Late-Game Play Calling/Strategy v. OSU

Submitted by GratefulBlue on November 29th, 2023 at 2:27 PM

Now that the game is a few days behind us and we've all had time to celebrate, I want other opinions on the end-of-game decisions. I'll preface my take with this: I'm old enough to remember the Lloyd Carr years clearly, and my POV is probably shaped by all the games Michigan lost, despite being the vastly superior team, because they didn't put teams away when they had the chance. 

So on the second to last drive, following the Edwards pass to Loveland, there's about 14 minutes to go in the 4th. Michigan has it 1st and 10 on the OSU 20. We're up 7 and we have all the momentum. Great, aggressive play calling has gotten us into FG range, but then we get two vanilla runs and a very safe WR screen to Semaj that immediately gets blown up. FG time. 

On the next drive, without Will Johnson, OSU pretty easily marches down the field and scores. We're now up just 3.

On our last drive, similar deal. As soon as we get into FG range, we go ultra-conservative with three very vanilla runs. Even knowing a first down wins the game, and knowing our best cornerback is out, we seemed content to play it safe and give OSU and Marvin Harrison Jr. the ball and the chance to beat us.

In real time, after kicking that last field goal to go up 6, I felt sure we'd had our chances to put the game away and were going to pay for squandering them. Thank goodness that didn't happen. But I wanted to see a lot more aggressiveness at the end of those final two drives.

I know people will disagree, but I for one absolutely would have gone for it on fourth down on the last drive in order to end the game then and there. My logic is that even if the 4th down try fails, OSU is then only down three, and might play it conservatively themselves (playing for OT) if they got down close enough to kick a tying field goal. Once Turner made the kick (less than a sure thing, given the circumstances), we were forcing OSU to try to score a game-winning TD. With a player like Harrison and our best CB out, I thought their odds of doing it were about 50/50. 

Again, relieved and elated with how it worked out. And I thought most of the day's play calling was solid. I can see how Moore, as interim coach, might have felt pressure to play it safe once points were at stake. But II think that with Harbaugh on the sideline, we might have shown more aggressiveness at the end of those final two drives, and maybe would have ended up winning by a wider margin, or at least not allowing OSU the ball and the chance to beat us on their final possession.

Johnny Blood

November 29th, 2023 at 2:32 PM ^

I agree that we could have been more aggressive once we got into field goal range.  Not sure about going for it on fourth down, but I definitely would have liked to see something more creative on the third down play - a jet sweep or a QB RPO.  

I also remember the Lloyd days and there were way too many games that we dominated throughout only to lose at the end because we settled for field goals.  

Asquaredroot

November 29th, 2023 at 2:37 PM ^

I agree with all of your points.

In the Carr era we also wound up winning a lot of close games that didn't need to be so nerve-wracking down the stretch.

Perhaps we have it backfire on us and lose some games for being too aggressive and turning the ball over or leaving too much clock, but I'd rather go down trying to score than going into an offensive shell when the game is still in doubt.

Vasav

November 29th, 2023 at 6:04 PM ^

I generally agree with what's been said here, that after the Edwards pass and that last Corum first down we should have opened it up a bit more. a PAP probably wins the game on the second one. BUT one thing about getting the FG and kicking it with 1 min left - it requires OSU to get a TD, and with 1 min we do not need to respect their run game. So our pass rush can tee off, and it did - it got home on 3 of the 4 snaps on OSU's next drive. The only one it didn't was when OSU tempo'd us, and additionally our DB's made plays on the ball on 3 of those 4 passes - a PBU on 1st down, a PBU/fumble on the penultimate play, and an INT on the last play.

raleighwood

November 29th, 2023 at 3:26 PM ^

This was sort of similar to the 2005 game.  OSU scored the last 13 points of the game...including the game winning TD with 0:24 to go.  I remember thinking that Michigan (Carr_) can't possibly give them the ball back....which they did.  Troy Smith marched the ball right down the field for the winning score (helped my Michigan's soft coverage).

The arc of the rivalry would be significantly different if Michigan had won the games they could have (2001, 2005, 2013, 2016).

