And in addition to "judgment calls" there are also calls in those head to head sports that are simply objectively wrong and that affect the game. See the "foul" called on the Samford block last night, which gave me PTSD to the foul called on Burke against Louisville.
So, do we want these coaches to win in the tournament to confirm our belief that they would succeed at UofM or lose so that they are more likely to be available and cheaper?
Good luck to Juwan in his next endeavor. It's a shame that this did not work our both for him and for U of M in the long run. Unlike some firings, I'm not glad to see him go other than because it was necessary for the program to turn things around.
I'm not going to disagree that Juwan needs to go, but the Jett left "to escape his psycho dad" is a weird take. Jett could have gone to nearly any college, but chose Michigan. He was likely always a 1 and done regardless of who his coach was. That doesn't suggest that he needed to escape his psycho dad. I think it was a bad fit and terrible for Juwan, Jett (and Jace) and Michigan to have the Howard boys playing at Michigan for Juwan. Jett was notoriously bad on defense last year and Jace's behavior obviously led to to the dust up with Sanderson this year. Kids playing for their parents at this level creates a whole host of issues surrounding the parent/child vs. player/coach dynamic. It also inherently causes other players or potential players to question whether they will be treated fairly as compared to the coach's kids.
Regarding the fact that S&C isn't as important at the pro level, one thing that we know about Harbaugh is that he is willing to innovate and go against convention. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Harbaugh is planning for Herbert to lead an S&C program for the Chargers that is beyond the typical NFL S&C program.
I think it's funny that back when Michigan hired Harbaugh, the knock on him from the talking heads was the he had lost the 49's locker room, his leadership style didn't work with grown men and professionals and that his personality causes him to alienate people over a short period of time. Apparently, that is no longer a concern.
Thanks for saying this. I have the same feelings. I like Harbaugh and I have a ton of gratitude for what he's done for the program. But, it does rub me the wrong way for him to have made those promises about not looking at NFL opportunities only to break them nearly immediately. It seems hypocritical for someone like Harbaugh who has said the following: "“Be honest. You will have choices to make and where a dishonest edge can be gained. And whatever gain is made will be undermined sometime down the road. As our dad told us, flat out, never lie, never cheat, never steal, it won’t be worth it. It’s the basis of trust, which is the basis of all things. … The value of becoming a known person of character and integrity is priceless… Another piece from Judge Judy on honesty, if you tell the truth you don’t need a good memory.”
Not sure that he has Brady's talent, but Penix has been playing college football for the past 32 years, so he does show a fair amount of maturity in his play and decision making.
Offense and Defense looked dialed in. Special teams looked like they took the whole month off. I expect that they'll be more dialed in for the championship. Despite the win, I expect Jay's going to get some fatherly advice.
Stewart had a simply amazing game. On the last play, he absolutely bulldozed Latham into the the backfield and into the path of Milroe, despite the the fact that Stewart is giving up 115 lbs to Latham. What an absolute dude.
There are two ways to interpret the groan. One is "awww shit, Alabama." The other is "ughh, CFP committee are Bama fanboys and screwed FSU." I like to think that the majority of the groans were of the second type.
The selection committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and selected other bowl games and then assign the teams to sites.
Completely agree. Keep winning is the biggest FU. Harbaugh has now shown that there was no competitive advantage and UofM won the game despite the suspension. On top of that Moore's success as interim head coach has shown off Harbaugh's strong coaching tree and the depth of UofM's program built by Harbaugh. The attempt to take out Harbaugh has only made him look stronger.
The fact that Stalions stood next to other coaches on the sidelines is only proof that he had input to offer the coaches--and likely input concerning opponent's plays. Assuming that decoding opponent's signals (which is legal) was part of his job, that makes sense. It is not evidence of any infraction.
Other teams have their opponents signs. They can be obtained through film or from other prior opponents. We know this from statements from other coaches and the documents shared between Rutgers, OSU and Purdue with Michigan's signals. Therefore, Michigan did not obtain an unfair competitive advantage from whatever alleged infraction Stalions committed.
Why were the B1G coaches upset? Well, Pettiti and Haller claim that it's because their players were endangered!!! We know that's bullshit because other teams steal signs and the NCAA has not outlawed it. Has the NCAA turned a blind eye to this dangerous practice?!!
Why would Haller make such a claim then? Well, it's part of a coordinated campaign to compete against Michigan through all means. You use "conspiracy theory" as an ad hominem attack on that possibility depsite the fact that there (1) was an outside investigative agency hired by one or more people/teams; (2) a steady drip of news concerning Stalions that effectively maximized the news cycle; and (3) the exaggerated claims of player harm. Why would the other coaches demand punishment? Because they all compete with Michigan, for wins and for recruiting talent. What harms Michigan increases their chances of success. It's not a matter of "jealousy." It's a matter of competition. (Also, I do think that Harbaugh has simply made some enemies).
