[Bryan Fuller]

It's Who They Are Comment Count

Brian October 31st, 2022 at 1:42 PM

There is a place. You are next to other people from opposing clans. Sometimes they say a thing. Then, you choose. You always choose. No matter what the circumstances are, or how you feel, you still have a choice. Michigan State had that choice at halftime. Patrick helpfully documented it. This is what happens in the Michigan tunnel when the hooting starts and nobody turns around to throw PB&Js:

I know that noise, now. It is the same one from Kirk Herbstreit's video from last year's Ohio State game and the same one from the Penn State game and the same one from this video. The opposing team goes down the tunnel; Michigan is delayed; Michigan is released. And then there is a perfect thing. 125 persons, give or take, all collectively go "YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAH". No intelligible sentiments. Just a vibe. A vibe that is apparently driving opposition football teams insane. 

Because this is no different than what happens every week. The officials delay Michigan every time. To engage, you have to turn around. That's a choice. It's a choice two football teams made over the past year, but not Michigan State. They receive one point.

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I have bad news about ensuing decisions.

It is also a choice to respond to something someone said by getting them on the ground and kicking them in the head or swinging your helmet at them. I wish this doesn't have to be said, but evidently it very much does: nothing Gemon Green or Ja'Den McBurrows could have done with their mouths warrants aggravated assault. Their major sin was not being from the state and thinking that a Michigan State program that was just blasted off the field could be trusted to not beat them with helmets and cleats. They thought this was a normal game against normal people, like it was against Penn State:

They were wrong, and now they know.

Everyone knows. This is who Michigan State is and will continue to be. MSU has posted some vague suspensions, probably because the Big Ten has made it clear that "nothing" will not fly as a punishment. The fired president of the university issued a boilerplate apology that is remarkable only in its source. Even that statement seemingly enraged the already-enraged board. Six hours later the board announced that Stanley's interim successor would be named at noon today. Maybe it'll be John Engler, since it's time to circle the wagons again.

Meanwhile the rest of the MSU media sphere is either downplaying the post-game incidents, blaming the people not swinging the helmets, or straight up approving. Rivals's Jim Comparoni wrote an article blaming Jim Harbaugh—last seen not kicking anyone—that Ace has helpfully deconstructed. Here's a taste from MSU's apologist-in-chief:

Radio host Rico Beard said nothing in the aftermath except to retweet someone saying "now u want to cry." Former MSU TE Chris Baker:

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Poke a random thread on the wretched hive of scum and villany that is the largest MSU message board on the internet and you'll get people who are 95% furious that Mel Tucker issued the same sort of boilerplate apology:

Mel Tucker is satisfied with his 95 million and has no fight left in him. Looked absolutely clownish making sure he shook Jim’s hand at the end of the game even though Jim had no time for him. And now confessing remorse without questioning Michigan’s role. He is broken. …

Stanley can choke on his mask and get fukced. GTFO already. …

If we do have a PR firm they are pathetic. The school needs to find a top notch one asap … Until we do that nothing will change in recruiting or perception of the athletics and school as a whole

I promise you that no one inside that program has an ounce of remorse this morning. The only ones who regret anything are the guys who wrote Mel Tucker a 95 million dollar check because he lucked into a Doak Walker winner buried on the Wake Forest depth chart.

Gemon Green is pressing charges, and he should, because he was assaulted by a program that has absolutely no ethics not imposed upon them by outside forces. It's not four guys who are the problem. There were dozens of Michigan State players and officials in that tunnel, and exactly none of them tried to intervene. I've been saying this for years. This is who they are.

But anyway. Bye.

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Michigan has bigger things to do this year than listen to little brother say the tunnel was too narrow and Jaden McBurrows shouldn't have been skipping.

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Nothing changes about the tunnel. It's been like that for 95 years and will be like that for another 95. If there's weaponized hooting now, so be it. It's not up to Michigan to respond like functional adults when someone does something mildly annoying. This our vibe now. Take the L, and get the fuck out of our tunnel.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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[Barron]

you're the man now, dog-2535ac8789d1b499[1]

#1 Blake Corum. 177 yards on 33 carries and was one ankle tackle away from breaking a couple of long ones. Slipped out of tackle after tackle, beefed up when it was short yardage, would not go down to the first guy.

#2 Kris Jenkins. Major factor in Michigan's two fourth and one stops, and singlehandedly rescued a couple of other plays in situations where it looked like Michigan was beat by alignment. First among many in quest to hold down MSU's ground game.

#3 Jake Moody. Night would have been a lot more nervous if Moody hadn't gone 5/5 on field goals, including a 54-yarder.

