When in the last 3 years did you know things had changed with the program?

Submitted by Monday Morning… on January 11th, 2024 at 8:46 PM

I think we'd all agree this is the best three-year run of Michigan football in any of our lifetimes (for context, I'm 40 and started watching in 1991). Moreover, I think we'd all agree that none of us saw this coming back in August 2021. To me, that makes this run even more special.

So, as we all continue to enjoy this amazing ride, I keep thinking back to something from 2021. There was a specific point at which it felt obvious to me that something had changed with the program. Going into the Wisconsin game, we had been playing pretty well and they hadn't, but the belief was that they were better than they'd looked. As I recall, we were a 2-point dog. Not only had we failed to win as a road underdog under Harbaugh, I'm pretty sure you'd have to go back to 2006 (at ND) for the last time we'd won such a game.

So, as the second half of that game unfolded and we imposed our will en route to a 38-17 (IIRC) blowout, I remember saying to my girlfriend, "this is going to be different this year." During that half, I started to believe that would be the team that would finally beat OSU. And of course, that was a precursor to where we've ended up now. There are other sentimental reasons why I think back to that game but for now, suffice to say it made me a believer in Michigan football and Harbaugh again.

So, was there a specific moment like that for you in 2021 (or later if you for whatever reason weren't convinced after that season)?

(Also - if this length of post would be better as a diary entry please LMK. Longtime poster here but have never started a thread till now.)

mjc

January 11th, 2024 at 9:00 PM ^

2021 Michigan at Wisconsin. I remember I kept screaming at my kids from kickoff “we’re going to win this game!” Dominating win. 
 

The following week at Nebraska. Night game with lots of adversity. Typical Michigan game that we always lose and they found a way to win. 
 

From that point on things started to feel different. 

Jay-Z

January 11th, 2024 at 9:02 PM ^

Nebraska 2021. That was a game previous teams seemed to find a way to lose and we pulled it out. Also, the way Haskins ran the ball in that game I could tell it was going to be a different team. 

AlbanyBlue

January 11th, 2024 at 9:02 PM ^

For me, it's the 2021 Wisconsin game at Camp Randall. A game that so many Michigan teams of the past two decades lose, we dominated them, and we had fun doing it. We "jumped around" with them. 

Attitude change. Culture change. Leadership evolution. Similar philosophy, but evident scheme evolution. And a leveling-up of abilities.

It was all evident in this game. The game where BPONE started to lessen its grip on my soul and where I started to believe.

SeaWolv

January 11th, 2024 at 10:29 PM ^

This is exactly what I was going to say. After the previous two drubbings at he hands of OSU and then 2020 and we saw coach make changes and pluck the Ravens DC I knew things wouldn't be the same. I didn't know things would get this good but I had a feeling they could.

treetown

January 11th, 2024 at 9:03 PM ^

After Harbaugh was hired, he immediately made changes. Even before the past 3 years, he was heading in the right direction.

He had his system and ideas but wasn't inflexible. Upon arrival he didn't like the QB situation so he went out and got Jake Rudock (I will awlays believe if we had one more year with him, the program would have advanced more quickly). He continued to seek out better QBs, Shea Patterson, John O'Korn, Joe Milton, Cade McNamara, and ultimately JJ McCarthy. Not everyone worked out ideally but always there was a movement forward and not inertia (See Iowa QB situation. Hard for today's fans to believe this but once Iowa had Chuck Long a legitimate Heisman trophy candidate QB)

When things didn't work, he adjusted. Many college coaches excel at one idea, one system or one approach. They cling to it because it had brought them early success and can't move away from it. (See Rich Rod, and his particular obsession with his basketball on grass - Michigan 67 - Illinois 65, Novl. 6, 2010).

While he evolves he does not chase fads, he has consistent core ideas: believes in running the ball and stout defense, but that has evolved from a Pro-I, to a Spread to a PIstol-Spread-One Back QB under center hybrid; his defense went from hyperaggressive TFL orient defense to today's very NFL like one - allowing teams to travel up and down until they get close and then shut them down or force a FG.

I'm glad he had the time to develop his program. When he went out to get Shea Patterson, I knew he was serious about winning it all.

Monday Morning…

January 11th, 2024 at 9:37 PM ^

You raised some good points. I remember feeling like things were trending in the right direction until The Game in 2018. Then I got my hopes again as we started to put it together late in the 2019 season, only to experience the same finish. To your other points, I agree about Rudock, and I'd say the program's adaptation to an NFL-style defense is the single biggest differentiator between the early Harbaugh years and the last three.

blueheron

January 11th, 2024 at 9:44 PM ^

I mostly agree with your post.

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There are plenty of reasons to view the RichRod era unfavorably, but when you use expressions like "basketball on grass" it makes you sound like Marcus Ray and other geniuses.

