lhglrkwg

November 8th, 2023 at 10:06 AM ^

OSU, MSU, and PSU fans in there are still wanting to believe Michigan has been busted in the greatest scandal in decades. The goalposts are rapidly shifting to "well ok what we did was possibly legal sign stealing and what you did was possibly illegal sign stealing and that's why this is still a moral outrage"

Blau

November 8th, 2023 at 8:49 AM ^

Maybe I’m just too naive or biased but given the recent lack of drip reporting, I can’t help but wonder what the problem would’ve been if everyone just let the NCAA conduct its investigation and took the rightful move of letting things “play out”.

Michigan suspended the staffer and issued a statement soon after saying they were complying with all NCAA requests. There, that’s it. That’s all that needs to be done at the moment.

We live in a society where everyone wants/needs to be the first to break the news and there is zero drawback to being wrong or insinuating someone is guilty. I still hate the NCAA and think it’s sham organization but they at least have established a protocol of how they intend to handle this. Everyone else is shooting at the hip and hoping they hit the bullseye. 

McSomething

November 8th, 2023 at 9:00 AM ^

This wasn't allowed to leave the front page, so to speak, because it was an orchestrated PR hit job. These were people that colluded to beat Michigan, lost worse than the year before, and decided any means necessary was the only way to go. They figured beating Harbaugh on the field was no longer going to be as easy as it used to be, so doing a coordinated blindside attack through the new and inexperienced Big Ten commish to force him out was the best way to do it.. The NCAA hasn't said much because there wasn't much to say. This allowed a different narrative to get media firestormed into the public consciousness. 

Ernis

November 8th, 2023 at 9:04 AM ^

You make a good point, and this should be an ominous warning for those clamoring to dissolve the NCAA--admittedly, I've been in that camp on more than one occasion.

Be careful what you wish for - as we saw in the midst of this media frenzy, the CFP which has existed for years didn't even have a defined policy around scouting and only implemented one after the media hype forced them to pay attention; then the policy they implemented (and I'm not even sure how formally defined it is) was more or less a knee-jerk acquiescence to the sentiment (or is it ressentiment?) du jour. That's a terrible governance model; not that the NCAA is particularly good, but their aloofness helps to insulate their decisions from mob mentality (or maybe I'm just overly optimistic in thinking that the NCAA isn't going to bring the hammer and the B1G/rival coaches are the bigger threat at this point). Just saying.

BallsoHarb

November 8th, 2023 at 9:13 AM ^

The media who published these allegations are also partially to blame. You cannot allow a private investigative firm anonymity from the jump. That firm is requesting something that has been collected and curated at the behest of someone interested in dirt on Michigan to be published. It is biased, and if a third party is not going to do an independent investigation, it has to published with their name on it. Anonymity is granted when there is potential for harm to come to the source (usually from an employer or if they are embedded themselves in an illegal situation), which is not the case here.

Additionally, the BIG informing opponents of this supposed advantage based on the word of an anonymous investigative firm, without doing their own investigation first, is a sign they are in over their heads. You would think they would come to Michigan first to get details about this and question Stalions before making a public show.

ESNY

November 8th, 2023 at 9:36 AM ^

Eh - the media does what the media does. They want drama and report as such

The bigger issue is giving an ear to beat down coaches and ADs trying to knock off the top program. They are acting like this is Watergate or Money Heist when its literally sending people to watch a nationally broadcast game in person.

No one was breaking into servers, micing up the practice facility or coaches room, stealing play sheet, or putting liquid heat in their jock straps.

Its a technical violation or an archaic rule at worst, not some major blow to the integrity of the game. Even more ridiculous is that as I understand it the rule wasn't put in there for the integrity of the games, rather some schools were cheaping out and didn't want to have to spend money to send scouts to watch games in person, so the made a rule as a cost saving measure

BlueTimesTwo

November 8th, 2023 at 1:53 PM ^

It seems that the real issue here is that there has been ongoing collusion between B1G teams with the intention of taking Michigan down.  It seems like the person who hired the PI firm also tipped off the co-conspirators so that they could assemble their videos and have them ready to turn in to the B1G before Michigan was even notified of an issue.  Which is why due process is so important.  It would be like having a trial without allowing the defendant to present their case/defense.  Of course the prosecution's case looks great without anything to counter it, and without any evidentiary rules to govern it.  It is such a one-sided approach that it would make petty dictators envious.

Amazinblu

November 8th, 2023 at 9:39 AM ^

I’m not necessarily a fan of the NCAA.  However, the NCAA has already stated that Harbaugh had no knowledge of what Stalions was up to.