Honorable mention: Mazi Smith also had a hand in the first fourth down stop and helped stone the MSU run game. JJ McCarthy's timely scrambles converted a few important first downs. Luke Schoonmaker had a productive day as a blocker and receiver. Rod Moore helped shut down the one thing that worked for MSU and prevented any dignity drive from scoring with an interception. The Offensive Line kept McCarthy clean (no sacks) and paved the way for a 276 yard rushing output.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

35: Blake Corum (#2 CSU, #2 Hawaii, HM UConn, #1 Maryland, #2 Iowa. HM Indiana, T2 PSU, #1 MSU)
20: JJ McCarthy (#1 Hawaii, #2 UConn, HM Maryland, HM Iowa, #3 Indiana, HM PSU, HM MSU)
16: Ronnie Bell (HM CSU, HM Hawaii, #1 UConn, #2 Indiana, HM PSU), Mike Morris (T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, #1 Iowa, T1 Indiana, #3 PSU)
13: Mazi Smith (#1 CSU, T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, HM Iowa, HM MSU), Kris Jenkins (#3 UConn, T3 Hawaii, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana, #2 MSU)
12: The Offensive Line (#3 Iowa, #1 PSU, HM MSU)
7: Gemon Green (HM UConn, T2 Maryland, HM PSU)
5: DJ Turner (T2 Maryland), Junior Colson (#3 CSU, HM UConn, HM PSU), Luke Schoonmaker (T3 Maryland, HM Iowa, HM Indiana, HM MSU)
4: Eyabi Okie (HM CSU, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana),  Donovan Edwards (HM Hawaii, T2 PSU), Jake Moody (HM PSU, #3 MSU).
3: Derrick Moore (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Jaylen Harrell (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Mason Graham (HM Hawaii, HM Iowa, HM Indiana), Rod Moore (HM CSU, HM Indiana, HM MSU)
2: Roman Wilson (HM CSU, HM Hawaii), Max Bredeson (T3 Maryland), Joel Honigford (T3 Maryland), Mike Sainristil (HM Maryland, HM Indiana)
1: Braiden McGregor (HM CSU), Makari Paige (HM Hawaii), Rayshaun Benny (HM Hawaii), Cornelius Johnson (HM Hawaii), , AJ Henning (HM UConn), Caden Kolesar (HM UConn), RJ Moten (HM Maryland),

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

MSU runs six plays in the third quarter for a total of eight yards as Michigan puts the game to bed.

Honorable mention: Moody hits a 54-yarder. Snap hijinks result in a turnover. Corum is eventually the recipient on a very complicated play from the two that scores. MSU OT takes an incredibly stupid penalty on their July drive, terminating it.

image?MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Michigan State decides to go American History X on a couple of Michigan players in the tunnel after the game.

Honorable mention: Nearly back-to-back mossings equal a quick MSU touchdown and their only lead of the game. Cornelius Johnson fumbles on Michigan's first drive. A rad Ronnie Bell catch is overturned and Michigan refuses to go for it on fourth and three, so Brad Robbins doesn't get a second straight game without a punt.

[After THE JUMP: actual football!]

OFFENSE

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[Barron]

A declaration of intent. Michigan ran duo on their first play—duo is more or less inside zone where the doubles on the DTs are extremely long—and bashed Jacob Slade off the LOS en route to seven yards. The thing I was the most wrong about in the lead-up to this game was how Michigan would do against the MSU DTs. There were hiccups from time to time, but the ease with which Michigan gashed the MSU interior DL was eye-opening. I don't think MSU expected that, either, given their gameplan. They kept two deep safeties with a light box virtually the whole game.

What we talk about when we talk about Corum. I barely talk about this dude anymore because there's nothing to say that you don't see on the field. But good grasshopper God:

It is insane that he went from a guy who generally went down at first contact to 100% Mike Hart in one offseason. The leg drive, the churn, the ability to squat Yugoslavia. This is like a wide receiver adding a third arm.

Two deep shells everywhere. It is absolutely wild that team after team is sitting their safeties in Uzbekistan when they go up against Michigan's punishing ground game. Iowa did it, PSU did it, MSU did it. I guess the best thing teams come up with is "hope they stall out in the redzone," which Michigan has done, more or less, in all of those games. Michigan hasn't taken any deep shots in forever because they're just not there.

Redzone issues. I think a big chunk of this is playcalling. First, though:  I have to withdraw some Ronnie Bell slander from the weekend; the play I though he ran past the EMLOS on was not his deal. Keegan got slanted under and Bredeson got cut off; that was Bredeson's guy. Corum didn't make the unnatural cut away from the intended point of attack, and then Michigan's behind the chains.

But after that you've got:

  • Zone read from the eight, with a safety charging and nerfing it.
  • A play with one guy in the endzone on third down.

Next time out they score a touchdown with Corum, Corum, Corum. I think at this point you've got to make that your primary approach. Beef it up and dogpile your way in.

