Rose Bowl Broadcast observations
I was interested yesterday to see and hear how the game was presented on ESPN after the turbulence during the season and what I find to be a pretty consistent anti-Michigan slant on the "family of networks" going back some years. To my surprise, I thought the game was called very balanced yesterday and actually enjoyed the Fowler/Herbstreit duo for the first time in a while. It also felt like a very Michigan-centric broadcast with the Michigan Marching Band featured multiple times.
The only thing I don't like (and why Klatt is the best IMO) is the unwillingness of this crew to call out bad officiating. There is no way you cannot comment on the lack of flag on the JJ late hit. You have to call that out.
All in all though, credit where credit is due. I thought the broadcast was good, almost no missed plays, insightful commentary, and most of the takes fair and balanced.
What did you all think?
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:51 AM ^
Down 4, field goal to tie the game was our favorite
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:19 PM ^
I thought Fowler was very astute when he pointed out that Corum broke "Anthony Thompson's" Michigan TD record.
.../s, if not obvious.
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:03 PM ^
(though I think if Thaw had fallen on it in the end zone it would have been a touchback but I might be wrong).
Live ball with possession in the end zone, that's a safety. Only way to get a touchback on a punt is if the ball crosses the plane untouched.
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:56 PM ^
My cardiologist is thankful I didn't know that rule at the time.
Jeeesus.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:32 AM ^
I think if the non-call on JJ was the "foul to be named later" in the trade with the running into the punter, I'll take it.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:40 AM ^
True, but we never got the make-up for the terrible call on Bredenson for blocking too much.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:47 AM ^
A live action unsportsmanlike penalty where a guy blocked someone into the ground. I was in the crowd wondering when was the last live action unsportsman like penalty for over blocking?
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:54 AM ^
There was an extremely similar block by a Bama player later on that wasn’t called as well. Like, guy on the ground and the Bama player lined him up and hit him again. 🤷♂️
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:57 AM ^
Not sure if this is the one you're thinking of, but I recall Barrett getting blocked with hands to the face, held, and then knocked to the ground and landed on when Bama scored their final touchdown.
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:22 PM ^
That was Keegan. I was screaming at the TV. Keegan was on the ground face up and this asshole literally dove with both hands into Keegan’s face. The side judge was looking right at it. It should have been an ejection. Keegan wasn’t even blocking that guy.
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:00 PM ^
What was really funny was seeing the MSU slappies that called for Bredeson to be ejected just like their O-Lineman was in our game this year like they were equivalent.
January 2nd, 2024 at 1:05 PM ^
The Bredeson call was the makeup call for the "running into the punter" pantomime foul. It took away a first down and killed a good drive.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:32 AM ^
Watched the game live yesterday using the Michigan Radio ESPN stream.
Re-watching this morning with the regular broadcast stream and noticed the background noise (micced by ESPN) was much stronger for the Bama fans/band than it was for Michigan, despite the larger Michigan contingent.
Edit: to clarify, I don't at all believe the Bama crowd/band was louder than ours... but ESPN made it sound that way.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:32 AM ^
This is our "Do you believe in miracles" call. Fowler's call on the last play . . . . Game on the line . . Williams in motion . . . low snap . . . .Milroe stopped at the line . . . Michigan makes a stand and comes up with a milestone play off victory.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:45 AM ^
I can appreciate that.
However the historic call will occur next week with “and McCarthy takes another knee to cap a special season for Harbaugh and his wolverines as they earn their 1st national title since 1997”
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:21 PM ^
I could also live with "Blake Corum hits 30!"
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:33 AM ^
I agree, I thought they called a good game. The game was really entertaining and Fowler and Herbstreit were clearly enjoying the atmosphere and making the most of it.
Also, pretty sure they did comment on the late hit they just didn't make a big deal about it once it was clear there was going to be no flag.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:33 AM ^
From a broadcast perspective, I thought it was interesting and added to the quality of the broadcast that they let their 'rules analyst' cut in on the announce team to point out that the interception was going to be over-turned because the player was out of bounds.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:36 AM ^
Great point. So rare that a rules analyst actually adds value.
