Urban lost 32 games in 18 college seasons. O/U on how long it takes him to lose 32 NFL games?
First of all, that's an incredible stat. The guy's an incredible coach in every dimension, and an equally vile person. But the NFL is such a different animal. Like the 49ers, a team can have dismal losing season sandwiching a near Super Bowl victory, all hinging on some luck and an injury or two. It's an interesting experiment that we've all wanted to see play out for quite a while. My prediction: he's on pace for 32 losses in season 3 (something like 4-12, 6-10), but won't make it that long before he runs for the hills.
January 15th, 2021 at 5:01 AM ^
give the devil his credit, i bet he does okay. let's put it this way, he will 'retire' again in 3 years and won't have racked up 32 losses by then.
January 15th, 2021 at 7:33 AM ^
He won't be as bad as Matt Patricia, and his record after 3 years was 13 - 29 - 1.
January 15th, 2021 at 8:43 AM ^
My thoughts almost exactly. He’ll quit long before he gets that many losses, whether it’s after 2 or 3 or 8 seasons is my only question.
January 15th, 2021 at 11:57 AM ^
We know it won't be 8 seasons. His MO has been...
Hired by Florida, coach 6 seasons, things get sketchy, retire for health reasons.
2 years off
Hired by ohio state, coach 6 seasons, things get sketchy, retire for health reasons.
2 years off
Hired by Jacksonville... you know the rest.
January 15th, 2021 at 11:26 AM ^
That’s legitimately one of the most horrifying things I’ve ever seen. And what the fuck is on the right side of his nose?
January 15th, 2021 at 11:33 AM ^
not a photoshopped picture
January 15th, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^
:-) correct. MSPaint.
January 15th, 2021 at 12:04 PM ^
32 losses over 17 years is unreal. I tend to think Meyer will adapt X’s and O’s and do well in the NFL grinder. However, there is a reason Jax has the 1st pick. Plus coaching grown ass men who are pros is far different than the college coaching god complex many of these guys get. Factor in Meyer burning hot and heavy with a short shelf life. 5 year max is my guess. And at that time his losses will be at exactly 32.
Take it to the bank.
January 15th, 2021 at 12:10 PM ^
I prefer credit unions. But thanks.
January 15th, 2021 at 12:15 PM ^
Completely agree. He won't stick around long enough to lose 32 and he'll be just good enough not to lose that many in three seasons.
January 16th, 2021 at 6:17 PM ^
Exactly. Why the obsession with his failure? Michigan needs to focus on Michigan.
January 16th, 2021 at 6:17 PM ^
Exactly. Why the obsession with his failure? Michigan needs to focus on Michigan.
January 15th, 2021 at 5:23 AM ^
3.5 seasons feels about right for over/under to get to 32 losses.
January 15th, 2021 at 5:27 AM ^
Who cares. He’s a douche
January 15th, 2021 at 5:45 AM ^
Come on dude. It's a question that's just for fun. No need to be a Urban Meyer canoe about it.
January 15th, 2021 at 9:10 AM ^
So what if ends up being six seasons?, like 7–9, 9–7, 12–4, 11–5, 13–3, 12–4
Can't stand him at all, but why are we obsessed?
He is definitely an evil human being, but also seems to be a somewhat competent one.
January 15th, 2021 at 10:47 AM ^
Can we commit to making Urban Meyer Canoe a thing?
January 15th, 2021 at 5:59 AM ^
His medical issues will show up before he loses that many games and will have to retire again.
January 15th, 2021 at 7:10 AM ^
Agree.
January 15th, 2021 at 9:54 AM ^
Based on his time at Florida and OSU, it seems that his medical problems mysteriously manifest themselves only around year 6 of his tenure.
January 15th, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^
Depends on how hot the cheerleaders are in Jacksonville.
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So yeah, probably some health issues relatively quickly.
It's not like he can get in trouble for paying his players or letting them do whatever they want.
January 15th, 2021 at 10:19 AM ^
Yep, he'll start having medical issues in his 3rd year especially if that douchebag starts out poorly. Not very hard to see his predictable pattern
January 15th, 2021 at 6:08 AM ^
Early in his 5th year.