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dingers only [Barron]

A philosophy of QB runs. We touched on this in the PSU UFR. If you're not in a Tebow/Vick/Denard situation QB runs should be plays with big upside, because you're risking the most important player on the team. Redzone carries generally do not carry big upside. Also, if you're inside the ten the safeties are not deep and you do not have a whole lot of time to read them. McCarthy's first carry in the redzone would have worked great if the safety wasn't five yards from the LOS when the mesh happened.

Same thing happened on the arc run on drive #3; the DE was beat to the corner and Schoonmaker kicked a dude out but the safety is right there.

Low redzone QB runs either need to be pure QB runs—no reads—or so baffling to the defense that they are not prepared for it at all. Michigan tried this once by motioning Edwards to a quads bunch and having McCarthy run a draw when the numbers were in favor, but one of the MSU DEs made a play.

Sitting duck. Jacoby Windmon played at UNLV last year. He's 250 pounds. He was a DE for a chunk of this year, and then MSU put him at linebacker two weeks ago. I was momentarily irritated that Michigan didn't run at a five man box on their second drive, but then all became clear:

It's one thing to get dusted by Edwards like that, and entirely another to have a tight end who weighs more than you repeatedly put you in the rear-view mirror:

MSU's other linebacker, Cal Halliday, was lauded by Blackledge as a guy who doesn't wear any gloves or whatnot, and then it was immediately demonstrated that he can't run, either. The days of MSU linebackers being frustratingly good no matter their dubious recruiting backgrounds has come to a resounding end.

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speaking of Halliday [Fuller]

Bail O'Clock. McCarthy's designed runs didn't do a whole lot in this game, largely because they were all in the redzone. Scrambles, though, were suddenly a huge factor. On the fourth and three MSU played it soft, sending a corner blitz while dropping a bunch of guys on the LOS and opening up a lane up the gut. McCarthy was decisive:

There was one run on which McCarthy was gone so fast that we had a discussion on the podcast about whether that was called or not. That, like the underneath stuff at Windmon, seemed like something that had been hammered home as part of the gameplan.

McCarthy takes. Not a great day for him, with a couple of misses that he usually does not make. That's the second game in a row that his previously uncanny accuracy has been less uncanny. Hopefully not a developing trend. I do not agree with Todd Blackledge about the throw to Schoonmaker in the endzone: that ball was exactly where it had to be to prevent a PBU. Your guy and your guy only had a shot, and Schoonmaker had his hands on it.

I do not think this is a catch. Tar and feather me but this violates the "did the ball touch the goddamned ground" principle:

Now, if you want to say something like "if you get two feet down with possession it's a catch," okay, I'm listening. As currently called that's not a catch.

DEFENSE

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[Fuller]

The one thing that worked. Keon Coleman is 6'4" and a former basketball player so he's likely to moss people and he did so a couple of times on MSU's touchdown drive. The first one was just the back shoulder thing that happens. Also you may as well stay for clip #2 here since they're back to back:

Yes, that is OPI on #2, and the long catch and run on Turner was also Coleman pushing off to generate separation—when's the last time DJ Turner was that far away from a WR on a hitch?

However, I mean… I don't expect those to be called. I sort of expect the second one to get called after Green was demonstrative and correct after #1, but neither one of those is the blatant WTF kind of play that generally gets called—let us remember that last year Turner got called for PI on an absolutely boggling OPI incident—and if I'm charting I file that under "rubbin's racin" and give whoever did it a gold star. Michigan DBs have to get a little Brandon Watson in them here. They are not illegal enough, IMO.

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no more soup for you [Barron]

Michigan solved this in the second half. First MSU took a deep shot at Reed and DJ Turner just ran that guy's route for him, and then when they went back to the Coleman well on third and six Rod Moore got over the top:

Michigan responded immediately after the TD drive, actually, but the push-off and a scramble got Coleman another couple of chunk plays.

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Jenkins in the background surveying the results of his chaos [Fuller]

This DT pairing. Neither Mazi Smith nor Kris Jenkins is Mo Hurst. Interior pass rush is not frequent; neither guy is putting up +20. But combined they are a problem. MSU's first We Make Statement fourth down attempt was fourth and a foot, and they gave it to Elijah Collins, who's like 230. How do you prevent a guy who weighs that much from converting? Well, both of your DTs winning helps a hell of a lot.

Jenkins was the key guy on the turnover on downs midway through the second, as well. On third down he stacks and sheds at the POA; on fourth down his slant across the face of his guy blows up all the frontside gaps and leaves the RB swimming in Michigan players. This is also a two play clip:

Maybe that second one is just an RPS +3 as Barrett's going to wipe those gaps anyway and then there are three unblocked guys. Still! Jenkins. Good at football.

A spot so bad it got fixed. One point to the replay official on that play, by the way. Michigan twitter was infinitely resigned to this even when it went to the booth because spots so rarely get overturned. It's extremely easy to cop out and not "decide the game" instead of making the best judgment you have available, and even though it was clearly short it takes a little bravery to actually call it short.