 

SituationSoap

November 29th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^

I wanted the jet sweep on second and 9. I felt like they'd be playing hard for the run up the middle on second down, and if you save it for a potential third and long, it's a much more obvious place to use it. 

 

I really felt like if you'd run a jet sweep under center to Morgan on that second down, he probably goes untouched to the end zone. But I'm not a football coach.

trustBlue

November 29th, 2023 at 3:14 PM ^

In realtime I was thinking they should go for it on 4th down, but I'm pretty sure that kicking the field goal on 4th and forcing OSU to go for a touchdown was the right call. 

But they definitely needed to dial up a potential first down play on 3rd down. Basically you have one play there to win the whole ball game. Running inside on 3rd and 6th makes no sense if you plan to kick the field goal anyway. 

Its basically a "free" play at that point: Make the first down and win the game, or you don't make it and its the same field goal. You can even take a small loss on a sack, and you're still in comfortable field goal range. 

You basically have a free play to try to pick up 6 yards to win the game. At that point, you should be running whatever play you would you use if you were trailing in the final seconds of the game and were trying to pick up 4th and 6 to keep the drive alive. 

 

 

mabrsu

November 29th, 2023 at 3:50 PM ^

It seemed like the right call to kick cuz they needed a TD, and there was such little time left.  They had 1 TO left.

 

given how bad they are in short yardage and punching things in, getting a touchdown for them is never a sure thing. Especially if you have a safety back to stop 30+ yard TD passes

kalamazoo

November 29th, 2023 at 3:53 PM ^

I love this take. Free play.

Joel Klatt several days ago made the point that OSU felt it had the same play no matter what when their FG kicker missed it (2nd try after the timeout). He said they could have gotten a few more yards but it wouldn't have significantly changed the percentage. It just was a miss.

While I mildly agree (it is getting at the end of someone's range), his point is much better on your take above, since M had a shorter distance.

Free 1st down, 2nd down, and 3rd down plays. The FG is nearly a gimmee.

There is a middle ground of creative play and low chance for turnover. Jet sweep, great. Sideline pass that may pick up 2 yards or 10, still better than a run on 3rd down when it was already assumed we would run. RPO cool. Bootleg play-action with solid coaching to throw out of bounds if in trouble (perhaps this best on 1st down in case of sack), decent potentials.

Carr days were tough and I do remember many times we did get interceptions at the end of the games there to win, too.

But still, it's like teasing a cat with a string that is a little too high above it. Every once in a while it jumps higher than you think.

bcnihao

November 29th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^

"Sideline pass that may pick up 2 yards or 10, still better than a run on 3rd down when it was already assumed we would run. "

Except that an incomplete pass would stop the clock, saving time for tOSU.  The strategy of three run plays then kick the FG was frustrating, but it was understandable that the UM staff would want to keep the clock moving and make tOSU spend all of its timeouts.

Monkey House

November 29th, 2023 at 2:33 PM ^

Myself personally I would have been playing for 4 downs there. You get another 1st down and it's ball game on the backs of your oline. But it worked out so all is good 

Team 101

November 29th, 2023 at 2:35 PM ^

They play call on third down and 6 was too conservative.  Third Base saved his time out (for reasons I do not understand) so the clock was going to stop in any event if we missed the first down.  Third Base also had what seemed like 11 in the box gunning for Corum so something else had a much better chance of success.  As you indicate a first down would have ended the game and would have ended it in legendary fashion.

I would have gone for the field goal on fourth down.  With a minute and no time outs, a touchdown is a much less sure thing than a field goal.  The pressure to score ultimately led to the bad throw that ended the game.

Sherrone chose "What would Bo do?" and fortunately it worked for us and it is the Bucknuts who are sulking.

CTrace

November 29th, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^

^This

I came on here to say the same thing. Day made a stupid error in not calling time out after 2nd down. If he calls the time out, then we are forced to run and take the time off the clock on third. By allowing the time to already come off the clock, I felt this was the perfect time to attempt a pass and get the first down, because OSU would use a timeout anyway. Is forcing that last time out that critical?  In college, I do not think so with the clock stoppages after 1st downs. I would have liked them to have been more aggressive in that situation.

