Which camp are you in if Harbaugh leaves?

Submitted by MichiganiaMan on January 14th, 2024 at 2:58 PM

With day that passes w/o the announcement of an extension, I grow more convinced that Coach Harbaugh is heading back to the NFL. I’m guessing that the fanbase will separate along these fault lines:

1) Those who say Harbaugh was compelled to scratch the NFL itch, and he simply couldn’t resist that any longer. Vs…

2) Those who turn their ire toward Warde, believing he failed to protect and elevate Michigan football and should be pushed out.

My question: Which of these camps would you see yourself falling into?

 

nb

January 14th, 2024 at 3:06 PM ^

Warde’s sloth is absurd. He shouldn’t have let it get into the season, regardless of the NCAA stuff. Price goes up nearly 50% w a Natty and can’t even close him.

Funny thing is the incentive laden deal was better for Harbaugh so he didn’t care.

The Truth Hurts

January 14th, 2024 at 3:22 PM ^

What do you want Warde to do?  Should he put a gun to Jim's head and make him sign a contract?  Do you need him to just say fuck it and start a public search for a new HC even though he already have one?  Do Warde need to start a Tik Tok video asking Jim to come back everyday? There isn't anything Warde can do but wait.  Also Warde just won a Natty as AD at The University of Michigan Lol

AWAS

January 14th, 2024 at 3:07 PM ^

I'm in the camp that says binary options are false choices.  Our fanbase is far more sophisticated than the OP gives it credit for, and thinks in more nuanced ways.

MJ14

January 14th, 2024 at 4:08 PM ^

I know people are going to hate this, but what Warde did was actually counter productive. He basically called out Harbaugh publicly for not signing. Said he was doing everything he could to get him to sign. So now if Harbaugh leaves Warde can tell donors he did everything he could and he can blame Harbaugh. 

gbdub

January 14th, 2024 at 4:33 PM ^

So you’d rather he come out and say “Yeah we’re sitting on our asses to see what Harbaugh wants to do” or “meh, we can take or leave him, so we aren’t giving him good offers”? That seems way more counterproductive (especially if it’s false). 

BOLEACH7

January 14th, 2024 at 3:08 PM ^

Jim Harbaugh needs to do what’s best for him and his family… he did what he was brought here to do … beat the hairless nuts , restore the program to be amongst the best in college football and most importantly to win a National Championship … he has set a foundation for further excellence… whether Warde or the regents or the lawyers are at fault or made it so Jim felt he had no choice but to leave we may never know unless someone speaks !!! Don’t want to read any bs that he owes us , he owes us nothing, he endured shit beyond shit in 2020 and I as well questioned whether he  had reached the end … GO BLUE !!!’ 

jonnyknox

January 14th, 2024 at 5:07 PM ^

I have never lost confidence in Harbaugh and even in 2020 there was so much that was out of everyones control.  It was always hard to envision who would be a better fit for UM than him. 

it seems that the turning point was getting competent QB play.  McNamara and JJ were such upgrades at the position compared to Milton, Patterson O'Korn etc.   

Jay-Z

January 14th, 2024 at 3:08 PM ^

It’s hard to blame Warde if Harbaugh’s goal is to win the Super Bowl. Sometimes when something happens in life it’s not anyone’s fault. Harbaugh delivered one of the greatest championships in school history. If he wants to pursue the NFL, he has earned that right. Harbaugh built a great infrastructure with the current staff and players on the team. It will continue on with or without him. 

djmagic

January 14th, 2024 at 3:11 PM ^

Is there a Choice 3?

between those two, i'd be more in camp 1 - he accomplished what he came to Ann Arbor to do, and if he still has that yearning to win a Superbowl, on the heels of a National Championship seems like a great time to go chase that dream.

schreibee

January 14th, 2024 at 7:17 PM ^

Is that a serious question? Like, at all?

If a valued employee leaves for another position, no matter the reason, then the boss didn't do everything they could to keep them.

But I'm not neutral in this - I said Jim would leave after the season, title or no title, because the school imposed 3-game suspension was a show of no support. Then the saber rattling impotence that followed the B10 suspension was just an embarrassment to us all, really...

gbdub

January 14th, 2024 at 11:14 PM ^

Jim Harbaugh was not totally innocent in turning Burgergate from a two day story about level two violations into a 12 month story with possible serious penalties - the 3 game suspension was damage control. Yeah, NCAA is a bunch of shitty corrupt cops with an agenda, but I mean, do you really not believe Harbaugh is capable of pissing off an investigator by being stubborn and uncooperative?