January 15th, 2021 at 6:08 AM ^
For as good of a coach as he is, I have a hard time seeing him succeeding in the NFL. First, his system is not particularly NFL-friendly. It worked great in college for a long time, but I don't think he can have success with it against NFL defenses. And even in college, by the time he left OSU his system was pretty well figured out. Don Brown shut it down in the 1.5 games he faced it (it was Day's Haskins/Fields-led passing spread, not Urban's Barrett-led running spread, that shredded Brown's defense), Clemson shut it down, MSU shut it down when Dantonio had the horses. By the end of his tenure, Urban was largely getting by on trotting out superior talent (he was a master recruiter), and things like attention to detail.
Now maybe he can be a successful CEO type coach, putting things like his attention to detail to good use and having great assistants to guide strategy and playcalling. It just seems like so much of what made him successful won't translate to the NFL. Recruiting is irrelevant, the offensive schemes that he's used throughout his career likely won't work, etc. So while this is a great hire for Michigan, getting him away from OSU's orbit, I just don't think it's going to work out for the Jags...
January 15th, 2021 at 7:24 AM ^
"Recruiting is irrelevant. ." Agree, major difference. The college football bag man won't have enough money to help old Urbs. NFL salary levels, bonuses, agents, and salary caps level that field. And, the negotiation and exchange of big money is a celebrated, important aspect of the NFL's media presence. It's the opposite of "under the table."
Then, there's always the player's union to keep at bay, negating possible management or coaching threats that could be used as leverage at the college level. Finally, the NFL's pristine "morals clause" will likely keep his favored "teams of crooks" a thing of the past. Could be an interesting, entertaining experiment.
January 15th, 2021 at 7:41 AM ^
it's true that salary caps, bonuses etc. level the playing field in terms of personnel availability...but that makes retention of talent even more important. we're talking about professional athletes that will almost always go for the best deal, but they also go for amenities. think the pistons, being the first team to fly on a private jet rather than commercial - that was a huge draw at the time.
there are reports that urb was looking for upgrades to jacksonville facilities which, if true, makes me thing he gets it in terms of getting and retaining talent. it's not "recruiting," per se, but it matters.
January 15th, 2021 at 10:36 AM ^
The Jags had 11 picks last year and they have 10 this year. (two 1st rounds two 2nd rounders) including 1st overall, likely Trevor Lawrence - who looks pretty can't miss. Plus they have a ton of cap space.
This means he'll probably have a really young team team that could buy into his cheerleadership style. "If you have something thing to prove, the evidence will come out when you play."
Saban's "Process" didn't translate to the NFL. It will be interesting to see if Meyers, "Culture of Leaders" does.
January 15th, 2021 at 11:11 AM ^
i'm not sure what you mean by "cheerleadership." if you mean a rah-rah type, i don't know if that's urban meyer...or, at the least, i don't think of him as necessarily a player-friendly guy.
i'm also not so sure that saban's style didn't translate...yes, they finished 6-10 in his second (final) season, but there was reason to think they were on the up - they had a terrible start due in some part to his owner signing daunte culpepper over a trade for drew brees, and once culpepper (inevitably) flamed out he was trotting out joey harrington and cleo lemon. then he was gone.
i mean, you can make the case that he took off because it wasn't working, and that might be true, but i'd grade his pro resume as INC rather than a straight D or F. we'll never know.
January 15th, 2021 at 6:23 AM ^
We'll see. Obvious he's an elite college coach but that doesn't always translate. Chip Kelly was pretty highly regarded and he did just ok with the Eagles. The Jags are a mess right now so he'll probably lose 10+ his first season
January 15th, 2021 at 6:28 AM ^
32 games.
January 15th, 2021 at 6:47 AM ^
He won't last long enough to lose 32 games. Matt Patricia was an absolute nightmare and he only lost 29 games in three years.
January 15th, 2021 at 7:42 AM ^
good heavens. comparing urban meyer to matt patricia is...well, it's an opinion, i guess.
January 15th, 2021 at 7:50 AM ^
You're completely missing his point. He's saying that Meyer won't be around long enough to lose that many games. He'll either leave on his own, or be fired, like Patricia.
