Timing of "Hang 100 on em" and 4th and 1

…How the beard darkens…

Him and Frames Janklin should get a room together....

Nailed it!

It's worse than "look, they're just like everyone else!"  Somehow this has been spun into Michigan being worse than everyone else.  It's incredible.  

I can’t disagree. Have the reputations of any of the high profile bad actors suffered for any extended period of time? UNC, Alabama, OSU and so on?

I’d go a step further to say that the schools that do bend the knee are the ones that suffer longer in the eye of the public.

I think hiring/firing racist, the OC being fired with an ongoing FBI investigation, running the largest illicit sign stealing operation in sports, multiple recruiting/ lying infractions, hiding Mazi’s gun charge etc. have made it safe to say they haven’t been shooting for a moral high ground.  
3 coaches in the program have been fired this year alone, all with issues related to morals, the high ground is safe.  

Boy it would be funny if Day's brother is ever found to have represented himself as a DEA agent when doing his private PI work.  Doesn't sound that crazy, based on the quotes from him.

Wild speculation has been happening against Michigan for 2 weeks. Why can't we do the same?

If you don't like it, carry on and leave us alone. 

I found it to be interesting background to this story which I didn't remember completely.

There is no such thing as a coincidence. Cause and effect yes.

Wait, what?

Ryan Day's brother opens a PI firm named, " 4th and 1 Investigations and Protective Agency LLC" in 2020.

Meanwhile, one of the most infamous 4th and 1 plays occurred in The Game in 2016, and arguably one of the most painful 4th and 1 plays occurred in the 2019 version.  A score there makes it a one TD game with 12 minutes to go.

Fortunately, HH learned from his mistakes and torched them in 2021.

Maybe I just enjoy conspiracies but a very worthwhile post IMO.

This is one of the most poorly reported alleged scandals that I've ever witnessed. There is no local sourcing on it. That means whatever evidence of cheating being alleged is not based on any firsthand account.  

This story is less than 2 weeks old and the reporters who initially brought it to public attention were handed it. A story like this has no legs unless a) you break it through a legitimate news outlet and b) there is a regulating body which is taking action in response to whatever is alleged and there is evidence available to support  

Yahoo Sports never disclosed the sourcing of its initial reporting while the Washington Post issued the biggest tell of the account so far when it reported that the NCAA was approached by a third party outside investigative firm about the so-called cheating. If this story was the work product of WaPo investigative reporters, the newspaper would have named its source to help authenticate its reporting or explained why the sources aren't named.But that didn't occur because the source asked not to be revealed. Why? 

Why would an outside investigative firm want to hide its identity in uncovering potentially one of the biggest sports scandals in recent memory? Because it was protecting a client. Whether the client was an institution, a university or an individual, this non-disclosure arrangement is in place. 

Outside of the jarring headlines about the illegalities in obtaining advanced scouting on future Michigan football opponents by an overzealous football staffer, there is no indication this story goes deeper. There is no reporting of direct linkage to the rest of the coaching staff other than the suggestion of a shared university computer drive. And even more unclear is when this alleged illegal electronic surveillance by Michigan first began. 

So, what does that say about the reporting? It says that the story isn't being driven by a news organization, it's being driven by people who aren't journalists. 

Whether Ryan Day is the lead perpetrator, this originated and is being pursued by multiple Ohio State football mouthpieces who can't accept that Michigan's football program has taken them to the woodshed the last two years and is on track to kick their ass again. 

When I was at Michigan, my roommate was trying to break into broadcast sports. He got a job at a station in East Lansing. One of his first assignments was to interview Magic who was in EL for something. It happened at Breslin in the summer, during the time period when teams could have 2 of 3 things together - coaches, players and basketballs. Players could play games against each other but no coaches were allowed, or players and coaches could meet but they weren't allowed to have any basketballs. Here's Magic sitting at Breslin while the Staee basketball team was running drills under the watchful eye and piercing whistle of Jud Heathcote. This aired locally on their sports segment.

But hey, you know, CHEESEBURGERS!

Is there an NCAA rule against hiring private investigators to dig up dirt on opponents? Has anybody ever thought there was a need for such a rule? I mean there are two types of wrong - against the rules, and just plain wrong. I'm thinking Day's PI scandal is just plain wrong but not against NCAA rules.

I agree.  I just don't see Day taking that kind of a risk.  Related question for those who might know more about this than me.  If a state university did hire a PI firm, would they have to put our an RFP for bids?  Most government agencies are required to bid out vendor services, aren't they?

I'm with you here (although Day's not Charmin, he's onion skinned). It's all so perfectly in keeping with both Day characters that I'm having trouble imagining that it isn't true. It's as inevitable a result of the Washington comment as last year's cover-zero was an inevitable result of "soft" and "third base."

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!