Locked On Wolverines: Michigan changed its own signs because signs stolen in 2017, 18, etc.
I enjoyed listening to this discussion of the NCAA and its BS agenda:
https://youtu.be/RUayj__tD-M?si=_rk5MuIUkpFyVpTA
The most interesting part to me was when the guy discussed - with pretty certain knowledge it seems - that Michigan was a victim of sign stealing in the past, in particular during the Game in some past years (like '18). Thus, Michigan, according to this guy, Michigan has gotten a lot better at concealing what it's doing.
(fyi: I have nothing to do with the Locked On Wolverines pod/youtube - I just listen to it occasionally)
October 20th, 2023 at 12:42 PM ^
I remember the NW game in 2018 being a situation where even Brian noted "wow, these NW LBs seemingly know when to blitz and when to hold back all game" and I assumed it was because UM was tipping their plays or NW had figured out a signal. And they were doing that from the jump; UM had 21 yards of total offense while NW built a 17-0 lead. That's what you'd expect from a team that had signs, not waiting for a half and then deploying it.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:48 PM ^
Yep. We all were wondering how in the hell it happened. UM went back and adjusted. Sometimes teams are just good and smart. Tip the cap and move on. Instead people whine without evidence. Unfair world.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:25 PM ^
Maybe there's holes in the idea, but wouldn't it be better to wait it out and deploy it in the second half? I mean, sure, if you're playing through the first and you are getting beat, then go for it as soon as possible. Theoretically though, wouldn't it be better to hang around in the first half and apply extra curricular knowledge in the second half in hopes that the opposing team won't be able to adjust on the fly without the benefit of halftime?
October 20th, 2023 at 2:35 PM ^
I would rather have the 17-0 lead. What if the other team makes a halftime adjustment out of an abundance of caution and you never got to use your edge?
Or what if they weren’t going to make an adjustment no matter what and you wasted a half of not using it?
Don’t overthink it and outsmart yourself.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:50 PM ^
Bottom Line: What team is NOT trying to steal signs?
Who's the victim? Michigan may be better at concealing their signs. Remember the NASCAR image from a few years ago? Some teams had that sign and we all knew it meant for a hurry-up offensive play, even if was a disguise.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:38 PM ^
I remember my son’s 3rd grade little league baseball team learning about signs and the “activator”. If you don’t see the activator, all that signaling is jibberish. Stealing signs is part of every game. Football, especially as it mimics warfare (the trenches, throw the bomb, etc.) lends itself to sign stealing. Should we be upset that the Allies broke the Nazis code?
October 20th, 2023 at 2:40 PM ^
That reminds me that 25 years later, I can still remember the indicators for 8th grade baseball signs, and we even changed them every inning (granted we did it the same way for every game).
October 20th, 2023 at 12:55 PM ^
What is so infuriating about the NCAA is that in their messaging they are conflating stealing signs, which is not against the rules, with in-person scouting which is against the rules.
Michigan is being investigated for the latter.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:05 PM ^
Sniveling is for snivelers only. Just ask a sniveler if you don' believe me.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:11 PM ^
Interesting. But at this point sign stealing isn't the issue. It's well known that it happens and almost every team tries to do it.
The accusation is that Michigan was doing it illegally. And there have been vague references that maybe we were transferring information illegally too.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:17 PM ^
Good luck getting that computer. The NCAA has no legal right to "Take" anybody's computer. Even if they did take this computer do you think that this supposed "mastermind" wouldn't be smart enough to scrub it. Man is the NCAA a bunch of fools or what?
October 20th, 2023 at 1:20 PM ^
But... Warde.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:24 PM ^
The NCAA doesn't operate by the same rules that govern law enforcement. If you don't give up the computer, then you're not in compliance and they can assume guilt or penalize you for non-compliance, like they did when Harbaugh "lied" to them about cheeseburgers.
