Urban Analysis Big Ten Network-OSU pass game vs Michigan
I found this segment on Big Ten Network interesting. Needless to say it’s not flattering for Don Brown or our defensive backfield.
On the 2 and 19 crossing route Urban comes close to an out loud wtf moment on our coverage scheme saying five times it’s 2nd and 19. It may not be the play call but the depth of coverage is foolish. think Don Brown had a similar moment against Iowa as well that almost cost us.
We also got punked on the Olave drop. Between bad decisions, broken coverages and safeties getting beat deep it’s not pretty.
We have enough talent to not let this happen.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:01 AM ^
This guy needs to get a job asap so he can stop helping OSU with coaching and recruiting. Go to FSU already.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:13 AM ^
FSU literally can’t afford him. They’re broke.
Jerry is gonna have to get him.
oh and fire Kenpom Don
December 7th, 2019 at 11:19 AM ^
He is pointing out and breaking down the film after the game was played. If anything it should be helping brown learn how to coach defense.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
Ok. But if you think OSUs most successful coach is not helping their football team still then idk what to tell you.
December 7th, 2019 at 4:21 PM ^
Of course he is. He’s literally on the OSU payroll as an associate athletic director.
December 7th, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^
He’s been breaking down and point out the film all season, and providing that information to Day and the staff... don’t sit there and pretend this is the first time he’s taken a look at Michigan’s defense and that he wouldn’t slip Day the notes.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:28 AM ^
FSU just hired Norvell
December 7th, 2019 at 1:39 PM ^
Who TF is that
December 7th, 2019 at 1:47 PM ^
Not a great hire IMO. Temple put it on that team this year. At the next level from Group of 5 that guy gonna get got.
December 7th, 2019 at 1:49 PM ^
I agree.
Didn't their previous coach go to VT? Not exactly working out so swell there
December 7th, 2019 at 5:36 PM ^
Justin Fuente was very popular for a moment.
December 7th, 2019 at 2:53 PM ^
Meh, who knows. We said the same about Cajun Hoke. It's FSU...so if he can cheat up to their standards and hire a couple good coordinators they will be in good shape. Juggernaut Clemson of course standing in the way, but the rest of the league is shit.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:07 AM ^
If our offense indeed starts to establish itself as a legit modern college football offense, we need to start playing Iowa defense.
There is no need anymore to risk getting burned once every 5 plays for a TD.
We no longer need to go for the homerun every single play, and risk giving up a homerun almost as often.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:15 AM ^
Ah so bend don't break. Man I remember when we had one of those and everyone just complained about it non-stop. Gotta love UM fans, damned of you do, damned if you don't.
Scheme isn't the issue, it's discipline (and talent at certain positions). Iowa plays disciplined, fundamentally sound football within their scheme. UM played like a high school team against OSU, constantly getting out of positition and being undisciplined. Doesn't matter what style you run, if you're doing that crap against a top two offense, with NFL talent at every position, whose entire existence is to beat you, you're going to get lambasted.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^
I’ve never been a fan of the “bend don’t break” style of D. Don Brown’s D has proven to be a force and seems like a great model.
It’s possible the players were coached not to play their man coverage on the same level but clearly there is some situational improvement to be made. The safety busts this year were brutal and need to go away.
Listening to that imbecile Dinardo half laughing at us is not fun.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:47 AM ^
There is nothing Don Brown can do about it because the talent is not there to compete against OSU.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:47 AM ^
Agree on safety play. Losing Hawkins I think hurt more than we realize. Brown was forced to simplify things for Dax which put a lot more on Hudson, forcing him to play at safety level much more, where he struggles at times. I think it also hurt Metellus because he was worried about covering for potential missed assignments by other guys and in turn missed his own assignments.
December 7th, 2019 at 12:39 PM ^
You are absolutely right Rockin. JM was in deep half responsibilities when he got beat twice for TDs. He just used very poor technique.
Iowa's safeties are in deep half or deep quarter coverage often. They just play better technique. That's the difference.
December 7th, 2019 at 1:51 PM ^
Upvoted.
Those were great years ?
Concurrent with Narduzzi’s roided up crew in EL.
Just awful on the board. Not as bad as now, but awful.
December 7th, 2019 at 3:05 PM ^
The issue is pressuring the QB and stopping the run. Football comes down to blocking/shedding blocks and tackling. That starts at DL. You can run any scheme you want if you can stop the run and pressure the QB.
December 7th, 2019 at 4:03 PM ^
The problem is you can be a little of both. On the 2nd and 19 play, you should be in some form of zone coverage that keeps everything in front of you. That was Urban’s point. The defensive call was mind boggling given the situation. Even a successful play for the offense should have resulted in a 3rd and 10, but instead they burn the man to man and convert with a chunk play.
December 8th, 2019 at 2:14 AM ^
He didn't say man was the problem. The problem was they ran into each other.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:21 AM ^
Doing that definitely gives us an extra win against Penn State.
December 7th, 2019 at 8:01 PM ^
We had all the pieces at one time or another, but never all at once. Matellus, Paye, Dwumfor, Hudson, and Gray are solid. But, solid is not good enough to match up against OSU. If instead we had Peppers, Charlton, Hurst, Bush, and Lewis it would work just fine. We've had the players, but just not enough of them on one team. We always have strengths, but there are always holes that can be exploited against superior teams.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:16 AM ^
Will not miss Metellus. Dax is a huge upgrade with a year under his belt.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:30 AM ^
I think Josh had his "poster" moment(s) in this game. Every freaking touchdown included him in the frame as the Buckeye crossed the goal line.