This. Did Partridge really think that he had the technical ability to remove all forensic evidence of the files AND cover his tracks? Terrible judgment and lack of loyalty to his boss and UofM. Frankly, it's much worse than what Stallions did.
The NCAA seemingly just learned that a higher level coach in the organization may have destroyed evidence and may have known about the alleged infractions. There's not a chance in hell that they will drop this without investigating who in the organization knew about Stallions actions and the attempted cover up. Frankly, nor should they.
I think it's debatable whether what Stallions did is even an infraction at all. And, it's clear that it didn't give Michigan a material advantage or harm its opponents, let alone create a dangerous situation as Pettiti and MSU have ridiculously claimed. I think the 3 game suspension is ridiculous. But, there's no way that the NCAA is going to simply drop the investigation at this point.
This is only sort of true. Teams can influence how good their competition is by (1) joining a better conference (looking at you JMU, Liberty, etc); and (2) scheduling non-conference games against perennial powerhouses (yes, it's hard to predict how good UNLV might or might not be in a given season, but there are some teams that are pretty close to a sure thing if you want to improve your SOS, for example, Alabama, Georgia, UofM, tOSU, Notre Dame, Texas, Oregon, Penn State, Oklahoma)
The fact that the B1G continues to make the "dangerous for the players" argument is so outrageously stupid that its hard to believe that the responsible B1G are highly paid executives. It's similarly hard to believe that B1G has lawyers that would continue to advance that argument. I can't fathom having to explain that to a judge. "How are players facing Michigan put in any more danger than players facing teams who obtained signs through methods other than in person scouting?" "The NCAA stated that the rule against in person scouting is to avoid an unfair advantage for teams that have resources to do such in person scouting, it hasn't stated that it is for player safety has it?" "The B1G has received evidence of other teams sharing UofM's signals, why hasn't the league taken action against those teams to protect players?"
Furthermore, nothing about suspending Harbaugh protects players who are supposedly in a "dangerous" situation.
Advancing this obviously bullshit argument undermines the leagues credibility and confirms that this is a witch hunt.
Agreed. Not to excuse Petitti's lack of leadership, but he should be pissed at the other coaches and administrators. He's been misled by them and made to look foolish (although he is culpable for allowing himself to be misled). Petitti should convene another call and crack some heads together, threatening investigations of all B1G teams unless they immediately stop the orchestrated PR campaign/witch hunt targeting Harbaugh. This has made the conference look bad all around (people comparing B1G to the SEC fergodsakes) and made Petitti look weak.
NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1 states: “Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited.” B1G teams that obtained information from the coaches of UofM's opponents who played UofM earlier in the season, engaged in "Off-campus, in-person (the prior opponent's coaches were at the games) scouting (the prior opponent's coaches obtained information about UofM's plays and signals and provided it to late opponents) in the same season."
The counter argument is that the "in-person" clause isn't met. Well, if that's the case then none of Stalion's vast network committed "in-person" scouting either. (the possible distinction exists only if Stalions was on the sideline at the CMU game).
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I'd like to pay Juwan a compliment on being introspective enough to evaluate areas where he can improve and brave enough to acknowledge them publicly.
Detroit Lions assistant coach arrested after going through Wendy's drive-thru naked.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2006/09/09/naked-drive-thru-order-got-lions-assistant-nabbed/
Can UofM annex Oakland simply to acquire its MBB program?
And in addition to "judgment calls" there are also calls in those head to head sports that are simply objectively wrong and that affect the game. See the "foul" called on the Samford block last night, which gave me PTSD to the foul called on Burke against Louisville.
So, do we want these coaches to win in the tournament to confirm our belief that they would succeed at UofM or lose so that they are more likely to be available and cheaper?
Good luck to Juwan in his next endeavor. It's a shame that this did not work our both for him and for U of M in the long run. Unlike some firings, I'm not glad to see him go other than because it was necessary for the program to turn things around.
You do if it's a meeting of the Avengers.