I thought Herbstreit was very good. I didn't listen to the radio broadcast but I did hear the call of the last play. Karsch is just doesn't have a voice for radio. He has to go.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:37 AM ^
I thought it was fine. The commercials were once again brutal. There is a guy on reddit that lists every commercial and the times and it was over an hour in total stops. Just seeing the huge list of commercials is just awful. I was exhausted after watching the UM game already, but I had absolutely no interest in sitting through another commercial barrage for the second game.
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:37 PM ^
First world complaint, but try watching satellite in the Caribbean, with the same 7 ESapN commercials for 3 hours. I'll never complain about Dr Pepper again.
Who am I kidding, sure I will.
January 2nd, 2024 at 1:40 PM ^
I've come to appreciate that whoever makes the Dr. Pepper ads does have a deep understanding of college football fandom. The one where everyone destroys their homes and apparel after a poor first play hits close to home (and certainly replicates my household's response to the first play yesterday).
January 2nd, 2024 at 2:03 PM ^
I laughed out loud at the portal sucking up all the Dr Pepper team's players, but the guy won't put down his soda to save the QB.
There's been a few funny ones in the Fansville series.
January 2nd, 2024 at 1:21 PM ^
How did it compare to FOX covering the Ohio State and Iowa games?
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:38 AM ^
I spend a lot of time watching old nfl games on youtube with calls from guys like Madden and Bob Trumpy doing color.
My big issue with Herbstreet is he's constantly observing what the momentum is doing. It's pointless blather. Guys like Madden never wasted a moment insulting the audience with feelings ball stuff like that.
Observations like that are either a guess or fully obvious.
Herbstreet knows the game. And I also think he's spread too thin and is probably too tired to dial in like he could.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:39 AM ^
The difference is there are so many stoppages now that announcers have to fill time with something. In a very literal sense there sometimes is just nothing else to talk about.
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:09 PM ^
There's always the girlfriend of the Bama QB
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:26 PM ^
Hey! Nice Bob Trumpy reference. Never gets mentioned, but he was excellent. Great broadcasting voice.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:40 AM ^
i thought the broadcast was fine. on-field team was good. fowler called it straight. kirk gets so excited about good plays and good players no matter the team
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:40 AM ^
I just think they do a poor job with the details of the play, especially when compared with Klatt, who would have for sure discussed how Stewart caved in the right tackle. He also would have noted Colson following the back in motion, taking that read away from Milroe (if it even was an option).
I can’t even tell you what Herbie said about that play, but how he missed the Stewart push is beyond me.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:44 AM ^
If that swing pass was an option, I think Colson was screwed. He was maybe a half step late following the back out. It looks there's a moment of confusion between him and Barrett as to which had responsibility for the back. And there was a lot of traffic to navigate, a lot of space, and a WR blocker for the two d backs to the wide side of the formation.
January 2nd, 2024 at 1:10 PM ^
Look again. Colson has the angle and is at a full sprint while the RB is slowing down and looks like he's waiting for a pass.
January 2nd, 2024 at 1:41 PM ^
Still not sure but I like your account better, so I will believe it.
January 5th, 2024 at 5:24 PM ^
Agree.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:41 AM ^
It was a fine broadcast, and basically what you'd expect in a big game like this. I thought some of the talking heads around the broadcast weren't great - the less Joey Galloway on my screen waiting for the hamster in his head to start running on the treadmill the better - but this was a playoff game between two big-name programs and it was treated like that in terms of coverage.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:52 AM ^
Joey Galloway is the worst thing on tv.
"Its crazy how Michigan only has 3 receiving TDs on the year"
At the time Roman Wilson had 8.
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:29 PM ^
Yeah, it's crazy when OSU fans talk about Desmond the way Galloway actually acts. He's just empty space when he's out there and his insights are just the most banal if they aren't factually incorrect.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:42 AM ^
I thought it was fine, and I generally enjoy Herbstreit. He's not a mega homer like Joey Galloway, who has no business being on TV. He can barely put a sentence together.
