Dinich: B1G response "coming early this afternoon"

Submitted by Communist Football on November 10th, 2023 at 7:46 AM

Via Twitter.

sources indicate a Big Ten response is coming early this afternoon. Michigan leaves at 1 and flies midafternoon out of Detroit after getting through security checks, per usual routine.

— Heather Dinich (@CFBHeather) November 10, 2023

LostPatrol14

November 10th, 2023 at 8:05 AM ^

The hypocrisy from the coaches just doesn’t surprise me. They literally have our signs and shared it within themselves. But they get all pissy when there’s someone in the stands video recording them using a phone. 

blueheron

November 10th, 2023 at 8:07 AM ^

Here's a suggestion from the esteemed Rece Davis:

“I think if it is within the purview of the Big Ten…the more effective punishment would be to withhold revenue disbursement to a significant level, whatever they deem that to be, and for the members of the coaching staff, Harbaugh or whoever, shut down recruiting."

There's more!

“What they don’t want is to be prohibited from interacting with recruits when they come to campus. I don’t think that’s ever been done before but as I was thinking through this, I was thinking, ‘What’s an appropriate punishment? What is one that would get their attention and not impact the competition on the field?” Davis said.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/rece-davis-names-appropriate-punishment-for-michigan-wolverines-jim-harbaugh-sign-stealing-big-ten

Shifting topics, how would you punish Rece Davis for his role in this nonsense? :)

MH20

November 10th, 2023 at 8:38 AM ^

Never forget that Rece Davis is an Alabama grad. He could only hide his shameless SEC homer roots for so long and now he's turned into a complete clown. If GameDay comes to Ann Arbor in two weeks, he and his crew of shills (minus Desmond) are going to get a rude awakening that Michigan doesn't take shit lying down anymore.

BlueTimesTwo

November 10th, 2023 at 9:43 AM ^

Um, he doesn't want to hurt the players, so just withhold the team's money and stop recruiting?  Since recruiting is the long-term lifeblood of a program, this would essentially force a coaching change or damage the long-term prospects of the program.

How do these guys say such things with a straight face?  If they try to have GameDay on campus, put them in some alley next to a dumpster, and then boycott the show.

MGOFishBio

November 10th, 2023 at 8:09 AM ^

If you commit a felony, you will see a judge immediately, regardless if it's a  holiday weekend....can we please have a 55k fine, that only our AD pays and lets continue our dream season...42-10 go blue beat psu 

The biggest scandal in all of this, ESPN is launching they're sportsbook very soon. While actively broadcasting every game and controls the cfp...just like the super bowl, the networks need to rotate the cfp.. obviously ESPN shouldn't be broadcasting games they are also handicapping...sounds like some wnba bs

BallsoHarb

November 10th, 2023 at 8:10 AM ^

Feels like a fine. Michigan fights it. If they get the injunction, the Commissioner can say he tried. If they don’t get the injunction, it’ll piss Michigan off, but doesn’t damage the relationship beyond repair for the next TV deal in 2030. 
 

Ghost of Fritz…

November 10th, 2023 at 9:24 AM ^

Correct. 

If we assume two things.....that (1) Petitti is angry/still thinks this is 'the biggest scandal ever' (plausible, because it is hard for people to fully change their minds after adopting a hardened position, no matter what later information arrives), AND (2) that Petiti is not so dumb as to fail to see that Michigan's response really does show that Michigan would likely win in court...THEN he will want to issue some sort of sanction today, but so do in a way that blunts the possibility of Michigan filing for a TRO today.  

So...if we assume all of the above...the best tactical move for Petitti right now would be to (1) levy a fine of no more than $10,000, and (2) decline to suspend JH.

Doing it this way denies Michigan the chance to file for a TRO today.  It would also remove one of Michigan's legal arguments from the equation--the idea that, even if the Sportsmanship policy applies here, JH cannot be punished for Stalions' infraction.  A $10,000 fine is an institutional punishment.

St Joe Blues

November 10th, 2023 at 10:21 AM ^

They absolutely have to fight back. Don't give them a single penny. Remember, this is the 2nd unwarranted attack on Jim Harbaugh, with burgergate being the first. This is why you don't negotiate with terrorists. If they get what they want, they'll just try it again. However, punch them in the mouth and they'll crumple like the soft bullies that they are.

Ray

November 10th, 2023 at 10:34 AM ^

I’ve been on the same conflicted journey.  At one end, there is the principle, dammit, and besides if we cave it’ll keep happening.   It’s like feeding the crocodile arms and legs and hoping it goes away.  

But if the fine is more or less symbolic maybe you just pay it and explain you’re doing it to remove the distraction in the interest of the players and coaches with no implication of guilt.  Finish out a great season without this over our heads, and prepare to fight this in a bigger way after the season.  

Ghost of Fritz…

November 10th, 2023 at 8:11 AM ^

Edge of the internet indicates...

1. Pettii/Big Ten again asked/put out feelers for Michigan to accept a fine (no word on whether small or huge).

2. Michigan said no we cannot do that BC, as the response explains, the Big Ten cannot act until after the NCAA process has concluded.

3.  Petitti/Big Ten not happy. 

While some may argue in favor of accepting a monetary fine at this point just put it in the past....I do not see how Michigan could take that route. 

The entire point of the Michigan letter response to Petitti is that the Conference Handbook and Sportsmanship Policy simply do not authorize the Big Ten to act until AFTER the NCAA has concluded its process.

Michigan cannot both argue that Petitti is not authorized to act...and also tacitly indicate that he is authorized to act by agreeing to a fine.

The only path forward for Michigan is to remain steadfast in the (totally correct) concept that the Handbook and Sportsmanship Policy simply do not permit Petitti to act at this time, let Petitti do whatever he will do, and then if he suspends/fines/puts Michigan on double secret probation/whatever....file for a TRO.

One can never predict what the outcome of a TRO application like this one would be.  On the legal merits, Michigan has a very strong position.  On the legal merits, Michigan wins. 

But...one still has to factor in a 20% probability of losing the TRO simply based on judges are human too and who knows whether you get a careful and thorough one or...a blockhead.   

If Petitti were smart he would simply sit on this until Monday, and at that point issue a statement indicating that the Big Ten will wait until the NCAA process has concluded.   

But...we already know from the fact that he allowed himself to be dictated to by 13 other schools, and then acted on the thinnest of evidence and outside of the rules in the Handbook...that he is not smart.   

TCW

November 10th, 2023 at 8:36 AM ^

I see it both ways.  Your point is valid.  However, I think we are willing to admit Stalions appears to have violated a rule.  We just want the punishment to fit the crime following due process and with all relevant information available, some of which is still coming out.  Paying a reasonable fine to make it go away is similar to settling a nuisance lawsuit you consider meritless.  I would start with $25,000, which is the amount the ACC fined the teams in the Wakeyleaks incident, and go from there.

Yeoman

November 10th, 2023 at 10:20 AM ^

The letter makes it clear that we aren't willing to admit that Stalions broke any rules until an investigation has been completed that demonstrates he did. If he actually did what we all know he probably did but they didn't bother to actually compile any evidence of, then there's the question of how the NCAA interprets the in-person-scouting prohibition. It may not apply to third parties; if it does, then it also implies that the colluders also violated the regulation.