I'm not going to disagree that Juwan needs to go, but the Jett left "to escape his psycho dad" is a weird take. Jett could have gone to nearly any college, but chose Michigan. He was likely always a 1 and done regardless of who his coach was. That doesn't suggest that he needed to escape his psycho dad. I think it was a bad fit and terrible for Juwan, Jett (and Jace) and Michigan to have the Howard boys playing at Michigan for Juwan. Jett was notoriously bad on defense last year and Jace's behavior obviously led to to the dust up with Sanderson this year. Kids playing for their parents at this level creates a whole host of issues surrounding the parent/child vs. player/coach dynamic. It also inherently causes other players or potential players to question whether they will be treated fairly as compared to the coach's kids.
Thank you Penn State for mercifully putting an end to that season
*with an exception for references to Natural Light, which will always be acceptable
I will always downvote the use of that term. This is the hill that I will die on (or at least expend my MGoPoints).
Including his own.
Now I'm picturing Howard Cosell wearing the short shorts. Thanks for that.
I think the rest of the sentence was censored
You know the saying - "Those who stay will be champions. And then they can leave and get a big fat paycheck."
Regarding the fact that S&C isn't as important at the pro level, one thing that we know about Harbaugh is that he is willing to innovate and go against convention. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Harbaugh is planning for Herbert to lead an S&C program for the Chargers that is beyond the typical NFL S&C program.
This is a very authoritarian take on news reporting.
Does FlaWolve survive this? Bolivia?
I think it's funny that back when Michigan hired Harbaugh, the knock on him from the talking heads was the he had lost the 49's locker room, his leadership style didn't work with grown men and professionals and that his personality causes him to alienate people over a short period of time. Apparently, that is no longer a concern.
Thanks for saying this. I have the same feelings. I like Harbaugh and I have a ton of gratitude for what he's done for the program. But, it does rub me the wrong way for him to have made those promises about not looking at NFL opportunities only to break them nearly immediately. It seems hypocritical for someone like Harbaugh who has said the following: "“Be honest. You will have choices to make and where a dishonest edge can be gained. And whatever gain is made will be undermined sometime down the road. As our dad told us, flat out, never lie, never cheat, never steal, it won’t be worth it. It’s the basis of trust, which is the basis of all things. … The value of becoming a known person of character and integrity is priceless… Another piece from Judge Judy on honesty, if you tell the truth you don’t need a good memory.”
Not sure that he has Brady's talent, but Penix has been playing college football for the past 32 years, so he does show a fair amount of maturity in his play and decision making.
Strong argument that Stewart should have been one of the MVPs
Offense and Defense looked dialed in. Special teams looked like they took the whole month off. I expect that they'll be more dialed in for the championship. Despite the win, I expect Jay's going to get some fatherly advice.
Stewart had a simply amazing game. On the last play, he absolutely bulldozed Latham into the the backfield and into the path of Milroe, despite the the fact that Stewart is giving up 115 lbs to Latham. What an absolute dude.
The horror! It would be like when we faced Iowa with Cade . . . oh, wait, nevermind.
There are two ways to interpret the groan. One is "awww shit, Alabama." The other is "ughh, CFP committee are Bama fanboys and screwed FSU." I like to think that the majority of the groans were of the second type.
My brain can't reconcile Notre Dame's performance this season with their position on the opponent-adjusted EPA/play chart
Add to this the fact that OSU's kicker had missed a long FG attempt earlier in the game.
Per the CFP Selection Committee Protocol "
Completely agree. Keep winning is the biggest FU. Harbaugh has now shown that there was no competitive advantage and UofM won the game despite the suspension. On top of that Moore's success as interim head coach has shown off Harbaugh's strong coaching tree and the depth of UofM's program built by Harbaugh. The attempt to take out Harbaugh has only made him look stronger.
Currently investigating whether the tunnel can be blamed
Well, I don't think Ryan Day has ever been called a strategic thinker
The fact that Stalions stood next to other coaches on the sidelines is only proof that he had input to offer the coaches--and likely input concerning opponent's plays. Assuming that decoding opponent's signals (which is legal) was part of his job, that makes sense. It is not evidence of any infraction.
Other teams have their opponents signs. They can be obtained through film or from other prior opponents. We know this from statements from other coaches and the documents shared between Rutgers, OSU and Purdue with Michigan's signals. Therefore, Michigan did not obtain an unfair competitive advantage from whatever alleged infraction Stalions committed.
Why were the B1G coaches upset? Well, Pettiti and Haller claim that it's because their players were endangered!!! We know that's bullshit because other teams steal signs and the NCAA has not outlawed it. Has the NCAA turned a blind eye to this dangerous practice?!!
