Does Howards’s behavior begin to become a problem?
I know many of you don’t follow twitter so I’m sorry in advance. I’m sure many have seen this but I just wonder how long can Howard act unhinged and survive after last year? He clearly has trouble handling his emotions and when Bufkin pulls him back and around his shoulder hits KB’s chin and clearly says get the F off me or some variation. I have been a 100% supporter of Juwan, my profile pic will prove it. However, after last year how much wiggle room is left? Especially with the team kind of underperforming does Warde take a look? Probably not with his track record of letting things go. What say you all?
https://twitter.com/mikelacett/status/1605771652683399169?s=61&t=71YKMUUbP3gdp1XipDLvKw
December 22nd, 2022 at 5:37 PM ^
It's not about race sprry. The guy is a multi millionaire, has had a successful life and career, raised two successful sons, and needs to get his anger issues sorted out. It's called psychotherapy, put your past in the past, all of your past.
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:40 PM ^
Beat TCU
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:41 PM ^
Coach K would go on tirades all the time. This is nothing, but is getting amplified attention because of the Wisconsin incident last year. Juwan is getting the most of out this young roster. As long as he isn't swing at anyone, I am more than happy to see some shouting and energy from the coach.
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:45 PM ^
But he has swung before, at an opposing coach, no less. And I don't recall ever seeing another coach yelling expletives at his own players who were trying to restrain him (although it's quite possible I've just missed the comparable examples!).
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:13 PM ^
Honestly, that is fair...can't be swearing at players trying to get you under control.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:09 PM ^
The problem when he shows some "energy" or goes on a tirade which is needed at times I get it and agree its a part of coaching it will forever be tied back to him taking a swing, slap or whatever it was he did. That isn't going away no matter how much we want it to in the public eye.... That could lead to perception issues of the program eventually and already has him. I want Juwann to succeed and up until that point of the slap was fully on board. He can win me back and his little tirade last night didn't do anything to slow that but people are going to question and critique has every professional move and I'm not sure it isn't rightfully so....
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:41 PM ^
They need to look at a change after this year. Not only is he under the gun because of the Wisconsin brouhaha but his team building is beginning to look suspect. You could make the argument he had a couple Wil E. Coyote seasons from what Beilein built. The program has been back sliding. And then to have a senior Hunter Dickinson get manhandled last night and his constant shit talking is just not great.
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:43 PM ^
Yes. Personally I think he deserved to be fired last year after the incident with Maryland. This is another example and it doesn't look like things are improving. It's embarrassing for the U and our kids deserve a better role model than this.
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:44 PM ^
I think it's this simple: We can't have a Wisconsin Part II, but this is a bunch of nothing otherwise. I doubt very much that Bufkin was bothered by this. A coach swearing at or near a player is hardly news. Does anyone here think Bo never had a choice word?
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:46 PM ^
I'm sure that this is an unpopular take, but I've had it with him and I wish they would have done the right thing and fired him after the incident with the Wisconsin coach. I find myself longing for the days of JB. Man, do I wish he was Michigan's coach again.
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:47 PM ^
Unproductive coach behavior but also not noteworthy. Izzo, Fran, Underwood look like this all the time naming a few in the league off the top of my head.
The Wisconsin thing obviously can’t happen again but he’s not going to get fired for yelling, and shouldn’t be.
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:50 PM ^
This is an absolute trash take missing any context of what was happening in the game at the time. Howard was upset that two plays earlier, TWill had seemingly been called out on a bang bang play and wanted a review (replay indicated he WAS out, but it was close enough to probably warrant double checking the play). Then Hunter was called for a foul after U of M came up empty on the next possession. Replay showed Hunter never made any contact with the player and successfully punched the ball out from behind. Compound that with it being a tight and physical game already and it was simply a head coach venting those frustrations to a ref who wanted to hear none of it. Complete nothingburger and something every coach does in nearly every game (including Hubert Davis earlier in the game for a far more extended period of time)
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:41 PM ^
So the end justifies the means? I think your take that is rife with whataboutism is trash as well. But I respect it. However, we just see it differently.