By the way, that 2010 game was 45-45 at the end of regulation. High-scoring for sure, but not out of the ordinary. (Recall the Anthony Thomas NW game earlier in the century.)

https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/303100130

mgoblue89

January 11th, 2024 at 9:04 PM ^

I was at the Wisconsin game in 2021. When the team joined in during Jump Around, I knew there was a change in their attitude and the culture of our program. Of course, the Osu game that year made me even more a believer, but this is where it began for me. 

Michfan777

January 11th, 2024 at 9:05 PM ^

Nebraska in 2021 was when something seemed a bit different.

  • Michigan was toying with them but couldn't totally put it away. Next thing you know, Michigan is down to them after Nebraska scores 20+ points in the 3rd.
  • Carr, RichRod, and Hoke all lose that game. Hell, even pre-2021 Harbaugh loses that. It was shaping up to be the classic Michigan "steal defeat from the jaws of victory" kind of game.
  • Instead, they didn't fold. They won.

The second half of 2022 OSU was when things truly felt different.

  • Pure domination.

Mitch-igan

January 11th, 2024 at 9:26 PM ^

That game has the most underrated play in the entire Harbaugh era (and possibly in the entirety of Michigan's football history): the Brad Hawkins fumble and recovery. He doesn't do that, they probably lose that game. They could not stop Nebraska to save their lives during that second half. 

Some speculation, but if they lose that game, the season is probably another disappointment where if just a couple things went their way, they could have been in the CFP, a la 2016.

lmgoblue1

January 11th, 2024 at 9:05 PM ^

When I went to the 2021 Michigan-msu game. Yes they beat us, but it really felt like we beat them. It was the weirdest feeling I ever had after a loss. I spent $300 bucks for that ticket and was not unhappy after that game.  I just knew we were better, much better, and that they would take that L and do something with it. It was our last regular season loss. That was the turning point. No doubt. And I saw it and more importantly, FELT it. Paradigm shift. Man oh Man. And here we are. GO BLUE! NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!! Feels so good to say that.......

XM - Mt 1822

January 11th, 2024 at 9:06 PM ^

@ wisconsin in 2021 really got me thinking

beating ohio 11/25/21 was it.  

EDIT:  let me be more precise about 11/25.  when we drove down that first drive and scored, held them to a field goal, and then had another very nice drive i said to myself: 'self, this is different.  we are going to win this.'  and even when they went up on us 10-7, i just knew things had changed.  then cojo caught that bomb on the 2, in the snow, and all the angst went out of me. 

Cornelius Johnson's path to Michigan, outlook for 2022

turtleboy

January 11th, 2024 at 9:09 PM ^

When we fired Don Brown. Honestly, that's when things started to turn the corner to me. The largest problem the program suffered from was stubbornness, and replacing Brown (who we all should still love and admire) with MikeyD showed a light at the end of the tunnel. 

Cmknepfl

January 11th, 2024 at 9:10 PM ^

The OSU answer isn’t wrong but the PSU game started out bad on the road the week after the MSU game seemed to indicate we were capped at 2nd or 3rd best in the division.  Winning that close game on the road was when I started to believe, but yes I was still nervous until the very end of the OSU game.  

PopeLando

January 11th, 2024 at 9:10 PM ^

There’s two answers to this:

First is the obvious one, Ohio State 2021.

Second is still pretty obvious…but…Monday. Winning the National Championship. Proving that it could be done. Everything up until then was a “yes, but.” Yes, but Michigan chokes in bowl games. Yes, but Saban with a month to prepare. Yes, but McCarthy is clearly injured. 

There were a dozen different reasons that it wasn’t possible…and each one of them rang true. We HAVE choked away bowl games. We HAVE lost to the best teams in the county before (Alabama and Georgia have both paved us). Our offense DID take a clear step backwards when McCarthy got injured and Harbaugh/Moore seemed content to just…not score as much. We DID have a history of “good but not good enough.”

The past 3 years probably won’t be remembered for the journey that they were. It’ll be “1997 and 2023.” But 1997 was a culmination of something that started in 1995 and 1996, and 2023 started in 2021 and 2022. 

Vasav

January 11th, 2024 at 9:22 PM ^

it was a process. after WMU in 2021 I knew the team was going to be better than 2020. As the season progressed I was hoping we stayed competitive with OSU. After The Game I was ecstatic and hopeful it was permanent but, especially after UGA and with our recruiting, I thought it was likely a one off that we beat them but thought the program had "turned a corner" in being competitive with them.

After Iowa and especially PSU in '22 I thought we were REAL good AGAIN but figured it was at best 50/50 on whether we beat Ohio. The way The Game started I thought we were being scrappy but figured they'd pull away...when the opposite happened in Ohio Stadium...I guess that's when my expectations upped and it terrified me. The TCU game didn't linger because I believed, especially when Blake said he was returning. All offseason I was thinking "natty or bust."