Urban on NFL coverage talks about finding the fish who is the weak link in the defense. He found it last year and Day found it this year in Metellus.
December 7th, 2019 at 12:57 PM ^
I don't think he was healthy. Very early on, he was down after a play and limped off the field a bit. He came back on but I suspect he was slowed.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:41 AM ^
I cringed when during season Metellus would get praise in these parts, especially from the writers on this blog ...
December 7th, 2019 at 12:19 PM ^
Metellus worked just fine against most of the teams on our schedule. OSU and Hamler exposed his deficiencies in athleticism that caused him to be a middling recruit in the first place.
December 7th, 2019 at 12:29 PM ^
Funny how OSU torched us like that last year. What's the definition of insanity?
Would have loved to see the Michigan defense hold OSU to under 40 points this year, but there was no answer.
December 7th, 2019 at 12:50 PM ^
Yup. People fall for that UFR crap all the time. The same writers said Ruiz was elite and he turned out average at best but the sheep kept eating it up.
December 7th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^
Ahhh so you're the expert then! Look forward to your UFR-type analysis.
No. No I don't. Go away.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:21 AM ^
Foolish is a good way of putting it. Blitzing 5 on 2nd and 19 and you got 9 guys within 2 yards of the line of scrimmage with a single high safety? Seems to me like this would be an okay call on 3rd and medium. Either way, the play got blown up because two of our guys were on the same level and didn't give each other room to maneuver around one another.
December 7th, 2019 at 12:05 PM ^
The real question, the one that nobody can answer and Meyer neglects to discuss, is what would have happened if they DID NOT collide and leave the crosser blindingly open? It might have been a great play in the Fields would have had to hesitate and drop is eyes allowing the rush to get to him. Now it’s 3rd and forever and you can sit back.
So many “almost” plays from this team. Almost a sack, almost an INT, almost stopped short. Michigan needs more ballers who turn those almost plays into made plays. Scheme and coaching get you into a position to make a play, but it’s on the PLAYERS to then close the loop and execute. Hudson is a very experienced player, he needs to know his level and adjust or tell the other player to adjust. All game long I kept shouting at the TV, “someone MAKE A FUCKING PLAY!” In the past it was Woodson, Desmond, Denard, Tim Biakabatuka, someone making a play when it was needed. Too often that one play has gone begging of late.
December 7th, 2019 at 12:35 PM ^
I agree with this. Hudson colliding with Thomas and ruining an otherwise good defensive call is NOT Don Brown's fucking fault.
I'm sure Hudson is sick to his stomach about his bad day. He's had so many GREAT days, it's just a shame this was a bad day. I think he wanted to make plays SO MUCH that he kinda lost his composure.
December 7th, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^
Is it Brown's fault if he didn't drill "levels" execution into his team sufficiently for them to avoid running into each other like Keystone Cops in the most important game of the year?
December 7th, 2019 at 12:57 PM ^
Yes, It’s Brown’s fault for putting the players in a position to lose and that’s what he did on that play. The OSU staff probably couldn’t stop smiling when Brown called that play.
December 7th, 2019 at 4:41 PM ^
McGrone had his first truly bad game and Glasgow was awful but that's kind of typical.
December 7th, 2019 at 2:48 PM ^
If and buts is all we've had for 20 years. Coaching, refs, one play here, one play there. The "make a play" analysis you cite is what it feels like when watching the games as we shoot ourselves in the foot and drop key passes and everything seems to break OSU's way.
The problem is, it's no longer about making a play, it's about stringing together all the plays and playing near perfect football. The margin of error is so much smaller now because of the football factory they are running.
Everyone cites the talent gap from recruiting, but I think that only gives them 20% of their edge. I believe the biggest difference is "time on task." They don't play school, and they don't even pretend to. Add up all the hours of development that their players get, all the extra reps, all the extra film sessions across the entire program while our players are walking to and sitting in class on campus.
Complain all you want about player development, but it's much easier if your players are getting 30% more time in the football facilities...add that up across 3 or 4 years in the program, plus the slight talent edge they have coming in as freshmen, and you see the results of why seemingly can't make the big play when it matters.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:22 AM ^
What happened to Urban's overgrown cyst?
December 7th, 2019 at 11:30 AM ^
It's currently 15-0 and set to play in Indy tonight.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^
Thanks, Comrade. I just snorted coffee out of my nose.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:30 AM ^
I really hate how good of a coach Urban seems to be.
December 7th, 2019 at 2:42 PM ^
It’s only trumped by how terrible of human being he is.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:35 AM ^
I had the exact same WTF moment while yelling at the TV. Meyer is correct.
December 7th, 2019 at 11:45 AM ^
How does Oscar Meyer’s wiener taste, 93?
Oh yeah, FUCK Urban Meyer. I wish Woodson would just look over and knock is ass out while they’re sitting there on that set. It’s amazing how everyone just ignores the reason why he’s there and not on the sidelines anymore. Yes his comments are educated, but he’s a fucking scum bag that should be shunned not lauded and listened to. “Yeah yeah, sure thing ... now let’s hear from someone who DID NOT knowingly harbour and protect a fucking WIFE BEATER/sexual predator!”
December 7th, 2019 at 1:27 PM ^
Can you just go ahead and shut the fuck up? Your posting is old, redundant, and boring. Just stop.
December 7th, 2019 at 2:45 PM ^
Fuck off, Buddha.
Dude makes a great point.
December 7th, 2019 at 6:15 PM ^
Go fuck yourself, cock sucker!
December 7th, 2019 at 6:15 PM ^
Go fuck yourself, cock sucker!