Is Harbaugh responsible for the Michigan football program?  Yes.  Is he responsible for everything that happens within it?  Yes.  

If a student athlete skips class, is it Harbaugh’s responsibility?   
 

What annoys me is.. many of the talking heads (particularly on ESPN) - do not acknowledge that the NCAA has stated that Harbaugh wasn’t aware of Stalions, and there is not a connection between the two.

Oh, and as recently as this morning - on “Get Up”, I didn’t hear any commenter mention the collusion noted yesterday between Rutgers, OSU, and Purdue.

bighouseinmate

November 8th, 2023 at 9:49 AM ^

It was intended to be exactly like inflategate was for Brady and the patriots. Something that everyone does, likely within the defined parameters of the game, but reported as cheating, so all anyone remembers is cheating, even though the colts and nfls claims have been disproven. That episode even included calls for the nfl to award that win to the colts and let them continue on in the playoffs while NE was dq’d.

Ernis

November 8th, 2023 at 8:52 AM ^

Good article, very rational and unbiased take. This line in particular hits the nail on the head:

Who would let the thieves define theft? 

The plantation cartel-loving SEC slappies are going to have a hard time wrapping their heads around the ethical point he's making... *checks US history notes* eh... nevermind.

EDIT: actually, this juxtaposition says more about the bizarro world of college athletics than a thousand-word web log:

leftwing19

November 8th, 2023 at 8:54 AM ^

“Who would let thieves define theft?”
 

There needs to be an avalanche of correspondence to Big Ten HQ with this single line. 

Not that it should change our response to the stupidity - we need to stay in scorched earth mode. Never forget….

mitchewr

November 8th, 2023 at 8:56 AM ^

I'm still not convinced that having non-Michigan people attend games and record the sidelines is a violation of the rules as written, and if I'm Michigan that's not a point I would concede lightly. It's one thing for Connor Stallions to attend a game himself, it's a whole different thing to have 3rd parties do it for you.

BlueTimesTwo

November 8th, 2023 at 1:59 PM ^

Actually, the co-conspirators in the B1G have more of an association, because they are directly aided by anything that harms Michigan.  If they can help a team beat Michigan, then they benefit in their attempt to get into the playoffs, in their recruiting efforts vis-a-vis Michigan, etc.  They are interested parties, more so than some random guy in the stands or the employee of a professional clipping/video editing service.

tubauberalles

November 8th, 2023 at 9:22 AM ^

I think it's smart to make the "video people were not university staff" argument as it sets up the B10 into needing to argue that non-staff scouting/sign acquiring is a rules violation which would lump OSU, Purdue, Rutgers, et al, into the same category as M.  If they don't want to do that, then there really isn't much of a case against M either.

Blinkin

November 8th, 2023 at 9:38 AM ^

Yeah, given what's already happened, I see no downside in fighting them on every particular point, no matter how trivial.  If this was being handled appropriately (i.e. behind closed doors and discreetly in the media), then I'd be in favor of conceding some trivial stuff and getting away with a minor fine and a show-cause for CS.  But since someone decided to go scorched-earth, both in the media and in the disciplinary process, we have to respond in kind. 

Castroviejo

November 8th, 2023 at 10:40 AM ^

You notice how CMU hasn’t been very forthcoming?  My conjecture is that CS was invited by CMU to help them with their game against MSU, as apparently he had a reputation as a sign stealing savant.  Everybody assumes he was there to scout MSU.  My suspicion is he already had MSU signals downloaded, and McElwain invited him there to help. Notice how the pics show a formal sideline pass.

M-Dog

November 8th, 2023 at 10:06 AM ^

They can't have it both ways.

Is it just the letter of the law that matters?  Or is it only the spirit of "sportsmanship" that matters?

If it's the letter of the law, Connor Stalions did not provably attend games in person.  Michigan is not guilty of anything.

If it is the spirit of "sportsmanship", then Big Ten opponents colluding against Michigan by giving professionally curated scouting to Michigan's future opponents is far worse than Connor Stalions hiring rubes that leave at halftime because it's raining.

Which one is it?

The correct answer is to drop this nonsense and false outrage, have Michigan pay its parking ticket, and shut up and take your beating.

St Joe Blues

November 8th, 2023 at 9:00 AM ^

At Michigan, Connor Stalions allegedly ran a smash-and-grab sign-stealing operation. Ohio State, Rutgers and Purdue, meanwhile, were reportedly operating the equivalent of a criminal conspiracy. It was pure white-collar stuff.

 

The money line.

