MGlobules

November 8th, 2023 at 9:31 AM ^

You know that those stupid f*ckers are sitting there pissing themselves in the B1G office this morning, trying to figure out how to proceed now! But would I be in the minority if I said that I'm half-hoping that they continue to double down? I think that it would be healthy if the public were forced to look all of this in the eye. A timeline of Big Ten duplicity and cheating, going back half a century of so, would be fascinating to read. And offer a much better-balanced picture to make some changes going forward.

Sweeping this under the rug or saying never mind, at this stage? 'Stoodis. 'Sgo!

lhglrkwg

November 8th, 2023 at 9:58 AM ^

I don't really think OSU is a totally rational actor right now. They are THE(TM) most spoiled fanbase in American sports having never experienced a serious downturn in their lives. Losing to Michigan twice in a row is an existential crisis for them and I think they - from Ryan Day all the way to the bottom - are desperate to change the trajectory of the rivalry which is why they are desperately clinging to this being a massive scandal instead of a technical rule violation.

I'm hoping they keep pressing their luck because I feel like they're gonna end up looking terrible by the end of it

Eleven Worriers

November 8th, 2023 at 10:45 AM ^

Couldn't agree more.  Assume for a moment that Pettiti backs down and announces they will wait for the NCAA investigation.  Is it better for Michigan to 1) take a "you poked the bear" scorched earth approach; 2) sit quietly on the info they have and call it good; or 3) release selected dirty laundry on other schools while making it understood there is more there?  

Personally, I think option 3 is the most effective.  You forcefully hit back while making it clear that no one should ever try to try a stunt like this on them again.  Peace through strength.

DelhiWolverine

November 8th, 2023 at 8:51 AM ^

100%. And here's the core point made in the article - rival coaches manipulated naive leadership into thinking a very benign action was the "worse than nearly any scandal in Big Ten history" when it was actually the exact same thing they themselves were doing.

Charlie Baker has been NCAA president since March. Tony Petitti has been Big Ten Commissioner since May. Neither has much experience with this stuff — Baker was a politician, Petitti mostly a television executive. 

They didn’t know what they didn’t know. Together they opened Pandora’s Box.

Mostly they listened to football coaches who view one kind of advanced scouting as gamesmanship, and another as a kind of crime. The coaches’ reasoning? Sending around stolen signs and game plans is common practice, so they don’t care. What Connor Stalions did is apparently not so common, so they did care.

But who in their right mind would listen to such reasoning? Who would be so dumb to agree with it? Who would let the thieves define theft? 

Football coaches are rarely deep thinkers. They aren’t spending time contemplating law, precedent, ethics or unintended consequences. They just want Jim Harbaugh gone. 

JBurd

November 8th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^

"But who in their right mind would listen to such reasoning? Who would be so dumb to agree with it? Who would let the thieves define theft? 

Football coaches are rarely deep thinkers. They aren’t spending time contemplating law, precedent, ethics or unintended consequences. They just want Jim Harbaugh gone. "

 

Wetzel perfectly summarizes how the entire Michigan community has felt for the past two weeks. Finally, it comes from a reporter who the dullards in Ohio can't write off as a biased Michigan take (even though they'll still try). Props to Wetzel for telling it how it is instead of trying to drum up controversy for clicks. He has earned my respect.

MGoGoGo

November 8th, 2023 at 11:20 AM ^

Agreed. Not to excuse Petitti's lack of leadership, but he should be pissed at the other coaches and administrators.  He's been misled by them and made to look foolish (although he is culpable for allowing himself to be misled).  Petitti should convene another call and crack some heads together, threatening investigations of all B1G teams unless they immediately stop the orchestrated PR campaign/witch hunt targeting Harbaugh.  This has made the conference look bad all around (people comparing B1G to the SEC fergodsakes) and made Petitti look weak.  

los barcos

November 8th, 2023 at 8:19 AM ^

Dan lives in SE MI and clearly has some friends in the administration. He’s very well plugged in, and has had the most “positive” take on this. He should also be a known friend status at this point, same as David schuster

bluecanuk

November 8th, 2023 at 9:07 AM ^

Great info - I wondered if he likely has a Michigan connection. I saw he was a yahoo author and wondered but his wiki resume is pretty impressive. 
 

his piece is a great appeal to reason and hopefully this moves from the tribal state it’s in to common sense if that’s possible

Michigan - keep up the PR campaign. 
 

 

msd248

November 8th, 2023 at 9:46 AM ^

I'm not sure I would put him in the "positive" category. If anything, I would put him in the balanced/negative category. Remember, he was the one that originally broke this story for Yahoo news. Until the last few days, he was pretty open to a real penalty for Harbaugh

MgofanNC

November 8th, 2023 at 10:29 AM ^

I listen to and read a lot of Wetzel. I don't think he is Pro UM. I think he Neutral UM. But I do think, given his proximity to UM that he is particularly plugged in to what happens around that program. 

