Does Howards’s behavior begin to become a problem?

This board has a history of looking for reasons to fire coaches the minute something goes wrong. It happened with Harbaugh, Beilein, Bakich etc. Learn from past mistakes and give a coach some time before freaking out. If there is another Wisconsin incident it may warrant action but this isn't it. Knee jerk reactions without a ton of data will get you a $95 mil Mel Tucker situation. 

It's interesting the difference in how people react this type of stuff when Izzo does it versus when Juwan does it

Is anyone confident he’s *not* going to have another incident like he had against Wisconsin last year? 

Does Izzo's behavior begin to become a problem?

Basketball has been a disappointment. I think Warde will ride out Juwan until he gets a gig in the NBA and leaves Michigan.  I am guessing that will be another 1-3 years at max.

I don't give a shit whether he's a testy S.O.B. or not, all I care about is the product on the court. And if there's any reason for Michigan to reconsider it'd be on those grounds.

What we have learned so far is that the change from the Beilein system concept to a more high-end recruiting oriented approach has not yielded an improvement in outcomes.

The team and Bufkin are what to watch here.  If the players are in a bad situation with Howard it could play out badly from here.  I don't think he is Bobby Knight but he is not Beilein either.  He is a very good bball coach but if he has problems controlling his temper and continues physically acting out Warde and the regents should take steps to ensure the program stays on the right track.  The loose end that concerns me at this point is the venom Collins brought to the game earlier this year against us.  Beilein's ability to develop players was special and I cherish the teams he had that went 9-9 in conference play for a few years and turned the program around by overachieving and sheer grit.  Winning stuff is fun but the point of sports is playing and trying to win fairly and with integrity.  I think Juwan can do this and I hope Jalen and his peers help him with this going forward.  

Well considering I've got buckeye friends who keep bringing it up, I'd say it's a problem for me now. I'm fine with a coach who gets fired up and yells occasionally, but when the players have to hold him back he's got a problem. It's embarrassing for me that shit like this keeps happening. At least he didn't hit anyone this time I guess.

Howard didn't do anything wrong.  It's normal for coaches to get heated - even Beilein.  The angry elf in Lansing acts like a raving lunatic probably at least once a game.  I only worry because of the prior incident.  I love Juwan as a coach and would hate for anything to happen again and cost him his job at Michigan.  Even a minor incident might get blown out of proportion at this point.

Personally I'm more concerned about the lack of player development.  Maybe that's just me?

Bufkin has improved. The bigs have definitely improved their footwork and post moves under Howard.  

Elsewhere, I really havent seen a ton of player development since Beilein left.  Although maybe that's an unfair standard because Beilien was an elite coach who took lesser known recruits and consistently developed them and maximized their talent throughout their college careers.  I'm just not seeing the same player development under Howard.  

Someone needs to start playing some fucking defense. 

Juwan has tried the 1-and-done route, which JB pretty much avoided, and it burned us this year. We lost Livers (a JB guy) who helped provide some stability. Plus the two FR who did get drafted but haven't made big waves this season in the NBA and could have benefited from another year. The question for the next season is how many minutes leave the roster, either through transfers or going pro. 

The guy has a covid year, where we would have been a 7/8 seed. The Elite 8 year, mostly with JB guys, and Sweet 16, with HD (JH's guy) and Livers plus the two FR.

I don't mind a fiery coach. Not sure exactly what ran up before this play, but both sides said it was a chippy game, and the general consensus is we were playing against both UNC and the refs.

Let's see where this team is around March 1st and if they are ready for another run, or for an NIT. I have no freaking idea what to expect but feel, even if this year ends up short of the NCAA, you don't make changes this early. Let's see what he does closing out 2023 recruiting.

We're definitely not the hunted like we were at the beginning of last year. 

He's got to go. Should have fired him last year after the Wisconsin shit. He's not a good coach so why are we putting up with this?

Neg away, idc. 

When he's reaching Izzo mode or throwing chairs across the court. That be the time for an intervention.

I did see Hubert Davis.  He wasn't hinged.

If he shrinks two feet, dresses as an elf, exhibits this behavior for 25 more years and abuses his own players then that will be a concern and we will lose him to Lansing. This keeps me up at night.

concern troll is troll.

remember when concern trolls like you were bitching about harbaugh occasionally losing his shit on the sideline?  good fucking times, man.

He cannot show that kind of anger doing his job.......otherwise won't be his job for long.

I don’t watch basketball so I’m not familiar with JH’s behavior, but I didn’t think this clip looked that bad. I wouldn’t call that being restrained, someone stepped in to disrupt his ranting (or whatever), they didn’t hold him back.  He didn’t seem out of control, just pissed about whatever it was.  

I’m still embarrassed that he hit someone though. I don’t really mind how it was handled by the university, but it’s embarrassing when a Michigan coach does something stupid like that at an event.  

I think the pressure is getting to JH. This is a very difficult job to identify talent and recruit kids. Also difficult to establish an identity and develop towards that. I've heard him say over and over he wants to play 'positionless' basketball. Because that's the NBA style. Only problem is he's doing it with a 1980s NBA style center. I realize he's our best player, but the 5 spot is probably the most important for positionless basketball. My point is he still doesn't have an identity besides throwing 5 guys on the floor and letting them play. And with only 1 workable point guard to boot. 

Being a Head Coach at a school like Michigan is a huge challenge, and here we are doing it with a guy who has zero experience.  Time will tell. My gut feeling is he done when his kids are done at Michigan. 

I think he'll be a better pro coach than college. I think he'll leave not long after his kids do. I think his behavior will only be a problem if he aggressively caresses another coach's face again. I have little faith our next coaching hire will be a good one. I don't know how any college coach stays sane in todays nil/portal/early nba entry era. Can we steal Matt Painter?

Personally, I believe it is an issue. Juwan should really get help with his emotions. He is a coach and mentor he has to be held to a higher standard, by himself and the University. It's only a matter of time before he goes Woody Hayes on someone, again. The excuse that he is a competitor, other coaches do it is simply an excuse that isn't helpful. 

No.  I am more concerned about player development and wins & losses.

so you are saying if team wasn't underperforming then Warde should ignore?

You can fuck ALLLL the way off Mayor.

It still seems crazy to me to compare Howard to Beilein. I mean ... Beilein left. He left. He wasn't fired so that we could hire Howard. And we should be really careful about assuming that we could upgrade from Howard easily if we moved on from him.

All those recruits we've been getting? Diabate, Jett Howard, etc.? We weren't getting them under Beilein, and I like how quickly we assume whoever replaces Howard would keep that pipeline going. Remember the kind of players we got under Tommy Amaker and Brian Ellerbe?

I'm not delighted with this year's results either. But damn, we were the only Big Ten team to get to the Sweet Sixteen last year, and the year before we're one Fritz Wagner airball away from getting to the Final Four (despite missing our best player). Iowa lost at home two nights ago to a 30+ point underdog. Disappointing results are part of the deal.

Fuck we're a fickle fanbase.