I love REECE's Pieces! That didn't come out right, did it?
Damn right that's how you pronounce it. Don't even talk to me if you pronounce it Ree-sees pee-sees
The correct pronunciation is recess peace-ess.
I get the Reese's candy bar... if you read that name, Reese's, that's an "apostrophe s" on the end of that name. That means the candy bar is his. I didn't know that. Next time you're eating a Reese's candy bar and a guy named Reese comes buy and says "let me have that", you better hand it over. "I'm sorry Reese, I didn't think I'd ever run into you. You're a fuckin' bully, man!"
-Mitch Hedberg
AtteBOY! Welcome!
Welcome Reece, way to GoBlue!
Moar Coloradans!
Must be a Greg Mattison Neg.
I'm noticing that most of the guys we're getting are higher ranked on 247 than other sites. I wonder if we're gonna see what also happened with the 2019 class where these players' composite rankings improve as it gets closer to signing day and Rivals/ESPN catch up
Maybe, maybe not RE late cycle improvements. If the kids don't do Rivals camps then they're not getting moved by them.
It's very likely that that happens. Rivals and ESPN don't make as much of an effort as 247 to go out and scout players. Braiden McGregor is invited to the Rivals 5 star challenge, so I fully expect them to update McGregor's ranking closer to what 247 has him ranked. These rankings should be more in line with each other by the end of the summer and even more so come signing day.
ESPN scouts the shit out of SEC targets though...
Wasn't there a post or something that said that only 247's rankings matter? Maybe it was a dream but it seemed like the prospects with 247's rankings ended up performing better.
Rivals will mot survive the summer.
Moving up or down in the rankings is for the talkers.
Making plays on the field is for players that walk the walk .
Moving up or down in rankings is for the talkers.
Making plays on the field is for the players that walk the walk.
I dont get the 247 team rankings. Michigan is Number 13 with 14 commits at a 89.44 average. South Carolina is is Number 9 with 14 commits at a 89.40 average. Both have 6 four stars and 8 three stars.
Their top three recruits are all higher rated than our top three (1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, etc). Maybe their "points" formula accounts for max rating?
That's possible. It's just weird when all other numbers measure exact and our average is higher than their but we are rated lower.
The team ranking is based on total number of points. You get more points for higher ranked recruits so there is a difference between low four stars vs high four stars. Basically South Carolina has higher variance in their commits which is bringing their average down. On the other hand, Michigan's recruits are in a more compact range (thereby giving us a higher average), but that also means we have a lower total number of points because we don't have a big time (5-star type) player.
Wouldn’t that be accounted for in the avg? Same number of commits but the UM avg is higher would be that the UM total is also higher.
Not necessarily. It's the whole accuracy vs precision idea.
If you take Accuracy as reaching a recruit ranking of 1.0, then South Carolina's class would be considered "Accurate but not precise" (Highest Ranking recruits: 0.98, 0.95, 0.93; Lowest Ranking recruit: 0.84, 0.84, 0.83).
On the other hand, Michigan's would be considered more along the lines of "Not accurate but precise" (Highest Ranking recruit: 0.96, 0.93, 0.91; Lowest Ranking recruit: 0.87, 0.86, 0.84).
In this scenario, it is possible to have a higher total number of points, even though the average is skewed down due to outlying data points.
Have to give you credit for including a graphic with your explanation. Well done!
Wouldn’t the totals be 1252.6 and 1251.6 if each team has 14 commits but respective averages of 89.44 and 89.4?
an average is just the total divided by the count
Thats all assuming an unweighted average, if they use some kind of weighting system than that changes it and that would answer the original question
They do use a weighing system.
https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Season/2020-Football/Commits/Preview/
This link helps you add potential recruits and see how it impacts the class ranking. I added AJ Henning to the class as a test, and it decreased the value of all other recruits. I am not sure how they calculate each recruits value.
Well there you go. I was just going off the numbers in the original question, the weighting system would be why there is the difference then
Their highest rated player is .98, which I think helps with the overall rating.
Maybe not updated ? Or maybe some positions are more valuable to team ranking ?
Michigan will vault into 9th with Blake Corum’s imminent announcement...
I think they weight the highest recruits much heavier than mid range and down.
USC (ntUSC) has 5 players in the top 200 (including the number 35 overall) paired with several unranked 3 stars. M has 2 in the top 200 (and McGregor is only 85-ish in the composite) with a bunch of “3.5 star” players.
Much like the draft stats on 5 and 4 stars - they probably bank on a much higher hit-rate on the very top recruits than those toward the middle. == Average star rate is a good indicator to compare classes with big variance in size but isn’t the end-all be-all for rankings.
That is odd... only explanation I can see is that they weight positions differently.
Edit: or as others hypothesized it might be a reverse exponential curve.... where the "hit" rate is higher the 4 star ranking is....
I think it makes sense. Rivals only counts the top 20 commits per team. The top ranked players are better scouted and have more impact. You'd rank teams' rosters in a similar way, giving much more weight to the starters than their backups.
This was the most obvious commit of the weekend given the avalanche of Crystal Balls. But still good to see him go Blue before the close of the weekend. Welcome to Michigan, Reece!
On a related note, Kalel Mullings is now one of the top 4 "trending" recruits on 247's website with 62 percent of his crystal balls in favor of Michigan. Looks like he is likely one of the many commits from this weekend!
Other recruits that have received new Michigan crystal ball predictions: AJ Henning, Makari Paige, Blake Corum, Brenden Rice, and Eamonn Dennis.
There is an article written about Rice and how he wants to delay his decision so he might not be one of the commits but the rest of them seem more than plausible.
We beat out ND and OSU for him. He going to be a big time player
Both OSU and ND were filled up at his position. That doesn't, however, change the quality of this pickup.
Notre Dame must have silent commits then. Because they only have 2 lineman committed. The last 3 years they took 4, 4, and 3. Seems like they wouldn't be full with only 2.
Fast and athletic center.
Congrats young man!
Reece, you have made a fantastic choice! Welcome!