Deleting files isn't scrubbing. That stuff can generally be restored. If they find evidence that you deleted evidence, see above.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
If it's Michigan's computer which I assume could very well be the case if this guy was apparently a GA then the NCAA could have better ground to stand on, but IDK.
October 20th, 2023 at 2:21 PM ^
Heather Dinich is saying that the NCAA already confiscated the laptop.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:18 PM ^
Michigan has built a state-of-the-art analytics organization, probably modelled on leading edge NFL thought, that has now lapped the competitiion in situational predictive capability. What people forget is that you can use this predictive capability to study yourself, in order to find patterns and tells that may tip off others. UM is not just figuring out the opponent, they are making it harder for the opponent to predict us. Except for the dive play...
October 20th, 2023 at 2:09 PM ^
And they could have even used a guy who was trained by the Marines to break codes. If not, then he should have been trained by the Marines.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^
Everyone steals signs. If Michigan had their opponents' signs, and the opponents didn't realize that and immediately change them, it's on them. Sign stealing is a part of the game and has been for decades.
October 20th, 2023 at 1:47 PM ^
pssssssssssst. I think its a run up the middle!!!!
October 20th, 2023 at 1:51 PM ^
'(fyi: I have nothing to do with the Locked On Wolverines pod/youtube - I just listen to it occasionally)"
So you're maintaining that you're not a part of a vast network?
October 20th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^
Urban Meyer "literally" said he had a spy watching UM every day of the year.
Fuck Ryan Day.
October 22nd, 2023 at 2:39 AM ^
I was gonna go w/ Greg Mattison...
October 20th, 2023 at 1:58 PM ^
"Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?"
We can replace Mr. Brightside for one game, no?
October 20th, 2023 at 2:06 PM ^
by all means, let's toss another "this may not be true, but i heard it on good authority" log into this inferno of stupidity.
made-up stuff - in either direction - is just making this whole thing even dumber.
October 20th, 2023 at 2:30 PM ^
Born on Third really is the perfect nickname for Day. Harbaugh nailed it.
Only thing close woule be Coach Karen, as he will call the manager on you.
Guy is so soft....They only lose when
1) Clemson steals their signs
2) Too cold, had flu
3) 5 bad plays
4) 2 and 3 now trumped by "sign stealing"
5) Georgia "cheated", it was targeting
For OSU and Karen Day, they've only lost to Bama in that National Title Game 52-24, but I'm sure they'll dig up something on Saban or Devontae Smith was on steroids!!!! to get 215 yards.
What a soft ass program
October 20th, 2023 at 3:22 PM ^
He’s a proud member of the “everyone gets a trophy” generation apparently. What will his excuse be when we rock his ass again this year. I was half assed hoping OSU would eeek out a win this weekend. Now i hope Franklin runs up the score.
October 20th, 2023 at 2:37 PM ^
Rich Eisen had Dan Wetzel on, who broke the story . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8WF1jTAui0
He said highly unlikely someone from the university was scouting games in person because there would be an accounting record and it would mean a lot of people were in on it.. Theory he floated is someone not employed by the university was scouting signs, That is what I thought made the most sense given the vast network wording and Harbaugh's forceful denial. And Wetzel thinks that might be legal.
October 20th, 2023 at 2:47 PM ^
A headline I would like to see:
"Michigan prepared to release evidence of conference members doing exactly the same thing they are accused of doing regarding scouting practices."
That would cause a few issues. If Ohio State found our guy, I am sure we found theirs. Same with msu, PSU and others. That is why we changed our own signs last year. Who knows. Am I hoping for too much? No, I am not.
October 20th, 2023 at 2:50 PM ^
I think we need to blame Mike Mcdonald and Jesse Minter. This all supposedly started in 2021 when Michigan d stopped playing man every down. Also we should probably put some of the blame on Aidan since he wrecked every opponent.
October 20th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^
I heard Harbaugh puts his elbows on the table at dinner. That's worse than Jeffrey Epstein. Someone should report it.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:18 PM ^
Ryan Day cried like a little baby over Venables when he played Clemson.