Not quite Woodson. Rod Moore got a pretty picture out of this, at least:

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[Fuller]

I have concerns. The knock on Green for his career is that he has been in position but has been unable to make plays on the ball. He sort of shed that early in the year but what he was managing to do was make catches tough; he still didn't make plays on the ball. Against OSU Michigan is probably not going to have the luxury of rotating a safety over whoever he's matching up against, because OSU has a ground game that is not pathetic. I think they're going to have to let Green go one and one and live with the results.

Also in concerns. Michigan's pass rush was pretty middling for the second straight game against a meh offensive line. Last year Michigan did much of its defensive work by obliterating Stroud, and that's still the way to slow down the OSU offense. Stroud's (relative) weakness remains dealing with pressure, and I'm not sure Michigan's going to get much that's organic.

Pretty good though? Some of this is opponent related—there's a reason these are all Big Ten teams—but dang:

76% of opponent drives do not average four yards a play.

SPECIAL TEAMS

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[Fuller]

Thank you, Sean McDonough. This was cathartic:

I predict a 2% decline in usage of that phrase by Michigan State fans.

Cumong man. Barringer's first punt hit a dude standing five yards out of bounds at the 30. Michigan got it… at the 30. "Official guesses where the punt went out of bounds" remains college football's most arbitrary decision.

Cumong man part 2. End of the first half, MSU is punting with 45 seconds on the clock, Michigan has 3 timeouts, it's fourth and three. This is prime territory to set up a return and see what happens. If you screw up, MSU has the ball near their 40 with time to do something. If you set up the return you're more or less in the same situation. Instead MSU pulls M offsides with a clapping gambit and we get to fret a bit before Mike Morris sacks Thorne.

Moody == kicker Corum. That is all.

MISCELLANOUS

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"but that guy's waving at me" [Barron]

WELL HEY GONNA BE A THICC SECTION TODAY. Thicc like MSU tight ends. Yeah.

SHAKY CELL PHONE CAMS WILL NOT BE RELIED UPON. ABC has the footage:

Throw the book at them.

ON THE TOUCHING OF MEL TUCKER'S HEAD. Don't do this?

Seth reports that this guy has been banned from Michigan Stadium. So, yeah, don't do that.

HEY THAT'S OUR DOOR. Mel Tucker was steamed.

This pretty much has to be about the post-game assaults, as it's not like the outcome of this game was in any doubt in the fourth quarter. This video literally has the helmet-swinging incident in it, so Tucker's protestations that he didn't know what happened are unlikely to be true.

Also: Tucker appears to have some issues keeping his shit together. Virtually every cut to him on the sideline was Tucker enraged at the officials.

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Michigan fans have plenty of experience with enraged coaches yelling at officials, but when it was a problem for Harbaugh he dialed it back. I think there are some penalties in Tucker's future.

DEEPLY IRONIC GIVEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING. MSU's sideline hopping up and down for a PF flag on DJ Turner on this was some kind of ironic:

Particularly enjoy the frantic signaling of targeting on a hit that came nowhere near the opponent's head.

On Plan B. Matt Hinton is an astute observer of the playoff ins and outs and thinks this is the pecking order:

I am personally skeptical that Michigan would get in over a one-loss conference champion if their big wins are Penn State and Illinois, both at home, but Matt's saying there's a chance. I have a dollar that says the committee will take the opportunity to Make A Statement about weak nonconference schedules, and who's to say they're wrong? At that point they're splitting hairs anyway.

Key games next weekend:

  • Clemson vs Notre Dame. Yup, cheer, cheer for old Notre Dame. Clemson's biggest tests after this are middling Louisville and South Carolina outfits. The ACC championship game is all but assured to be against UNC, which is 37th in SP+ and lost by 13 to ND. Go Irish.
  • UGA-Tennessee. I don't think it matters much, but we will be rooting for the winner to win the SECCG, because "beat UGA or Tennessee and lost to Bama in the SECCG" is a bid.
  • TCU vs Texas Tech. Obvious. Texas is up next for TCU, then Baylor, so they'll still have a number of loseable games. Connelly has TCU as the B12 favorite but at only 41%, so they're the most vulnerable team ahead of hypothetical one-loss Michigan. 

The chances that enough teams go down in front of Michigan to get them in at 11-1 are not good. Michigan's best argument is probably "look at the fancystats":

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They can lose a competitive game to OSU and still be pretty clearly one of the best four teams. I don't think they can lose that game and be one of the four most deserving teams.

We have to chill out about roughing the passer penalties. MSU got hit with one in this game when McCarthy was moderately thwacked by a guy trying to get his arm up while being blocked. Spartan's arm did make contact with McCarthy's helmet but not in a way that was intentional or dangerous.