December 22nd, 2022 at 6:20 PM ^
Your definition of 'whataboutism' appears to be so broad that it eliminates discussion of any context for the actions, and eliminates the possibility of assessing the severity of them by comparing them to any other coach's actions.
To take a more serious example-- if someone points out massive sentencing disparities in our justice system, should that be dismissed as 'whataboutism'?
December 22nd, 2022 at 6:47 PM ^
From a context standpoint let’s examine the same actions. Did Hubert push away his son or another player and say get the F off me and actually have his shoulder hit the chin of a player? If so, let’s start there. Once again I’m not discounting what the others did. Let’s argue each on the merits not as divergent views.
And to your point about sentencing disparities I think they should definitely be addressed and should be rectified but I am definitely not an expert in the law. I’m all for fairness/equity.
December 22nd, 2022 at 5:31 PM ^
They allowed Hubert to vent, because Hubert literally says,"darn it!" Juwan, not so much. It's ok it's a sin to vent to referees that actually talked for a whole minute to the opposing coach. While literally not only ignoring Juwan, he got zero explanation about what was going on, on the other end of the court.
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:51 PM ^
To the OP, I know you are (probably) trying to have a good faith discussion but this post is going to turn into nothing but a whataboutism discussion on Izzo and whichever other coach typically loses it during games and then someone else will show up and explain that posting critiques of Juwan is racist right after they get done shitting on Mel Tucker, "Frames Janklin" or Kevin Warren in another thread, which is of course not racist. Good luck.
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:55 PM ^
Posting a non-incident and calling Juwan "unhinged" is not indicative of "good faith."
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:37 PM ^
Well, I wouldn’t say he was hinged or in control. At the best he was showing passion at the worst he had to be restrained. I have been a 100 % supporter of Juwan. I thought it was worthy of a discussion and it was not a “non incident” as you have stated because the 85 or so comments prove otherwise.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:39 PM ^
I think most people here are able to have a healthy discussion. I’ve been guilty of in the past being combative, so I don’t take it personal. I’ve learned to try to see other peoples opinions, and I understand that their worldview might be different than mine. That’s what makes life great!
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:56 PM ^
I support coach Howard 💯 x 💯 Michigan is lucky to have him. Rough season yes but we are going places longer term.
December 22nd, 2022 at 1:57 PM ^
At this rate, it won't be any temper he might has that does him in. It'll be that his team isn't any good. For as much talent as he has, they should certainly be a lot better than this. They shouldn't be squeaking by everyone they play or getting blown out by bad ASU teams.
Its a darn shame, because they were so stinking good two years ago, and that wasn't just a team of "Beilein's guys." Franz was never really "Beilein's guy," and neither was Mike Smith, Chaundee Brown, and especially not Hunter Dickinson, who were all extremely big contributors on that Elite Eight run. So Howard knows how to coach, but I'm not smart enough to know what the problem is.
I just know there is one.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:12 PM ^
While you are right about the players not being Beilein's guys, think there could be some development issues. Year one of Hunter was really good, but was that because he came in as that dude? Mike Smith and Chaundee Brown played one season at Michigan. Franz for sure got better though. I very well could be wrong because I hesitate to make claims when there's so much lack of knowledge on the outside. But that's my two cents.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:00 PM ^
I think it already is. As an alumnus, and someone who likes to think Michigan has very high standards with respect to coach conduct, I am frankly a little embarassed by his behavior.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:06 PM ^
Thank God for Football... really helps alleviate my disappointment of the MBB team´s level of play. It does feel like we have regressed year after year. I still hope Huwan is the right guy and should be givem the chance to right the ship. Changes need to be made ASAP and recruiting strategy has to change. I hope the negative trend does not continue next season.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:06 PM ^
Y'all need to chill lol. This was a nothing burger. There is an ocean of difference between his altercation last year and this.