Knowing what we know now...Would you have rather Michigan get the first down and run out the clock winning 27-24 or take the 30-24 win with the INT?

goblu330

November 29th, 2023 at 2:35 PM ^

The last 4th down was a difficult call.  Literally 50/50.  I wanted them to go for it in real time.  However, upon reflection, I think it was the right call, and not just because it worked out.  My reasoning is that if OSU stops Michigan on 4th, they have 1.5 minutes left.  Even without any timeouts, almost their whole playbook is available to them.  All they need is 3.  I actually think that makes it MORE likely that they get themselves in a position to be within striking distance of a Harrison dagger.  With them down 6, no timeouts, they simply can’t run the ball so it takes away a big part of the field you have to account for.  They have to take chances through the air, which they do, and ultimately turn the ball over.

s1105615

November 29th, 2023 at 2:36 PM ^

I think UM expected to get the 1st down on 3rd and 6 by running the ball.  I think the worst case scenario they envisioned was a 4th and short that they would go for and convert.  Credit where it’s due to the OSU DLine making the play.  UM also had every reason to have faith that their D could defend the field for 60 seconds, so taking the 3 points to make OSU need to score a TD was a calculated risk that made sense.  
 

Big Time players make Big Time plays in Big Time games.  Harrell flattened some 4 or 5* OLineman and hit McCord, disrupting the throw and Rod Moore was in position to take advantage.  The play previous, Wallace forced either an INC or a fumble, he just didn’t get the bounce he deserved.  Bottom line, this team (and the two before it) are different than those teams, so you can’t dwell on negative ifs.  Revel in the reality of the positive what is.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 29th, 2023 at 2:36 PM ^

Re: the last drive: I'm definitely kicking by the time it's fourth down.  I don't want OSU to be able to send us into overtime by only getting to my 30 yard line.  

I did not like the call on third down.  It seemed very unlikely to yield a first down.  I think Klatt had a good thought that a run-pass option for JJ made sense.  I'd be interested to hear Coach Moore's explanation for handing off to Corum as he did...To be clear, this is the smallest of nitpicks at this point.  I will try to bear hug Moore if I ever see him in person.  Whether security stops me is another question.

JBLPSYCHED

November 29th, 2023 at 2:37 PM ^

I don't know what the analytics would say but rewatching the game last night when we got to the 3rd and 6 play on our final drive, it seemed clear to me that running the ball and making OSU use their final timeout was the right move.

Our running game gives us a decent shot at getting a first down (or TD), and if we don't get it then we (likely) turn a 3 pt. lead into a 6 point lead, thereby forcing OSU to drive 75+ yards for a TD against our great defense, on the road, with the crowd roaring.

You are correct that they moved the ball quickly downfield and having Harrison makes a huge difference. But the fact that McCord threw an interception due to our pressure on him was one of the likely ways that we end the game. It's all hindsight, of course, and Brian stated clearly on this week's pod that he wished we called a play on 3rd and 6 that was more likely to get a first down, but based on my rewatch I'm very glad that we didn't do so.

Greg McMurtry

November 29th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^

I hated the Semaj throw behind the line. Too far of a throw and poor blocking always blows those up. My initial thought was go for it on that last 4th down, but I thought we squandered yards the first 3 plays and that 4 yards would probably be a difficult get and was ok with the FG.

Ali G Bomaye

November 29th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^

I agree with you - I think going for it on 4th there would have been preferable. Get it and you end the game, OSU never gets back on offense. And the only difference if we fail is that OSU can tie with a FG.

But I think the bigger strategic error was calling a straightforward run on 3rd down. OSU didn't call timeout after second down, which was an error on their part. Even if we threw incomplete, letting OSU have a timeout on offense isn't a big deal, as it would probably only save them 10-15 seconds. But again, a completed pass ends the game. Or even if you don't want to risk a pass, a fly sweep or a JJ keep probably has a better chance of getting the first down than pounding Corum up the gut again. A gain of 3 and a loss of 3 are pretty much the same result, because either way we're kicking a mid-length FG.

jwfsouthpaw

November 29th, 2023 at 2:57 PM ^

Hard pass on going for a very uncertain 4th and 4 up by 3 points in near automatic field goal range with a minute left in the game. 