HERE

Best and Worst:

On the day Michigan had 9 meaningful drives and they scored points on 7 of them, fumbled one away, and wound up punting for the first time since a minute and a half into the 4th quarter against Indiana back on October 8th.  The average drive length 8 plays for 46 yards, and even that’s a bit misleading since one of UM’s scoring drives came after MSU’s punter couldn’t quite save the second air-mailed snap of the game and got tackled at the 8 yard line.  Throw that out and we’re talking about these taxing, nomadic drives across the field that clearly sapped whatever spirit MSU had in them.  In that way it was like watching a boa constrictor kill it’s prey; it’s fine letting the meal struggle a bit so it can compress even tighter.  MSU on the day had 2 meaningful drives and they were able to string them along consecutively; one was the aforementioned 75-yard TD drive where Coleman made some nice catches and the other was a 10-play, 68-yard affair after Michigan regained the lead where they again went to Coleman a couple of times and were ultimately stopped on 4th-and-1 in the red zone because they ran a comically slow-developing run play after a timeout that was dead-to-rights the moment it was sent to Thorne’s helmet radio.  But after that stalled drive MSU didn’t create double-digits in yards on a drive until their final one of the game, which ended in a Rod Moore pick.

State of Our Open Threads:

We come now to the normalized values:

Indiana holds fast as our most stressful experience this season, with Maryland not far behind. As I have mentioned before, I very much doubt we will beat the UConn game in terms of relative serenity on the boards, although we do play Rutgers next Saturday and that game could very well be the most serene conference game. We shall see, I suppose.

ELSEWHERE

One point is issued to the Daily:

Maize and Blue Nation:

Michigan possessed the ball for over 40 minutes, ran 59% of their plays from the MSU side of the fifty, and only punted once. It was an overpowering victory for Michigan – which is becoming a trend lately,  one that obviously is frustrating the hell out of opponents, who seemingly have no answers for what is happening on the field, so that frustration spills out in the tunnel.

Players are always going to be passionate and emotional – especially after a loss. But to take out those frustrations the way Michigan State players did after the game has no place at any level of any sport.

Hoover Street Rag:

I should like this game more than I do.  I did deeply enjoy the era of assured certainty of the late Carr era, where Michigan would show up and beat Michigan State. Even as Michigan was lost in the desert during the Dantonio era, there was this certainty of dumb things happening to Michigan.  But this entire week felt like a full Kobayashi Maru.  If Michigan wins in anything other than blowout fashion, it will be an indictment of the season, to say nothing of the reaction if, once again, an unranked Michigan State finds a way to spoil a Michigan season in the name of making their own. 

Nick Baumgardner:

The line of scrimmage

This wasn’t even close, on either side of the ball. If you’re looking for reasons why this game was totally controlled by Michigan from about the 10-minute mark of the second quarter on, it’s the line of scrimmage. Being able to compete up front has been Michigan State’s recipe in this game for years. It was the biggest piece of Mark Dantonio’s success in the series. Right now for Tucker, though, the inability to win here is a serious problem that won’t be fixed in the transfer portal. …

Michigan defensive tackle Mazi Smith ate up a number of attempts to run the ball right at him, including Michigan State’s fourth-and-short attempt in the first quarter. Smith and fellow interior DT Kris Jenkins had 10 tackles combined in this game, which is kind of insane for two guys whose job is primarily to occupy space for linebackers.

Matt Fortuna:

Michigan State is a program that prides itself on punching up — on reaching higher, as former coach Mark Dantonio would call it.

But this? This was literally punching down. And it came after a snoozer of a showing in the biggest game of the year, a loss that will now force the $95 million coach to win three of his final four games just to become bowl eligible — with two of those four on the road against ranked teams.

Michigan State had amassed minus-1 yards in the second half until its final drive. Michigan had scored on seven consecutive possessions after an opening-drive fumble, never punting until the 5:52 mark of the game.

Pat Forde:

Don’t blame the tunnel. That’s a cop-out, an excuse, a sidestepping of what really happened.

Don’t dismiss it as a boys-will-be-boys scrape. What Michigan State players did in that tunnel was an assault, and no one should be surprised or act outraged if charges are filed.

Don’t wave it off as the simple byproduct of a heated rivalry. There are a lot of teams and schools that hate each other without the postgame scene turning as ugly as it did in the Big House on Saturday night.

Comments

gbdub

October 31st, 2022 at 5:16 PM ^

It’s Clemson. Dabo WILL get a pass to the playoff over any other one loss team except the B1G/SEC champion or SEC championship game loser. They play in a crap conference but they get honorary SEC treatment for some reason.

I don’t think this is fair, and I don’t think Clemson is better than Michigan, but bottom line is the CFP committee will rank 1 loss ACC champ Clemson over non B1G champ game participant Michigan. 

1-loss OSU might hop 1-loss Clemson if it’s a close loss to Michigan, but I wouldn’t count on it. 