He is a different kind of thinker/journalist when it comes to College Football and the "leadership" around college football. He doesn't hesitate to call out how dumb the sport is/can be and he is usually, I think pretty spot on with his observations and critiques.

I'm not one to go out of my way to praise, critique, or bash journalists/journalism. I think it is a thankless job in many ways. That said, I do think Wetzel does a great job and would encourage anyone to check his stuff out. In my experience, he is insightful, thought provoking, and fair. 

 

jmblue

November 8th, 2023 at 9:49 AM ^

Most significantly - Yahoo ran this piece.

This whole thing has reeked of agenda-driven reporting.  When this story first broke, the week of the MSU game, much of the media shrugged their shoulders.  Then - particularly at ESPN and the Athletic - they seemed to get orders from above to sensationalize this as much as possible, and suddenly people like Finebaum did a 180 and called this a "scandal."

I don't think most of these reporters actually have it in for us (Thamel, maybe).  They've been fed a company line to make this a huge story and the feeding frenzy commenced.  But you can only beat the drum so long about a rule that the NCAA nearly abolished two years ago, saying it offered "minimal competitive advantage."  

The new developments about the BTCG last year are a fresh angle.  "Big Ten coaches are a bunch of hypocrites" will get page views.  The AP, SI, Yahoo and even ESPN have now run stories about it.  Stewart Mandel was leading the charge against us a few days ago and now is questioning the other coaches' motives.

The deafening chorus at Tony Pettiti's door to punish us is fizzling out.  He has room to backtrack now.

Wendyk5

November 8th, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^

I keep wondering why these opinion writers get to be called reporters. Sports journalism is mostly an oxymoron, especially when there's a breaking story and they need to be measured and judicious in their reporting. They're opinion writers, used to editorializing after the fact. 

jtstag

November 8th, 2023 at 8:41 AM ^

I really hope the narrative is shifting.  Unfortunately the sensationalized lies over the last few weeks have become talking points that people just regurgitate.  The lies were for ratings and clicks. The talking points require no additional thought of new information. 

lhglrkwg

November 8th, 2023 at 10:00 AM ^

They seriously believe that because Connor (may have) broken a rule that it's heinous and since OSU, Rutgers, and Purdue may have technically not broken a rule that it's fine. They're trying to claim OSU is above board but what Connor did is a war crime. You can't have it both ways. Either it's a technical violation or OSU is basically guilty of the same major scandal

FB Dive

November 8th, 2023 at 10:23 AM ^

Agree on the logical absurdity of the Buckeye narrative, but I'm not ready to concede that their scheme didn't technically break rules.

11.6 is a vague and terribly written rule, as we all know from the time we spent parsing the language and the legislative history last week. Both schemes involve the advance, in-person collection of signals by unaffiliated third parties. It takes a strained reading of the rule to think that one but both violates the rule.

BlueTimesTwo

November 8th, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^

In that analogy, it is more like another teacher looked at the questions and then gave a different class the answers.  In their case, it was other coaches who were involved in the sign stealing.  So they in-person scouted, stole the signs, interpreted them and then handed them over.  And they have the gall to cite a sportsmanship  clause?

Collusion.

GLORY

November 8th, 2023 at 9:08 AM ^

Definitely shifting.  For instance, Thamel went missing/hiding, and just now resurfaced this morning with a soft ass tweet.  I think Shuster's relentless Twittter bombs on Thamel single-handedly forced him to take a break and reflect.  Definitely epic.

EDIT:  This one is my personal favorite from Shuster:

Even though his own colleague @ESPNRittenberg is reporting this, @PeteThamel refuses to say a peep, or even tweet his colleague's report. Clearly. Thamel is curled up in the fetal position with his @OhioStateFB blanket and binkie wailing, "NOO," or meeting with @espn H.R. dept?

Vasav

November 8th, 2023 at 8:42 AM ^

Honestly it's worse - they cried crocodile tears to get a coach fired or a team disqualified and now are saying "but we followed the rules" when they clearly conspired to do the same thing - but more effectively. They didn't just do the same thing - they then lied and cried about it.

DelhiWolverine

November 8th, 2023 at 8:53 AM ^

Yep. This portion of the article totally calls Purdue out on it, too.

In Michigan’s case, the “advanced scouts” were Stalions’ band of iPhone-toting buddies. 

In Purdue’s case, the “advanced scouts” were the professional coaching staffs of two other Big Ten teams that had just played the Wolverines, and thus could battle-test the signs they stole as accurate.

Which would you rather have? Raw cell phone footage that still needs to be broken down, or highly experienced coaches just handing over their work?

Everyone would choose the Purdue option.

Vasav

November 8th, 2023 at 12:49 PM ^

I think that's true and convincing. But for me, if two teams are both stealing signs outside of gameday it kind of doesn't matter. If 4 teams are doing it, it matters even less. If 7 or more of the Big Ten's 14 teams are culpable, any rules around it are just theater and pointless.

What DOES matter is the gaslighting. And since the Big Ten has no rules about sign stealing and only rules on sportsmanship, the gaslighting makes these schools transgressions far worse.