Harlond Beverly to U Miami (probably)
onward!
Welp. On one hand I can't blame him because that campus is literally a resort and the girls are beautiful, but it also sucks to miss out on him
It may be a loooong basketball season next year, boys
Teams are going to try to absolutely suffocate us on the perimeter. Few guys on the team capable of getting to the bucket on their own and only one 3 pt shooter in Livers. Gonna be a slow go on the offensive end compared to years past.
I doubt our offense will be as bad as it was this year, frankly.
Didn't Michigan just lose their top 3 scorers?
There's a lot of blind faith right now.
As is, the offense doesn't look good. That could change with a grad transfer/Wagner/combination. But there are legitimate concerns going into next season as we stand. We lost our 3 best scorers, and we only played 6 people regularly.
The “top 3 scorers” on a gruesomely bad offense does not do much for me.
You know that they were better options than the kids on the bench, right?
That's because most of the kids on the bench were literally freshmen. Both DeJulius and Adrien Nunez were great shooters in high school. Nunez shouldnt be much more than a role player next year, but we could have used a role player this year that could shoot. You know the staff will be targeting shooting to finish 2019 recruiting, especially on the grad transfer wire. I think it will be better than it now looks. Charles Matthews was not a great shooter, so whoever fills that role will at least be a more efficient shooter.
I agree with most of that, but I'm not sure you see that as soon as next season. We didn't see much at all from those guys this season.
It seems like it could be a true rebuild next season in hopes for a big 2021 campaign. Not saying next year will be bad, but the regular season will not look like 2018 or 2019.
Easy footballguy stay in your line.
But yeah that is a bit troublesome
April 16th, 2019 at 11:48 AM ^
The golf guy is telling the football guy to stay in his own lane in a basketball thread.
We shall see. Honestly, I don’t think you will prove to be correct. I don’t think Beilein ran a short rotation for want of talent this year. I think there were other issues he was managing and made some calculated decisions regarding short term v long term success.
April 15th, 2019 at 10:50 PM ^
I am guessing Poole comes back.
April 16th, 2019 at 11:03 AM ^
Yes, but what they lose in experience, they make up with in an extra year of experience for Livers, Castleton, Johns, and DeJulius. All of Michigans top 3 scorers had flaws, none of them were irreplaceable. Iggy was great, but didn't seem like he knew how to counter defensive adjustments late in games, Poole and Chuckie were both streaky and weren't consistent one on one players who could be counted on to create offense. Not to mention, Poole still may come back and Jalen is going to be a good one. I think next years team will be better. It will have more versatility running the offense 1-4, with a deeper bench. I'm optimistic
April 15th, 2019 at 11:00 PM ^
Michigan was 24th in the country in KenPom offensive efficiency. Considering the shooting problem, that's not bad.
The big thing they need to improve on is to punish defense with 1-5 switches by forcing them to not to do that again.
If we can pull Wagner and Justin Pierce/Rayjon Tucker we'll be fine
Rayjon Tucker is not coming here
I love these types of posts. There isn't even a rumor that either guy is coming here and Wagner may just continue to play pro ball.
Pierce is literally visiting Michigan in a week or two and Michigan is Wagner's top school if he comes to play college ball, which is a decent possibility since he gets like 7 minutes a game in Berlin. Tucker is more of a dream
April 15th, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^
If Pierce comes I doubt Wagner will come all the way from Germany for to play on a roster full of Wings (Livers, Johns, Wilson, Pierce). And if they both did end up on the roster who’s gonna play the 2 beyond Brooks? Bajema? Nunez?
It'll be different; more defensive, not as dynamic offensively. But it's remotely beyond the pale that a couple of the younger guys take steps forward and the team is functional offensively. Yes, they probably aren't making a run to the FF, but I've seen enough Beilein teams figure themselves out to not discount them in April.
Okay, so we don't appear to have the makeup for a team that will start 17-0 and be a top 5 team pretty much the entire season.
People are quick to forget what JB has done here with less pure talent.
In the end, we gotta trust JB to figure it out - dude has earned that much.
Like others have said already, the freshman from this year will be different players next year. The only "if" necessary to make UM a season-long Top 25 unit is if the 4-5 freshman to hit Camp Sanderson hard and come back improved - and when hasn't that happened here?
Would anyone really be made with finishing 2nd or 3rd in the B1G, go something like 25-10, getting a 4/5 seed and then making a run to the Sweet 16 again, then playing with house money passed that?
JB will figure it out, and even if he doesn't, shit happens and life goes on. We will all still cheer for the guys.
Good luck to him.
Looking forward to seeing how we piece together the roster of the next few weeks. I, for one, am confident Coach B will have us competing at the highest level again next year.
Hopefully. This type of attrition is really rough for programs like us that develop kids over a 2-4 year span.
As is, it doesn't look optimistic. But a grad transfer and Wagner would change everything
I thought the same thing before Beverly's decision, he was not going to be a likely solution next year. A transfer and Wagner are more likely to immediately fill holes. Especially with the defense demands that Michigan places on their players.
Lol, people have said attrition like this is tough for programs like ours since Burke and Hardaway left and here we are, three straight sweet 16s and two straight 30 win seasons. Also, this past year’s freshmen class was one of Beilein’s highest ranked ever, so maybe, just maybe, that scorers that we need is already on the team
We were fucked after our 2011 and 2012 classes all left after 2 seasons, which resulted in 2015 being bad, and 2016 being mediocre. Yeah, there were injuries, but there was a noticeable drop in basketball product because of the attrition.