“The only difference if we fail is that OSU can tie with a field goal.” But that’s a huge difference, especially with only a minute left on the clock. And overtime is inherently risky, especially when the other team has momentum going into it.

100% agree that the third and 6 call is the one that should have been more aggressive.

BTB grad

November 29th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^

Yeah I’m convinced that with Harbaugh on the sidelines, both the PSU & OSU games have larger margins of victory. There definitely felt like a lot more conservatism on offense than we’re used to seeing with Harbaugh the last 3 seasons. It cannot be overlooked how difficult it would be as an interim coach (who’s just taking over temporarily until the head coach can get back which is an unprecedented situation) to make an overly aggressive call that ends up being the reason you lose the game so I get it and don’t blame him for it; it’s a really hard spot to step in. While much has been made of him being aggressive by going for it on 4th down thrice, they were pretty obvious decisions with them all being in plus territory and 1 yard or shorter to go (one of which was 4th & goal form the 1 inch line). I was convinced we were going to be on the wrong side of an instant classic when we gave OSU the ball back with a chance to win it. I’m glad it all worked out and now we get the head ball coach back before the playoffs for a shot to go win it all.

treetown

November 29th, 2023 at 2:39 PM ^

I get your point; we see this a lot in the NFL. A team gets a lead but leaves just enough time for the opponent to march down and win it.

Yes, like you when the pass from Donovan Edwards was complete to Loveland, it seems like the team would punch it in for a TD and basically ice the game.

CJ Stroud is clearly much better a QB than McCord, and in the two prior victories Michigan maintained a solid cushion - while his final drives were all snuffed out, Stroud was never as close as McCord was with only 6 points to tie, and 7 points to win.

But maybe that's the difference, McCord couldn't pull it out; he used up what little magical intangible pixie dust in the Notre Dame game. Marvin Harrison was his usual great self but were the other receivers as good as the 2021 set?

Let's see what the UFR reveals about those final series.

BlueFront89

November 29th, 2023 at 2:40 PM ^

We have one of the best defenses in the country. Moore knows that, and trusted them to close out the game. Kicking the FG to force OSU to drive the length of the field for a TD with 1 minute on the clock was absolutely the right call in that situation.  

Blue In NC

November 29th, 2023 at 2:40 PM ^

Of those you reference, I think the first series play calls could be faulted (I didn't like the screen pass to SM). 

The ending series, while maybe not ideal, is completely defensible given the time left and that you are forcing OSU to get a touchdown vs a FG.  If you go on 4th and don't get it (and I think coach Moore was tempted), OSU has a short field to get a FG and could still get a TD to win (you have to play tighter on D to protect against a FG, which opens up chances for a big play TD).

smitty1233

November 29th, 2023 at 2:42 PM ^

Everyone wants ultra aggressive play calling until you get failed attempts. If we go for it on the last fourth down instead of going up 6 and OSU drives down and kicks a FG to tie it and we lose in OT you feel the same way? 

IMO you play to your team strength which is running ball and defense and you pick your spots to be ultra aggressive.  

ebv

November 29th, 2023 at 2:43 PM ^

I think Brian answered this in the game column, showing the calculator - win probability is slightly higher going for it rather than kicking the field goal. However, it is extremely close, and confidence  in your kicker is a major factor.

During the game, I thought taking the points was the right decision. I personally think it is a better idea to keep your own team out of "do or die" situations, and put the other team in them instead. With one minute left, every play has to be a pass - M can drop lots of guys into coverage and the D-line can empty the tank, knowing this is decisive. Sure, Will Johnson was out, but Sainristil (with safety help) was in good position to tackle on the catch. He may not have been getting pbus, but his coverage was not a disaster. OSU was forced to put the ball in the air continuously on that drive, with a sack or interception ending the game.