Why would Haller make such a claim then? Well, it's part of a coordinated campaign to compete against Michigan through all means. You use "conspiracy theory" as an ad hominem attack on that possibility depsite the fact that there (1) was an outside investigative agency hired by one or more people/teams; (2) a steady drip of news concerning Stalions that effectively maximized the news cycle; and (3) the exaggerated claims of player harm. Why would the other coaches demand punishment? Because they all compete with Michigan, for wins and for recruiting talent. What harms Michigan increases their chances of success. It's not a matter of "jealousy." It's a matter of competition. (Also, I do think that Harbaugh has simply made some enemies).
This. Did Partridge really think that he had the technical ability to remove all forensic evidence of the files AND cover his tracks? Terrible judgment and lack of loyalty to his boss and UofM. Frankly, it's much worse than what Stallions did.
The NCAA…
Seriously?
The NCAA seemingly just learned that a higher level coach in the organization may have destroyed evidence and may have known about the alleged infractions. There's not a chance in hell that they will drop this without investigating who in the organization knew about Stallions actions and the attempted cover up. Frankly, nor should they.
I think it's debatable whether what Stallions did is even an infraction at all. And, it's clear that it didn't give Michigan a material advantage or harm its opponents, let alone create a dangerous situation as Pettiti and MSU have ridiculously claimed. I think the 3 game suspension is ridiculous. But, there's no way that the NCAA is going to simply drop the investigation at this point.
Timing is consistent with the prior reports that Pettiti had been "waffling" prior to Partridge info
Perhaps hiring decision should be made based on the candidates ability to exercise good judgment, not just enthusiasm
Assuming the destruction of evidence rumor is accurate:
Good play by UM firing Partridge.
Stupid play by Partridge.
Bad process by UM if it didn't immediately instruct everyone to preserve all relevant documents.
"Uncle T" really makes this sound like a mob operation
And its…
Until the Big Ten
And its corrupt commissioner
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And terminated
Everywhere is war
Me say war
That until there all other
Big ten teams that have
committed any minor violation
have their coaches suspended for three games
Me say war
And its…
Until the Big Ten
And its corrupt commissioner
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And terminated
Everywhere is war
Me say war
That until there all other
Big ten teams that have
committed any minor violation
have their coaches suspended for three games
Me say war
OSU fan #2 is prone to believing fairytales and conspiracy theories. I would give zero trust to his judgment in professional situations.
Their men's soccer team also made the NCAA tournament.
I think you mean, at least they still have couch burning.
This is only sort of true. Teams can influence how good their competition is by (1) joining a better conference (looking at you JMU, Liberty, etc); and (2) scheduling non-conference games against perennial powerhouses (yes, it's hard to predict how good UNLV might or might not be in a given season, but there are some teams that are pretty close to a sure thing if you want to improve your SOS, for example, Alabama, Georgia, UofM, tOSU, Notre Dame, Texas, Oregon, Penn State, Oklahoma)
Clear your mind must be, if you are to find the villlians behind this plot.
The fact that the B1G continues to make the "dangerous for the players" argument is so outrageously stupid that its hard to believe that the responsible B1G are highly paid executives. It's similarly hard to believe that B1G has lawyers that would continue to advance that argument. I can't fathom having to explain that to a judge. "How are players facing Michigan put in any more danger than players facing teams who obtained signs through methods other than in person scouting?" "The NCAA stated that the rule against in person scouting is to avoid an unfair advantage for teams that have resources to do such in person scouting, it hasn't stated that it is for player safety has it?" "The B1G has received evidence of other teams sharing UofM's signals, why hasn't the league taken action against those teams to protect players?"
Furthermore, nothing about suspending Harbaugh protects players who are supposedly in a "dangerous" situation.
Advancing this obviously bullshit argument undermines the leagues credibility and confirms that this is a witch hunt.
"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,"
Petitt failed to do so and has now created a problem for himself.
Agreed. Not to excuse Petitti's lack of leadership, but he should be pissed at the other coaches and administrators. He's been misled by them and made to look foolish (although he is culpable for allowing himself to be misled). Petitti should convene another call and crack some heads together, threatening investigations of all B1G teams unless they immediately stop the orchestrated PR campaign/witch hunt targeting Harbaugh. This has made the conference look bad all around (people comparing B1G to the SEC fergodsakes) and made Petitti look weak.
NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1 states: “Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited.” B1G teams that obtained information from the coaches of UofM's opponents who played UofM earlier in the season, engaged in "Off-campus, in-person (the prior opponent's coaches were at the games) scouting (the prior opponent's coaches obtained information about UofM's plays and signals and provided it to late opponents) in the same season."
The counter argument is that the "in-person" clause isn't met. Well, if that's the case then none of Stalion's vast network committed "in-person" scouting either. (the possible distinction exists only if Stalions was on the sideline at the CMU game).