We lost 60% of our scoring after 2018, and we had Poole step up and a freshman with an immediate impact for 2019. After the season, everybody said "wow, we won 30 games in a rebuilding year).
Well, our top 3 scorers are gone from that rebuild, 2 of which are incredible offensive talents. It's not great when the "rebuild" year ends with everybody leaving. The concerns for next season are legitimate right now.
Everyone was concerned this year because we lost Wagner and MAAR and Duncan. Everyone was concerned last year when Walton, Wilson, and Irvin left. Everyone was concerned two years ago when Spike, Cam, Caris, Dawkins and Doyle were gone and we didn’t have any depth. How many years in a row are we going to be super concerned with next year and then win 20-25 regular season games before we even get to the tournament.
You can’t just say “yeah, but injuries” about 2015 and 2016 and completely ignore that the injuries were to a future first round draft pick (and possibly the best player Beilein has ever brought into Ann Arbor) and two other five star players, all starters. Attrition is fine with Beilein teams unless you lose all your starters and then have all your returning good players get injured. Next year will be a rebuilding year but it isn’t like 2015 or 2016 unless we have that attrition and 3 starters go down with injuries that take them out for a year.
But I agree, if Livers, Teske, and Simpson go down with season ending injuries, we will probably have a rough year
Why do we keep having so many early departures? Early departures work for a program when they are of true one-and-done skill and can be immediately restocked with other players of true one-and-done skill. This is not Beilein and is not Michigan. Either need to start trying to recruit the true superstar recruits (which will never work with the other schools and coaches at play for them) or get the lesser guys to stay 3,4 years. Weird.
So you don't want the type of basketball success that JB has had at Michigan because recruits are leaving after 2 years?
Huh......
The sky is not Falling!!! Change is apart of life. We have 3 players who were Freshman this year. Nunez, Dejuluis, & Castleton who are gonna be different players next year. Teske, Livers, And X will all be better. You don't know what Jalen Wilson or Bajema will be & Mr Beilein will be adding at least 2 more players. Breath, relax, Michigan will be alright.
The Sky isn't Falling, we just don't know what the team will look like.
Don't mistake unknown with Shitty. Go Blue Boyz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do like your positive attitude, don't get me wrong. But I'd say there is reason to be concerned about next season. Yes, Nunez, DDJ, and Castleton could be different players.....OR they could be the next Ibi or Austin Davis and just kind of be what they are. Beilein has had some recruiting misses before, so it's not unheard of.
I have immense faith in Coach B but I'm concerned. It's starting to feel like the players that are left will be, putting it frankly, last options. I'm hopeful they turn out more like Carius or Rahk but only time will tell.
Beilein's a magician and even if we do have a down year, we'll be right back up there the year after but I think it's fair to call next season's lineup at this point, to be concerning.
Did Johns disappear? There's no guarantee that Beilein adds two players and even if he does the pickings are slimmer this late in the season.
I mean this is one of the few times we've been in this situation. We knew Matthews was leaving. Iggy leaving isn't completely unreasonable. Poole is the only one's decision I question if he stays in the draft, but also it definitely seems like he was mentally checked out of this team since midway through the season
2013+2014 attrition caused a down 2015 and even 2016.
Yes, Levert was injured, but it still wouldn't have been great
Then they have to go the undrafted route or go overseas. You can only come back post NBA draft if you were invited to the combine. Not sure if they will or not. So if they're not, they need to fire their agents and remove themselves from the draft in order to come back
But all insider information points to all 3 being 99.9% gone. Poole doesn't want to be at Michigan
I believe there was a rule change this year to allow undrafted players back.
If they are invited to the combine.
If you, you have to withdraw by May 29th. Also, the draft is so late - we may have moved on by then
Haha... Yeah get the 3 star guys nobody wants, or get the McDonald's All America's. This is a great idea. I can't believe Belein hasn't done this yet. It's a very simple plan, everyone else is doing it.
Not going to disagree completely, but the main goal for the University of Michigan Basketball team is not to send kids into the NBA. That's part of it, but that is not the main goal.
Very true.
Honestly, I think people are more upset with kids leaving this year than previous years because there was a lot to be desired after this season. They were so close to many of the big goals for the team, but fell short on literally all of them (Final Four, B1G, B1G Tourney, Beat MSU).
The kids leaving after 13, 14, and then Wagner in 18 made sense. They all accomplished big time goals, and were mostly all 1st round picks. None of the kids leaving this year will be first rounders, and they didn't really win anything last year. This is more directed at Poole and Iggy, not Matthews, as Matthews graduated and was in college for 4 years.
Not saying the kids are making wrong decisions. But from a fan's perspective, it kind of stinks because they are good players and we know how good we'll be if they stay.
(which will never work with the other schools and coaches who pay for them) *fixed your typo*
Need Franz, Quinones, and a grad transfer. In Beilein we trust!
This Franz Wagner hype is getting out of hand. Would I like him? Of course, but for people to expect him to come in and be an X factor at his size and overall athletic ability is nuts. Let’s pump the breaks a little there. He is 2 year project I would guess. Harlond Beverly could have came in and been a decent back up guard, but he wasn’t a great fit for us. Quinones is the best fit for our need and could be a valuable player off the bench for us. Grad transfers are a crapshoot it seems like, if I could have one, it’d be the Tucker kid.