As for the lawsuit against the Big Ten, it was only “saber rattling” because Partridge screwed the pooch. I fully believe they would have taken that all the way if there wasn’t a serious concern of more stuff coming down the pipe and they wanted to get everyone to stop digging. 

Nickel

January 14th, 2024 at 3:20 PM ^

If it happens (which I assume will), I'd be in your first camp.

I mean, if your significant other shows up on a dating site year after year after year.... you should have hopefully figured out that they've got an itch to scratch and they're going to leave eventually.

turfguy38

January 14th, 2024 at 3:24 PM ^

Has Warde made a good hire since becoming the AD? Women's basketball, maybe? If Jim leaves, it's a failure on Warde to keep him. I'm not saying that Warde is a bad person, but at some point it needs to be argued whether or not he is a worthy AD at Michigan. 

So, I'm in both camps but I feel that Jim would like to stay. ( that's my gut feeling as I have no idea what Jim is thinking)

mgolund

January 14th, 2024 at 3:29 PM ^

Silly to take a side when we don’t know all the dynamics or what the sticking point is. Given that basically nothing insiders have told us has come to pass, I point no credence in any of the rumors about why the process has not progressed.

For whatever it’s worth, JJ joined the crowd yesterday in cheering for 10 more years for Harbaugh. 

1VaBlue1

January 14th, 2024 at 3:31 PM ^

I've said this a couple of times - if Harbaugh leaves Warde is taking all the blame, rightly or wrongly.  Regardless of the reason he goes, to scratch a Super Bowl itch or whatever of a thousand other possible reasons, the bad press Warde consumed throughout SignGate and the forced 3 games for Cheeseburgers before the NCAA ruled anything, is going to do him in.  Warde can't win...

Lets be serious, the fanbase turned on him in the Spring with cheeseburgers.  Signs only amplified the bd pub.  There are more posts here calling for him to be fired than not by a 3:1 ratio (in my informal observations).  If Harbaugh leaves, 4 of 5 rando fans are going to blame Warde and call for his firing.  If JH says anything about the NCAA uncertainty on the way out, Warde won't be able to survive the fan reaction.

Doesn't matter what Warde does, he's going to eat the blame.

mackbru

January 14th, 2024 at 3:32 PM ^

If he leaves, I a) won’t blame Warde because it has nothing to do with him and B) be a little annoyed at Harbaugh and JJ for not declaring their intentions to leave sooner because they’re leaving us behind the 8-ball for next year. 

1WhoStayed

January 14th, 2024 at 4:39 PM ^

be a little annoyed at Harbaugh and JJ for not declaring their intentions to leave sooner because they’re leaving us behind the 8-ball for next year.
 

WTF? Harbaugh can’t “declare his intention” to coach in the NFL until there is AN OFFER for the NFL! Is he supposed to say “I’m hoping to go back to the NFL” without a job offer? How the fuck would that even work? Are you an idiot?

As for JJ, WTF was he supposed to do? Declare for the NFL during the playoffs? It’s been less that ONE WEEK since he helped M win a National Championship. Give the kid some fucking space. He deserves to decide on his own timeline. 
 

So, basically your problem is that M just won the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP and that delayed pursuit of the future for JJ and JH!

You people make me laugh.

SalvatoreQuattro

January 14th, 2024 at 3:32 PM ^

Warde’s job becomes untenable if Harbaugh leaves. People will, rightly or wrongly, blame him for Harbaugh’s departure.

Then there is his track record of hires. Mel and Juwan. Yikes.

I suspect that a committee will be set up to hire next HC. Thus removing, at least publicly, Warde from the hiring process.

It will probably be Moore as all the possible quality candidates will have been hired.

BananaRepublic

January 14th, 2024 at 3:33 PM ^

I think there is very clearly an opportunity to keep harbaugh here with the right terms and I have absolutely no issue giving Jim whichever terms he wants. I'm not sure why that isn't the admin's position, short of allowing him full control of academic operations at the school.

ShawarmaChameleon

January 14th, 2024 at 3:33 PM ^

NFL still has to want him, which we haven't really seen evidence of yet (NFL media certainly does). He's 20-25 years older than the guys most teams are hiring for head coaches and GM jobs. He's (wrongly) viewed as a caveman offense guy. And — at least at this stage — the reporting seems more "this would be super interesting from a media perspective" than "he's got a done deal" - unless the Chargers are running the most diligent, air-tight coaching search in the history of NFL football and elaborately conning everyone by interviewing a broad swath of the conventional candidates. 

jonnyknox

January 14th, 2024 at 3:34 PM ^

I certainly am not going to blame Warde Manuel.  I can imagine that Jim wants to make sure his last contract is one that suits his family too.  

I am worried that he might leave but its seems like more than a 50% probability that he stays.