But it likely doesn’t really matter because Clemson will probably not lose. 

I do think conference championships should matter, so I’m not totally bothered by this in theory, just annoyed because I think last year’s Cincinnati is better then 2022 Clemson. 

Germany_Schulz

October 31st, 2022 at 2:47 PM ^

Great post.  One of the best in years.  Props to Kris Jenkins & Mike Morris / Moody & Corum.  

I'd offer that Mork D'antisportmanonio really "changed the culture" at msu. 

He took "little brother" and made it vile. He wanted injuries, intimidation & humiliation (bullying) of the Michigan football program.  He conspired with osu from his buckeye background.  

He wanted to bring the osu fan culture of HATE to msu -- not realizing that many state of Michigan people have families and friends at BOTH schools.  We have to live together and work together. 

Mork did not care.  He wanted to stir up and bring the HATE. 

He LOVED (along with the alumni and fan-base) the winning and MOCKING of Michigan football. 

Twist (break) Denard's neck. 

Punch Taylor Lewan. 

Talking about "driving a spike in us" 

Mel Tucker talked about "making PB&J's prior to the game" 

This mockery-intimidation was an art-form for Mork.  

These were things that did not happen prior to Little Brother.  Tuck Goin' just carried it forward. 

Now, Michigan is NOT intimidated anymore, and the Michigan vs Everybody mentality is allowing Michigan to "stand up for itself" which has not happened thru the RR/Hoke era.  

Others can not handle our resurgence.  

This was another GREAT VICTORY for MICHIGAN.  Win #450 at Michigan Stadium. 
Paul is home.   

Go Blue. 

blanx

October 31st, 2022 at 2:54 PM ^

That was the weirdest ass-kicking I've ever seen.  It was like beating an Iowa team that'd had gone bad, like sour milk.  The outcome was never in doubt, but it was as close as the score probably could have been. 

It was as if we got bored playing with our food.  And frankly, I'm fine with that.

Now, on to a more honorable foe who will undoubtedly comport themselves with honor and dignity

- the Scarlet Knights of Piscataway, New Jersey.

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 31st, 2022 at 2:57 PM ^

Honestly, when the conference re-aligns for 2024, I think it's time to just shrug off MSU and no longer play them every year.  Maybe it's just because my formative years of watching UM consistantly, but the level of venom coming from MSU has just escalated since Dantonio.  It's what MSU wants, but its not the respectful hate that OSU/UM or UM/ND has.  It's just trash hate.  It feels like a toxic relationship that UM doesn't get any benefit out of.  Just benefits MSU.  I don't think UM needs to concern themselves with protecting that.  This is the just the last straw.  Have them rotate onto UMs schedule like any other B1G team.  OSU gets the only protected rivalry game.  Unless Minny wants to do that.  Love the Brown Jug.

dragonchild

October 31st, 2022 at 4:02 PM ^

OSU's hate is not respectful.  They have some pretty bad entitlement and institutional corruption.  But.  BUT.  In the end, OSU's corruption is ultimately about football.  So everything they do is in that oddly civilized context:  they shamelessly desecrate the sport, but sport it remains.  They'll happily embrace crooked refs and midseason rules changes and NCAA shenanigans so they have no respect for the game, but. . . it's still a game.  Oh, someone might get too hot in the head and rip off someone's helmet, but they're pulled away and everyone safely moves on.  They don't viciously attack Michigan players or play to injure, because to them it's just football.  There's a weirdly shameless obsession with success by any means, but there's restraint in the stakes: it's about bragging rights to them, not blood.

Michigan State crossed a line.  They'd been flirting with incivility for years, but now it's no longer about football, or a rivalry, or Little Brother, or respect.  Enough with the respect already!  That stopped being fun, and it's not about respect anyway.  Lack of respect isn't what makes someone violent.  As Brian said, what makes that is a fucking choice.

So I'm on the bandwagon that we should just stop playing them, period.  Football should never come with the risk that our players will become crime victims.  That's not a rivalry or even a sport anymore.  When you go outside that restraint that it's just a game, then it's time to stop playing.

93Grad

October 31st, 2022 at 8:13 PM ^

Yep. I’m fully on board with this. Sparty has forfeited any right to call this a “rivalry”.  This is now a parasitic relationship where they  get way more out of it than we do, and all they do is harm the other side.  Let’s move on and relegate Sparty to the same status as a Rutger or a Maryland.  Our protected games every year should be OSU, Minny and USC. 

Tex_Ind_Blue

October 31st, 2022 at 3:06 PM ^

For me, that botched snap and subsequent tackle were not cathartic! Until M does that AND picks up the ball and scores in the same play against MSU, it won't be cathartic. 