And also, that ref was a jackwagon and that crew missed several critical calls late in the game. i was also frustrated.
December 22nd, 2022 at 5:34 PM ^
Exactly. It came to a head. Anyone who maybe played the game or participated once in organized sports can attest that when one end of the court continues to garner calls; it becomes a huge issue or mountain to climb, in game.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:07 PM ^
Yawn. Watch Tom Izzo in almost any game.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:10 PM ^
If we're winning, Howard would be "intense" amirite? But our performance is lukewarm, so his "behavior" is a problem. I've seen this movie before.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:23 PM ^
No! You can take the man out of Chicago, but you can't take the Chicago out of the man.
Juwan is a fantastic coach. He has a hard edge that probably can use some refining, but I would be honored to have child coached by Juwan.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:25 PM ^
don’t understand all the negatives on OP. yes, media does what it does, and a lot of other coaches do the same. doesn’t mean that Juwan shouldn’t be better in control his emotions on the sidelines.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:26 PM ^
Going out on a limb, but the people in this thread who say his behavior is a problem and that he should have been fired last year are really just mad the team isn't winning. If we were undefeated and won by 20 last night then those comments wouldn't exist--in part because the thread itself wouldn't exist
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:38 PM ^
It's a valid point, but JH lost a lot of my support after the coach punching incident last year. I just found that to be a critical breaking point in ability to lead, and felt that way even after the tournament run last year.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:54 PM ^
"coach punching incident" what the actual fuck
December 22nd, 2022 at 4:09 PM ^
So Juwan Howard made a fist and then swung his arm at a Wisconsin assistant mens basketball coach. The fallout was indeed an incident that resulted in a suspension. Am I missing something?
December 22nd, 2022 at 5:04 PM ^
He didn’t make a fist.
December 22nd, 2022 at 5:37 PM ^
You see how interpretation becomes after 80 something comments. The nothing-burger has become a Juwan Howard, "Hong Kong Phooey Chop!"
December 22nd, 2022 at 3:17 PM ^
“Coach punching,” Really? WTF, dude. Words matter. Try to at least be accurate with your choice of words.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:56 PM ^
If we were undefeated and had won by 20 last night, Howard probably would not have reacted the way he did. If he did, in light of multiple previous episodes, I personally would wonder if it was a problem.
Howard should understand that he is on a shorter leash because of his past history. If he doesn’t understand that, or he does understand that and still can’t control his temper, there is almost certainly a problem.
December 22nd, 2022 at 6:24 PM ^
Coach K won more games than anyone yet was a bigger asshole than anyone
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:28 PM ^
He ain't no Beilein.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:35 PM ^
I think there is a maturity problem with JH and he is 49 years old - to me that's a bit of an issue.
If you are going to get angry on the court, you really have to pick your spots and it shouldnt be a regular thing.
December 22nd, 2022 at 5:38 PM ^
Oh my. Username checks out.
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:39 PM ^
Well Bufkin seems unphased or offended by whatever Juwan said so my guess is this is nothing. TBH college officiating is so bad on all levels that a lot of them deserve an earful from these coaches (unless you are an angry elf of course).
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:41 PM ^
A coach yelling at a ref? Why I never!
December 22nd, 2022 at 2:42 PM ^
Juwan Howard is an idiot.
I’ll be glad when he leaves and I can become a Michigan basketball fan again
December 22nd, 2022 at 3:19 PM ^
You’re not wanted back.
December 22nd, 2022 at 4:58 PM ^
Thanks for the insight. I’ll check back with you beforehand to see if what you say still holds true.
not trying to give you a big ego, but you strike me as someone with a lot of sway in this matter
December 22nd, 2022 at 5:21 PM ^
I suggest you re-read your original post.
December 22nd, 2022 at 5:38 PM ^
At all!!!