January 15th, 2021 at 9:46 AM ^
i stand by my point. bringing matt patricia into a discussion of urban meyer, on almost literally level, makes no sense. they're practically different species.
January 15th, 2021 at 6:48 AM ^
He will have "medical" issues and retire before he hits 32 losses.
January 15th, 2021 at 12:19 PM ^
Not sure about Florida but at OSU he had legit medical issues.
January 15th, 2021 at 1:28 PM ^
So legitimate that he is coaching on the world’s biggest football stage less than 3 years later...
January 15th, 2021 at 6:54 AM ^
He won't. He'll jump ship before he ever gets there.
January 15th, 2021 at 6:58 AM ^
5 seasons, maybe 6.
The jaguars really aren't that far off. They were very close to winning 6 games. They beat the colts their first game of the year. The rest of the year, they had games against Tennessee, Houston, green Bay, cleveland, and Minnesota. In just those combined games they lost by only a total of 14 points. The almost beat three playoff teams and did beat one in the colts.
Maybe he likes Garner Minshew and they trade the top pick for a boat load of picks. Hshould be the type of quarterback who could run his system.
They can draft Lawrence and they'll have a total of 4 draft picks in the first 45.
They can trade down. I don't believe in fields but maybe he does. That first pick is worth a lot this year.
He has a lot of options to go with this team.
January 15th, 2021 at 9:37 AM ^
I'm pretty sure if the issue of Minshew vs. Lawrence came up at any point during the interview, and Meyer indicated he was willing to hitch his career to Minshew, he would have received a handshake and politely been shown the door.
January 15th, 2021 at 12:20 PM ^
I only saw 1 JAX game this year, but Minshew seemed...adequate. He's no Brees or Mahomes but I don't think we know if Lawrence or Fields are either.
Both of those guys have so much talent around them it's hard to judge how much is them and how much is the team.
January 15th, 2021 at 7:19 AM ^
At Florida and OSU, he had passionate fan bases and media that didn’t help things much. In Jacksonville though, might the health issues be kept at bay for a bit? How excited are Jacksonville’s 55 or so fans that they got this big name guy, what seems like a franchise QB coming in with him, and will bask in that while taking some on the chin?
So far, I’ve seen only speculation as to some of the names that might join him. Chris Ash, Charlie Strong, Meyer’s son-in-law (OSU QB coach, though he’s only done that for 1 year), Coombs, Mattison, and some important department guys, specifically in recruiting. Meyer’s success is going to be dependent to a large degree on who he gets on his coaching staff.
January 15th, 2021 at 7:31 AM ^
4 or 5 years. I think he makes the playoffs by year 3.
Just need the Day to PHI news
January 15th, 2021 at 7:48 AM ^
Season 3.
January 15th, 2021 at 7:50 AM ^
I am taking the under.
- He will either be unsuccessful and quit or get fired before 32 losses.
- He will be successful, win a lot, but retire due to health reasons before 32 losses.
Either way, he is getting out before he loses that many games.
January 15th, 2021 at 7:57 AM ^
O/u set to 4.5
January 15th, 2021 at 7:58 AM ^
Urban Meyer has always been strategic in the jobs he has taken to set himself up for success. I think this one is going to depend more on if Trevor Lawrence (or whoever they select if they trade down) pans out. Urban is probably betting that Lawrence is a once in a generation talent like Peyton Manning. If he is right, I will take the over on season 3 and put it at season 4 or 5.
January 15th, 2021 at 8:13 AM ^
He won’t last long enough to get there.
January 15th, 2021 at 8:15 AM ^
I could see Urban actually doing pretty well in Jacksonville. I think for a guy with his intensity and need for complete control, the majority of NFL franchises would not be a good fit - Jacksonville being one of the few exceptions.
The Jags have a boat load of picks and a boat load of cash. He is a proven excellent evaluator of talent, so I anticipate he is going to stockpile some good players.
As much as I can't stand the guy, he is a hell of a football coach. As long as he doesn't lose the locker room or clash to much with the front office, I think his teams will be competitive.
O/U on seasons to reach 32 losses? I'll say 3.5