Now...I know that was a team in the conversation for best ever at Michigan and in the Big Ten and in the top half of the CFP era champs. I know we're a solid program. I know we're going to be VERY good next year...But I'm still not sure that our window stays open, that we win another natty in my lifetime. I sorta expect we will, but I'm not sure it'll be in this run or down the road or what or how.

I'd really like to beat OSU again and then take down UGA. This era has already been validated but that would just be....I dunno. Next level. We're already one of the best programs, but we do that and we're THAT program, you know?

Monday Morning…

January 11th, 2024 at 9:51 PM ^

Yeah, that's interesting what you said about thinking OSU 2021 was likely to be a one off. I remember that I wanted to see at least one more win over them in the following two years, or else I'd feel like we were returning to the consistent losing against them. In 2022, I don't remember ever feeling like it was a better than 50/50 shot we'd win there. Like you, my expectations went up after, especially given that we did it w/o Blake and Mike Morris.

Yeah, it's so hard to say about when we'll next win, which is all the more reason for us to savor this championship. It's part of the reason why I'm driving 3 hours up to Ann Arbor (from Columbus!) on Saturday to go to the celebration at Crisler. I know I can go to another game next year, but I have no idea if I'll be able to go to another championship celebration next year, or the year after, or the rest of the decade, etc.

Yes, a 4th straight win in The Game and beating UGA would be epic!

Blake Forum

January 11th, 2024 at 9:52 PM ^

Deep cut, and not to pick on Seth, but I remember in the 2021 preview he was urging the coaches to try to hit some deep shots in the WMU game to "get that stadium rockin'!" The strong implication was that we might need some crowd help to beat the Broncos of Western Michigan University. Feels like eons have passed since it was possible to form such a thought about Michigan football, but it was only a little over two years ago

tybert

January 11th, 2024 at 10:19 PM ^

Ran into a super nice TCU fan (who went both to our loss and the 65-7 dismantling of TCU the next week) while in Disney World Jan 2023. They put everything into that game while we seemed to be getting ready for UGA. That was clearly a game where a healthy Blake score TDs in the 1st half where we miss out on a score and settle for 3 later. 

goblue2121

January 11th, 2024 at 9:27 PM ^

3 or 4 games into the 2021 season,  you could see that Aidan Hutchinson was possibly the most dominant player in CFB. When Ojabo and Mike Morris started to flash too, you knew teams were in serious trouble. 

meeashagin

January 11th, 2024 at 9:28 PM ^

There's been 2 levels to this...

Better than B1G..this I knew 1st time beating OSU '21, cemented winning in Columbus, '22.

Better than SEC...our play on los vs Bama

They say in the UFC that as soon as you win the belt, (becoming #1), you immediately are 30% better.

Hensons Mobile…

January 11th, 2024 at 9:28 PM ^

As most have said, the answer is OSU 2021. But I will also throw in there Hawaii 2022. I know it was just Hawaii, but I also knew we had a QB that would make a national championship possible.

Didn't expect him to go 10-18 in a national championship game at that point but that's another story.

brad

January 11th, 2024 at 9:34 PM ^

On field interviews after the 2021 Ohio State game, when Hutchinson said he manifested his part of the change.  That type of player-driven leadership, mixed with high end talent, high end coaching, and a very specific and achievable goal (defeating Ohio State), has been the day to day driver of this consistent excellence.

Adamantium

January 11th, 2024 at 9:37 PM ^

The halftime taunting of OSU in the tunnel was it for me. Whatever we had been missing culturally had suddenly flipped and we seemed to have the edge over them mentally.

bacon1431

January 11th, 2024 at 9:40 PM ^

The three and out we forced after halftime in the 2021 OSU game. We’d been up at half in that game before, just couldn’t close the deal. We looked like the team with the edge there. And proved true. Much like Brian, I wasn’t gonna believe a win over OSU til it happened. And that’s the moment when it looked like it would happen. 

jdemille9

January 11th, 2024 at 9:42 PM ^

When we beat OSU in Columbus. Specifically the first long Donovan Edwards TD.

Up until that point I thought 2021 we got lucky and that 2022 was just full of cupcakes that we should usually beat. Then we lost Blake and Mike Morris to injuries and I was sure this team was dead in the water. 

But when they went down into that shit hole that is Columbus and Donovan broke off that first long TD run I realized the culture had really changed, next man up wasn't just a cliche. The program was finally where many of us thought they'd be years earlier under Harbaugh.

jaysvw

January 11th, 2024 at 9:44 PM ^

Easy.  When that OSU player ripped Wilson's helmet off in the 21' game and nearly got ripped to pieces by the O-line.  That's when I knew this program was headed in the right direction.  There was a fight there that had been missing for a long time.