" is a cop out. He's had one moment where he crossed the line (Wisconsin), and that was unfortunate. If he doesn't do that, any of the other moments he had were "Well, that's just how Coach K/Coach Izzo/Coach Brendan Gleason Underwood/Frank Martin/Pearl/Sean Miller is showing his passion" moments.  He said he used some bad language, and I bet his tone was angry and stern when he said "yo, chill." That doesn't mean he's some angry violent guy.   lolhehehelol

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MaizeBlueA2

April 4th, 2024 at 9:19 AM ^

It has already been reported that its not the first time Jace popped off at staff.

"This is the shit I'm talking about" is confirmed as being about Sanderson's view of the culture of the program and Jace (and others) doing things like this that are signs of issues in the program.

There is pretty much a consensus on that part. Everyone understood what he meant when he said that.  He felt like the programs values had eroded and this was yet another sign.

MaizeBlueA2

April 4th, 2024 at 9:42 AM ^

I'll add, that it's probably the wrong thing to say to your boss in the heat of the moment...even if you are 100% correct (which, in my opinion, he absolutely was - listen to Coach Herb's recent presser if you disagree).

*BUT* when you say that in front of people it implies that Juwan *isn't* doing anything about it (and he very well may not have been). But he's telling you, "chill out, I got this." And he's clearly trying to diffuse the situation in the moment.

By Sanderson saying that in that setting, he's actually (unintentionally) saying..."no, you don't."

And boom, now it's not even about Jace anymore. Now it's about authority. 

This is why I never just rely on any one POV.  Words have meaning and context and the situation they're in, it's ripe for misinterpretation.

You can't show up Howard in that moment, no matter how right you are.

On the flip side, Juwan has to turn around and say, "Jon, you need to leave, right now. I'll see you in my office in 5 minutes (or after practice) and we can talk about it then."

I'm guessing Juwan didn't say that, if he did...I'd be willing to bet that he would've repeated it in this article. You don't tend to forget when you're "in the right." You omit when you were "in the wrong."

The rest of the situation is blurry, but one can assume Juwan responded with some variation of, "who the fuck are you talking to?!"

Which, yeah, that ain't going over well either.

 

...and for all the talk about the program culture from the players, one of the things I wonder is about the program culture from the coaches and staff. I'd argue two program leaders arguing in the training room says just as much as a "spoiled 20 year old" popping off to an adult. If not more.

4th phase

April 4th, 2024 at 10:16 AM ^

Yeah I think maybe the narrative on this blog has gotten a little too harsh on Jace. Maybe I missed something he did, but from what I've gathered, he was frustrated that his injury was misdiagnosed and it pretty much cost him his senior season. People in all walks of life get pretty upset at doctors that misdiagnose them, including insulting them, so I don't really fault him for doing something people on this blog have likely done.

Ernis

April 4th, 2024 at 10:24 AM ^

Reading between the lines of Juwan’s version, he clearly wasn’t addressing things proactively and he basically admits it, albeit indirectly. You’re right, he needed to take command of that situation and he didn’t. While I agree it’s really bad form to upstage your boss, the reality may well have been, Jon was working in a pattern of behavior where trying to get a private 1:1 meeting with Juwan to talk it over it wouldn’t have gone anywhere or been effective. Juwan may have routinely avoided or not followed through on such discussions or confrontations until they became entirely unavoidable. Given the emotionally defensive posturing Juwan admits to, I would bet on that being the case. 

So while this kind of escalation is not desirable, I’m not sure how meaningful it is to place blame on subordinates- they’re acting in the environment, based on the largely invisible/informal incentive structures in place, and when things don’t get addressed proactively, these kinds of blow-ups are the expected result. Every system is perfectly designed to get the results that it gets. 

los barcos

April 4th, 2024 at 2:32 PM ^

Yes, sure, there is a way to provide that feedback to your boss. Saying "this is the shit I am talking about [that's wrong with the program]" in front of a group of players, coaches, and your boss -- isn't that way. 

BroadneckBlue21

April 4th, 2024 at 3:47 PM ^

"It has already been reported" by anonymous sources (cough, cough, Sanderson). 

Like others have said, this whole worship of one guy's truth or the other guy's truth is ludicrous. It can be true that Sanderson overstepped his position and said some shitty things and that Howard, too, responded in shitty fashion.