Stuntrooster

November 8th, 2023 at 9:02 AM ^

I’m glad Michigan showed its teeth and fought for itself, and they decided to take others down in the muck with them. 
 

But now is not the time to stop. Sink everyone who was trying to knock this football team out. Whether that’s releasing  dirt, or litigation, go for the kill shot.

M-Dog

November 8th, 2023 at 10:22 AM ^

That is Pettiti's job.  It's time to man up and be an actual leader.

He needs to get all of the Big Ten ADs on a call and say the following: 

"Gentleman, this fucking shit stops NOW.  You are making us all look like fools.  You are all doing this gamesmanship stuff, so there will be no more tattling to me or the media while you are guilty of the same thing.  We are not doing gratuitous take downs of individual member programs on my watch.  If you thought you pulled the wool over my eyes earlier, that does not work anymore.  Sit down and shut up.

If you want to vote me out the next time my contract is up, do what you need to do.  But I am not going to be your puppet for petty grievances my entire term."

 

NYCBlue

November 8th, 2023 at 10:44 AM ^

A real leader with half a brain would do exactly that.  The Big Ten is now a complete joke, thanks to his incompetence.  But I have absolutely zero confidence that Pettiti is capable of manning up.  He already caved in to the mob mentality, and a guy like him will not try to fix things.  He will double-down on his prior actions because he is afraid to admit that he's wrong.  It's human nature and childish to do get defensive.  But that's what he will do.

AWAS

November 8th, 2023 at 9:07 AM ^

Today, the B1G commissioner will announce that he has appointed a small group to investigate the competing claims of sportsmanship violations.  It will be known as the Itty Bitty Pettiti "Did He?" Committee.

SC Wolverine

November 8th, 2023 at 9:13 AM ^

The thing above all others that I can't get over is all the coaches crying to the B1G commissioner about Harbaugh's cheating advantage that is costing them their jobs, when they knew perfectly well it was complete BS.  What a bunch of losers -- Luke Fickell must be disgusted to be a B1G coach!  They hate Harbaugh so much because he is head and shoulders above them (and because he doesn't play their good-ole boy game).  But it is still pathetic.  This whole "scandal" is like an episode of The Office.

A Lot of Milk

November 8th, 2023 at 9:48 AM ^

Brian had the best take on this on the podcast. You play Michigan once a year, some teams don’t play them at all, and there’s potential for one team to play them twice. So is that ONE game responsible for the entire big ten west being the most offensively inept entity in sports? Michigan and Ohio State are the only reason programs like Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, etc. make a single penny from football but they think Michigan is costing them jobs?? Your programs are unwatchable and generate lost monetary value every time they line up against a team that isn’t Michigan or Ohio State. Know your role, shut your mouth, take your beating that you’ve endured every year since the big ten existed

SiKa7x

November 8th, 2023 at 9:16 AM ^

Sam and Ira talking about it yesterday, the little B1G schools forgot their place and Pettiti took the bait. Michigan doesnt need the the B1G, the B1G needs Michigan. Call their bluff, demand the proper treatment as the King of the B1G

M-Dog

November 8th, 2023 at 10:34 AM ^

The underlying issue is all of these Big Ten "little king" rules that allow the commissioner to implement capricious and arbitrary rulings from above.  It creates too much pressure to have to do the bidding of mobs.

This needs to be reformed and ALL Big Ten policies codified, including defined punishments.  Then it doesn't matter if other Big Ten members like you or not.  They can't just gang up on you and get arbitrary take down rulings against you from above.

No Big Ten member(s) should be able to do a take down of another Big Ten member based on mere spite.

lhglrkwg

November 8th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^

We absolutely don't want to leave the Big Ten. But Michigan should be quietly making the point that if this league is going to be run by PI's and mob justice that we have other options. That should get about 10-12 members to stop with the lynch mob

You wanna talk relegation in college football? Michigan leaving and then OSU and PSU following out a few days later is how most of the league gets relegated

MIMark

November 8th, 2023 at 9:18 AM ^

Anyone besides me find it odd this whole thing started so soon after a new conference commissioner starts up? Conspiracy theory: whoever hired the PI to initiate this thing (probably Ohio State) did it as a test of the new commissioner, to see what level of latitude the programs can run over the Big Ten.

Wolverine 73

November 8th, 2023 at 9:25 AM ^

Three schools gang up on a third school to influence the Big Ten title game.  What utter bullshit.  Yeah, that is way worse than Stallions getting carried away and adding some prohibited means of discovering signals to the permitted means of doing so.  If the Big Ten comes down on Michigan, any reasonable judge is going to issue a TRO based on both procedural and substantive grounds.