I think they did call out the late hit, especially on the replay. I remember Herbstreit saying that JJ was actually in the white.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:47 AM ^
There was also an identical personal foul penalty that Michigan got called for where one of the lineman was knocked down and then the Alabama defender dove on top of him. Nobody even mentioned it.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:50 AM ^
That happened several times. Bama lineman were loading up the pile on a lot of tackles and could have drawn a flag. I also counted three offensive hands to the face calls on Bama that were not called, including on their last TD and the last play that was stopped.
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:57 PM ^
Yeah, on the last Bama TD the EMLOS was getting blocked entirely by grabbing our guy by the helmet. Either you are calling it a tight game or you are not. I don't care which one you choose, but be consistent. After the PF against Bredeson, you can't let other PF-worthy calls (of which there were at least 4-5) slide.
Also, there seemed to be some close/questionable plays where they would just spend 20 seconds focused on a Bama player catching his breath rather than showing a replay. The lack of replays was odd to me.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:48 AM ^
Fowler is a horrible play-by-play announcer and Herbstreit is an okay but not great analyst. Those were my observations.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:48 AM ^
I have been enjoying syncing the Michigan radio call to the tv broadcast and listening/watching that way.
I don't have nearly as much dead commercial time, radio stays and talks lot while TV is gone doing commercials.
Also, I didn't have to endure Herbstreit's dog story...like, come on! Why are we talking about his dog during the Rose Bowl?
Best positive is you get to hear the Michigan perspective on everything, not a 'neutral' broadcast.
Just my 2 cents
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:48 AM ^
I loved how Tyler Morris grabbed the pylon as he scored and took a picture of the Goodyear blimp with the pylon cam.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:48 AM ^
- I thought the broadcast announcers were fine...
- ...but the direction was so-so. There weren't any missed plays, but there were too many missed replays (e.g., you could hear the crowd erupt in the 2nd half. Why? According to Twitter, it was b/c Clemons got pulled by his face mask to the ground. The broadcast should have been on that)
- The amount of commercials was Fox-esque (i.e., terrible)
- And a special shout-out to YouTubeTV: a good portion of my second half was at 480p, for whatever reason, and YouTube support was just telling people, "Hmmm...we're not sure why people are experiencing that. Turn it on, turn it off."
January 2nd, 2024 at 12:02 PM ^
My Youtubetv did the same thing. Very frustrating.
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:49 AM ^
I can't beleave ESPN didn't offer a 4k stream in this day and age. been spoiled by FOX
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:55 AM ^
I don't like Herbstreit. He presents opinion as fact too much. "If they hadn't done XYZ, this would have happened." I'd rather have the color commentator talk about plays that actually happened or present quick backstories on players, etc.
And yes, the lack of a flag on that late hit on McCarthy was egregious and not discussed at all. And Alabama had ZERO holding calls all game against a team with six sacks? Right. It's almost like they we ordered to not discuss officiating (unless a Michigan player brushed the leg of a punter who reacted like he'd been hit by a truck).
January 2nd, 2024 at 11:55 AM ^
I am still watching the game (just scored our second TD), but the coverage has been fine. The lead up however, was obnoxious. The ticker at the bottom was so slanted toward Alabama, it was disgusting. ALA: Averaging 42 ppg over the past 5 games. UM: Lost last 6 Bowl games. ALA: Seeking 7th NC in CFP era. UM: 0-2 in CFP. No mention of UM leading the nation in scoring margin or ranked number 1 by nearly every metric (except their idiotic FPI).
January 2nd, 2024 at 2:18 PM ^
What hurt the most about the pre-game crawl of pro-bama stats was that they were all true. They have won 6 NC in the past ~15 years; and as they pointed out multiple times yesterday, Michigan has one "shared" NC in 75 years.
As for Michigan's scoring differential, Iowa got 0 pts vs mediocre Tennessee, while osu got 3 (QB issues notwithstanding) vs their sec opponent. It's clear why they don't respect our stats.
And THAT is another reason this win was so sweet! Suck it ESPN!