Dunder

March 15th, 2024 at 8:20 AM ^

Opening the possibility of a repeat of the Mel report situation - except the replacement's are external and the coaching spin cycle will have seen the best candidates already take jobs... . 

Blinkin

March 15th, 2024 at 8:33 AM ^

That's honestly the worst outcome. They need to make a decision either way promptly. Either bring Juwan back and give him full support or fire him immediately and start the search. 

Obviously most of us prefer option 2, but either is better than Mel redux. 

4roses

March 15th, 2024 at 8:38 AM ^

This hits the nail on the head. The team in question finished in last place in the conference, a 15-year employee left and told you the culture is shit and your response is to hire an outside firm to try and detail just how bad the culture is? As much as I love him, Howard needed to go before the season ended and Manuel needs to go NOW. 

Kilgore Trout

March 15th, 2024 at 8:35 AM ^

If this is the "bombshell" that has been rumored then this is pretty tame. Howard is a hot head who people are afraid to have honest conversations with. No shit, anyone with eyes could have told you that. I guess if they need this documentation to fire him then whatever, but the results on the court should have been enough.

lhglrkwg

March 15th, 2024 at 10:54 AM ^

The rumors were an Athletic article by Quinn that was going to talk about 'PR / office politics' problems in football and/or hockey. This has to be it - and frankly if the 'bombshell' is that Michigan's basketball culture sucks, well I don't think anyone in the world is going to be surprised by this

Perkis-Size Me

March 15th, 2024 at 8:43 AM ^

I know I don't know all the ins and outs of what goes on in the program, but to me, this still fits right in with Warde's history of inaction. 

There's more than enough public results out there to justify showing Juwan the door. The three years of trending downward with the program, bad roster management, the Sanderson incident, off-court issues. Plenty of coaches have been fired for less. Chris Holtmann has just been fired, for much less, and 4x the buyout that Juwan has. 

I don't really know why you need to go hire a firm to assess the team culture. To me, it feels like:

1) Kicking the can down the road because you just don't want to have to make the decision.

2) You're hoping for this firm to come back with the result you're wanting/looking for so its justification for you to keep "your guy." Or you want someone to come back and tell you how bad it is so you are forced into making the decision, but you don't want to have to decide for yourself. 

3) This is the one that most resonates with me, because I used to be this way early in my career, and truthfully its something I still wrestle with. You want to "have all the facts before you make your decision." While that makes sense on its face, I remember a mentor of mine early in my career telling me "Perkis, sometimes you don't need all of the information. Sometimes you already have everything you need, and the answer is staring you right in the face. How much more of your time, my time and the team's time are you willing to waste to ultimately come to the conclusion that you can arrive at right here, right now?"

 

DennisFranklinDaMan

March 15th, 2024 at 10:13 AM ^

Wow, I guess that's a sign of how (some) Michigan fans feel about Howard, huh? 

I like him. I like how much he loves being at Michigan. I want the best for him and the team. Unfortunately, that latter wish outweighs the first two, and probably requires that we move on without him.

But this is the shit that drives me crazy about sports fans and messaging boards. Calling our coach a "psycho" because he got involved in one physical altercation two years ago, and this year apparently yelled at another coach in defense of his son? Neither ideal, both problematic. But now we're calling Juwan Howard a "psycho?"

Why do I feel that if he were 24-10 and we were heading for a third seed in the NCAA tournament nobody would be calling him "psycho"?

OuldSod

March 15th, 2024 at 12:07 PM ^

  1. Yelled at an opposing coach he was going to kill him
  2. Slapped an an opposing coach
  3. Acted heatedly towards a staff member that resulted in that staff member feeling physically threatened
  4. Made physical threats towards his own (player) son in practice that left observers extremely uncomfortable 

That may not meet your definition of psycho, but it strongly suggests Coach Howard has insufficient control of his temperament to be a successful employee. 