On another note, how does a 2-Loss SEC Champion (LSU) get into CoFoPo? Curious. 

reshp1

October 31st, 2022 at 3:22 PM ^

My wife lectured me about toning it down after I said MSU was a garbage program in front of our son before the game. The look on her face Sunday morning after she saw the videos was priceless. This is who they are is exactly right. 

dragonchild

October 31st, 2022 at 4:52 PM ^

I don't know how old your son is, and I'm not sure showing up your wife is a good thing in light of what happened, but at age old enough to understand right vs. wrong, the kid does need to understand what garbage is.

Granted you don't want to mouth off about just anyone, or the point gets missed.  But, it's neither beneficial nor informative to be kind to Michigan State.  They are garbage, and kids need to know that how they behave is not right.

jbrandimore

October 31st, 2022 at 3:27 PM ^

This has been said before, but bears repeating today.

If the B1G is going to be reorganized and divisions done away with, Michigan should insist the MSU game not be protected.

There is literally no reason to play them ever again.

WayOfTheRoad

October 31st, 2022 at 3:32 PM ^

It literally is who they are and I remember a lot of us thinking/hoping that the HC after Dantonio may help dial it back into "normal rivalry" territory. A tough fought game with jawing and some occasional shoving but at the end they mostly shake hands and go home. 

Now it's just expected that one team will come out like psychos AS THEIR CULTURE, as Spartan Dawgggzzz. Now they're assaulting dudes.

No. The post yesterday explained it perfectly. I'm now perfectly ok with removing them from the schedule for a while however you have to. At the very least remove it as a protected matchup in the coming realignment.

It's gross and it never used to be this way. Before Dantonio it was just both teams not liking each other in a tough but normal way, as I wrote above. With Mark and Narduzzi it became violent hatred instilled into them. Just look at the way ex-players talk! Multiple of them openly talking about how they weren't beaten enough, the victim wasn't given a good enough beating.

Fuck that entire program and I'm done pretending like Michigan has to associate with them due to history or being in the same State/Conference. Short of MAJOR reforms on their end, fuck em. Be done. We don't need them to exist. Without Michigan they're just a sorry ass sack of fuckup, loser bums.

 

I said it.

gbdub

October 31st, 2022 at 3:58 PM ^

I was actually pleasantly surprised with how little crap there was on the field. Obviously the tunnel stuff undoes that, but until that point I was thinking this really was a return to a more normal rivalry. 

Then again Mel will probably lean more into the DAWG crap the more his team can’t hack it on the field. 

AC1997

October 31st, 2022 at 3:35 PM ^

Thought on the rivalry....

- The rivalry with OSU is much more hostile off the field than on.  I've been to three games in Columbus and I'll never go back.  I shouldn't fear for my health and safety attending a football game.  On the field they don't like each other, but there is at least some level of professional respect between the teams and how good/talented they are.

- The rivalry with MSU is more hostile on the field than off.  There were plenty of MSU fans in the stands near me and I didn't see a single confrontation other than some mild teasing.  I think it is because we grew up with, went to school with, and work with MSU fans.  We're going to see them the next day - we're going to tailgate with them.  But their program knows they are inferior and have embraced being the thugs.

 

Thought on the refs....

- I hate refs and complain about them all the time.  Overall I thought we got a good whistle for the first time in a long time against them.  I sit in the first couple of rows of the endzone and got a great look at the MSU TD - it was definitely OPI and I was mad.....but I know that's rarely called.  The Roughing penalty was bad and so was the unsportsmanlike late in the game - both helped us out a lot.  

Northern Exposure

October 31st, 2022 at 9:36 PM ^

I agree about the on field/off field point. Columbus is terrible on Michigan games and an embarrassment to the Big 10. That is why I really hate OSU. I am concerned, however, that all of the Twitter trolling is metastasizing the issue with MSU in a way that may make it like OSU. MSU fans have always had a chip on their shoulder, and Dantonio turned it into a whole brick. Both programs should show they have some respect for each other (in the way you point out is the case even with OSU). If we can respect OSU, surely we can respect MSU and they can respect us. If we get there, the MSU fans will demand more from their players and coaches. I hope that if the shoe were on the other foot, we would be talking about throwing a bunch of guys off the team and firing some assistants.Right now, what I hear from them is excuses precisely because their hatred for UM has  reached a point that they cannot see reality.

NotADuck

October 31st, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^

On the Ronnie Bell catch/no catch... definitely not a catch.  Not even close.  His bottom hand comes off the ball when his elbow hits the ground.  It's a little tough to see but it is there in the clip that Brian has here.  The ground helped him make that "catch".  100 percent.

WayOfTheRoad

October 31st, 2022 at 4:26 PM ^

Yes, this. Talking the actual game for a bit, that was 100% not a catch. Bottom hand (right, iirc) entirely comes off the ball so it's quite literally held down on to the field by his top hand (left, iirc). 

Almost but somehow that bottom hand just slid it from under the ball.