MGoGoGo

March 15th, 2024 at 12:44 PM ^

I'm not going to disagree that Juwan needs to go, but the Jett left "to escape his psycho dad" is a weird take.  Jett could have gone to nearly any college, but chose Michigan. He was likely always a 1 and done regardless of who his coach was. That doesn't suggest that he needed to escape his psycho dad. I think it was a bad fit and terrible for Juwan, Jett (and Jace) and Michigan to have the Howard boys playing at Michigan for Juwan.  Jett was notoriously bad on defense last year and Jace's behavior obviously led to to the dust up with Sanderson this year.  Kids playing for their parents at this level creates a whole host of issues surrounding the parent/child vs. player/coach dynamic.  It also inherently causes other players or potential players to question whether they will be treated fairly as compared to the coach's kids.

njvictor

March 15th, 2024 at 8:51 AM ^

If you have to hire a 3rd party firm to review your team culture, then you already have your answer on how the team culture is

Fire Juwan and Fire Warde so shit like this stops continuing to happen

bronxblue

March 15th, 2024 at 11:05 AM ^

Yeah, I suspect UM has actual conference rooms that don't require Warde Manuel to break out a hammer and some drywall beforehand or fiddling with a 200-page Ikea diagram.

In general I've found Quinn to be a perfectly average sports reporter who can't hide his biases or his desire to be taken more seriously than he is.  Reading his stuff over the years has led me to just switch to "Quinn Mode" and expect the stuff to be a bit wonky.

massblue

March 15th, 2024 at 8:55 AM ^

There is nothing new here. But reading what we had read before in bits and pieces in one place is ugly. What has taken place in private seems very consistent with what we have seen from Howard in the public. Someone who treats his son in front of everyone as described in the article should not be a head coach at UM. 

PeteM

March 15th, 2024 at 9:02 AM ^

There's not much new here though I hadn't heard the Jett story, and only recently heard about what Howard allegedly said to Turgeon. To me, as has been said below, hiring an outside firm seems like a way to delay and/or put the onus for the decision on someone outside the department.

Regarding Quinn, I'll admit I haven't everything he's written but have always thought he was a good writer and reporter. Is there a perception that he has a pro-Sparty bias?

Yostal

March 15th, 2024 at 9:03 AM ^

The three most interesting takeaways for me:
1). The outside firm hired to review the culture, which again is likely to provide cover for a firing.
2). The lack of anything to move the needle to anyone who has been paying even a modicum of attention to this program for the last few years.
2a). The complete lack of discussion of anything in the Michigan AD that is not the MBB program, which the rumormongers and OSU Millerites were insisting was all coming.
3). That Quinn got a nice sitdown with Sanderson's lawyer(s).

bronxblue

March 15th, 2024 at 9:26 AM ^

Yeah, about what I expected and nothing really new.

I will reiterate that so much is being made from Sanderson's attorney and what he said in a letter tied to trying to get his client a severance.  I'm not going to argue that the culture and team isn't bad but I also take whatever an attorney says with a grain of salt.  For example, lots of coaches we've seen get physical with their players, and while that's not acceptable I also wouldn't paint it as something unexpected.  

Howard needs to go but these articles are also pretty lazy in that they are just repeating the same couple of sourced material with limited intellectual curiosity or scrutiny.

SlickNick

March 15th, 2024 at 9:32 AM ^

Just want to say a quick hello to our rcmb lurkers who predicted this "quinn bombshell" was going to be the latest doom to MI football. Dream on losers. 

pargoff

March 15th, 2024 at 9:37 AM ^

Not much substance? I get we all want the program to do well, but that fact that Juwan is still employed is an indictment on Warde and the entire Athletics Dept.

KBLOW

March 15th, 2024 at 9:48 AM ^

Franz, can't you celebrate that this article came out right now when it could help push Warde to fire Howard or even get Ono's attention so he could get rid of Warde? 

HighBeta

March 15th, 2024 at 9:49 AM ^

Howard knows the game of basketball. Coaching the game, motivating his players? I don't know his skills. The only thing apparent is that he doesn't know how to control his emotional responses. Being "passionate" is one (positive) thing, being unable to control your words and actions is a large negative.

El Demonio

March 15th, 2024 at 9:56 AM ^

While we all appreciate the posts people make, can we please put a moratorium on the coded words and references and cleverness?

I don't have a clue what spartoon means, I must have not logged in that day to MGoBlog, These kinds of posts abound and I don't understand the need to be cute.

I'm not a boomer.