Overall, I agree with the sentiment by a poster above that the whistles were fine. UM got some beneficial ones, MSU got the no-call on the TD that was a clear OPI. Both helped a bit but nothing crazy like endless holding not being called, targeting on Bolden - level of stuff or the like.

UM dominated but was awful in the RZ. If merely average they win by 35+.

J. Redux

October 31st, 2022 at 7:45 PM ^

On the stadium replay, I thought it should have been call stands.  With the slow-motion replay, I agree; 100% not a catch (but great play anyway, Ronnie).

There was plenty of uncalled holding, but only one or two that were particularly egregious.  The one holding call in the game was against Michigan, but it was 100% correct.

Judging by UM/MSU ref standards -- this was fine.

wolvemarine

October 31st, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^

I would like an answer as to why that State Police officer literally has his hand on the back of one of the attackers and does...exactly nothing.

Michigan played a great game. I am married to a Spartan.  This goes well beyond a rivalry.  This goes well beyond a heated shoving match on the field at the end of a game.  There needs to be a complete investigation, and probably some arrests.

The culture that would allow this resides fully with Tucker, the MSU AD, and the MSU board. That being said...I don't expect much from them.

PasadenaFan

October 31st, 2022 at 3:50 PM ^

None of this is surprising.  We all know that teams take on the traits of their Coach.  And Tuck is a MONSTER.  He is a Piece of Shit coach.  Tuck Sucks and Fuck Tuck.   MICH kicked their ass and that's that.  MSU better review their contract with Tuck and try to get out of the $95M deal!  What a joker.

Truisms:  Michigan can take care of itself and its own and always does.  And no one will do Michigan's dirty business but itself.  

 

Let's kick OSU's ASS!

bronxblue

October 31st, 2022 at 4:52 PM ^

Yeah, that's the thing that so surprised me about the incident - there was some jawing at times but it felt, if anything, like everyone was on pretty good terms.  You didn't see a ton of late hits or cheap stuff, and even the unsportsmanlike penalties felt pretty pedestrian.  This wasn't some powder keg ready to go off.

Yostal

October 31st, 2022 at 4:19 PM ^

I want to thank Brian for getting into a meaningful, thoughtful assemblage of the notions that I couldn't articulate (and thus left out of my column.)

Due to the vagaries of Michigan Stadium internet, being stuck in the parking garage for 55 minutes and another 35 minutes of driving home, I did not find out about the Spartan tunnel melee until around 1:00 AM, and I could not believe what I was seeing.  

But I also know, with the internet, it's always dangerous to comment without a full picture of what happened or what's going on, even in something as small potatoes as college football, and even yesterday, when putting things together, I was still worried there might be something that needed to be walked back.

Nope.

Every single new piece of information we get about this shows us that it was what we thought it was.  And mostly, it turned into the thing people were talking about today rather than the hydraulic press that Michigan is working like this season and how it just slowly but surely crushed Michigan State.  Because on the field, that is exactly what happened.

CLord

October 31st, 2022 at 4:26 PM ^

I'll guess this is the first time "Go Irish" has ever been written on a column here.  I'm cool with it given the context this year.  But the one thing that is almost as reliable as the Lions losing, is that Michigan rivals absolutely never help our cause.  For this law of nature alone, I'll take Clemson to cover.

Also, I'm behind the idea of a conference realignment that moves MSU out of the division so we don't play them every year.  MSU's fanatical, and now violent fixation with big brother has always been stupid, but now it's just far more down side than it is worth.  It would help both programs out to take a hiatus from the series for a few years.

OldSchoolWolverine

October 31st, 2022 at 4:54 PM ^

Nico Collins is on my fantasy team and hasn't scored a TD yet. Ill never understand why Houston, nor us, didn't use him like MSU used Coleman this game.  The one advantage being 6-4, and it isn't exploited, at Michigan, and now in the pros.  

Blau

October 31st, 2022 at 4:58 PM ^

Anyone getting concerned with WR C. Johnson and the lack of downfield threat or opportunities. Yeah I know, why throw it with Corum/Edwards but JJ I don't think there's much of a connection with Johnson (who had the worst overall game of his career imo) or our larger jump ball WRs. Dare I say Schoonmaker has been the best receiving threat on the way to 8-0?

ST3

October 31st, 2022 at 5:28 PM ^

Everything Comparoni said about Harbaugh is literally true about Dantonio. It’s a little early for me to judge Tucker, but his 3 hour long angry scowl on the sideline is not a good look. 

brad

October 31st, 2022 at 5:48 PM ^

Big and good, vintage work here.

But I have a question.  During the off season, there was a lot of talk related to how the QB run game would open up M's offense in the red zone and lead to more TD's because it's so effective at freezing the DB's and LB's when a fraction of a second means a touchdown.  Here you're saying the red zone is not a good place to use the QB in the run game.  I could be missing a pile of nuance, but did your opinion change?