OSU and Rutgers - Per JUB
November 7th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^
The PSU fans that I know really started to hate us after we beat them 9-10 times in a row
November 7th, 2023 at 6:43 PM ^
Yeah that will do it.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:19 PM ^
Everyone hates Michigan. Why do you think they are trying so hard to take Harbaugh down over something so minor that it’s not clearly a rule violation committed by a bottom rung staffer?
November 7th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^
They hate us because they ain’t us
November 7th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^
My guess is Rutgers having two recent coaches (Chris Ash and Schiano) that spent time at OSU. RU fans also probably thought that 2014's win over a garbage Michigan team was a sign of things to come and then Harbaugh came in and beat their ass almost every year since.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^
I think the going for 2 has always been a big one. Although OSU and Rutgers got into it last year at a game.
Rutgers got screwed in a ref job against OSU last year. It just seems like OSU gets away with their disrespect but no one else.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:48 PM ^
78 - 0 in 2016 could be a reason. Harbaugh let Ash know who was the Big Dog.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:57 PM ^
But other than going for two (in the first half) we did nothing to run up the score. They just couldn't tackle.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:47 PM ^
There was some hostility around Jabrill Peppers and Rashan Gary, back to back top national recruits from New Jersey coming to Michigan. Not that they would've gone to Rutgers if they didn't go to Michigan, but Rutgers fans seemed to harbor some resentment from that.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:59 PM ^
Jealousy.
RU is a good school and better than OSU (or said another way, no way a kid from NJ is paying out-of-state for OSU over in-state for RU), but Michigan is a much better school, so kids do that all of the time.
November 7th, 2023 at 6:44 PM ^
I never understood the (Rutgers) hate for Michigan.
I can think of 78 reasons to hate us - and 0 reasons not to hate us.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^
To think Schiano once had this job if he wanted it.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:27 PM ^
kind of ironic, isn't it.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^
Say what you will about Connor Stalions, at least he did his own work. What’s worse, studying way too hard for a final exam, or having someone hand you the answer key?
November 7th, 2023 at 3:27 PM ^
Interesting considering Harbaugh & Schiano have coached against each other in the NFL as well as college for decades. Kinda disappointing actually.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:05 PM ^
What makes what OSU/Rutgers/Purdue did worse is that it was knowingly done by the coaching staffs, rather than by one insane Stalion.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:06 PM ^
What makes what OSU/Rutgers/Purdue did worse is that it was knowingly done by the coaching staffs, rather than by one insane Stalion.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:06 PM ^
What makes what OSU/Rutgers/Purdue did worse is that it was knowingly done by the coaching staffs, rather than by one insane Stalion.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^
Here are the relevant questions:
- Has Purdue paid off last year's debt to OSU by sending the signs back that they recorded on Saturday?
- Have those signs been shared with Penn State and Maryland?
- Did Rutgers send the signs they stole this season to Purdue for last Saturday's game? (if so, that would explain why their coach was so incensed - he had the signs and still got his butt whipped)
November 7th, 2023 at 3:48 PM ^
We have to assume yes to all three. At this point, we have to assume that it is our players and coaches against our opponent's players and all of the B1G coaches. Probably sign-sharing, game planning, and video review all rolled into one. It might explain how Purdue went against so many tendencies on defense (throwing in lots of zone when they had been all man all year), like a bowl team that had weeks to prepare.
Even with all of their collusion, they are just speed bumps on the way to the inevitable. The rent is due for the B1G.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^
If all this is being released, doesn’t it most likely mean that the BIG isn’t budging?They wouldn’t release this info if they had made an agreement and ended this nonsense. So idk what to think of this
November 7th, 2023 at 3:32 PM ^
Correct. The B1G is not budging. This will continue. There will be a suspension given. Then we have to try to get an injunction.
Something I've wondered and not seen is how the timing might work on that. Is the B1G able to manipulate the timing of the suspension so that it's impossible to seek an injunction, like at 10 p.m. Friday night or something?
November 7th, 2023 at 3:51 PM ^
I suppose they could try, if they want to provide extra ammo for our argument that this is all in bad faith and is being arbitrary and capricious. I can't even imagine how big the damages claim will be on our lawsuit.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:53 PM ^
Yes but that would be in bad faith if they did that. If the Big Ten wanted to be above board they'd do it and give M time to talk in court. If not, then they're further pissing off M with what the admin clearly feels is a double standard.
The one thing is, JUB is saying this particular tidbit was only shared with Tony P today...he may actually change his tune
November 7th, 2023 at 3:58 PM ^
he may actually change his tune
I honestly hope so. Not holding my breath.
The bad faith thing, as far as I'm concerned, was left behind by the B1G awhile ago. But it's true that other people would see it as pretty transparent bad faith and maybe would not be willing to keep pretending the emperor is wearing clothes at that point.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:42 PM ^
Plus did we establish whether Federal courts are closed on Friday (Veterans Day)? If so, then that might push us to State court- last I heard our attorneys were debating which forum made the most sense strategically.
November 7th, 2023 at 6:52 PM ^
If the Big Ten where to do that, if I am the ACC I proactively get on the phone to Ono and have a casual little chat: ". . . oh, not much . . . Just seeing how you're doing . . . any thing new with you?"
November 7th, 2023 at 3:58 PM ^
Wolverine91, I also wonder where exactly we are in the process with the BIG Ten now. This is all speculation (which is what 99%+ of us are doing at this point) but I believe that U of M received the BIG10 Notice of Violation on either Friday of last week or Monday of this week. It only gave U of M two business days to respond, which means that U of M must file a response by either today or tomorrow. The response certainly will include that the NCAA apparently said that it had no evidence of Coach Harbaugh's involvement as well as certainly many other good arguments. The ball will then be in the Big Ten's court. It can either lay the hammer on Michigan and ban Harbaugh for a season (certainly resulting in a lawsuit seeking injunction) or it can say that it will do nothing, pending the NCAA investigation, or anything in between. Now would be a good time for U of M to leak a little bit more, showing how ugly this will be if the BIG10 chooses the wrong path. The Big10 should back down, but I have no idea if this new commissioner is wise enough to do so or is getting advice from the right people. The Michigan side needs to have the mindset that it will be fully ready to go to war if the Big10 chooses the wrong path.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:07 PM ^
That’s a good explanation Dan86. Didn’t think of it that way. Hopefully Tony changes his mind
November 7th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^
So UofM will be using wristbands until helmet radios are allowed?
November 7th, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^
BUT BUT BUT PLAYER SAFETY!!!
November 7th, 2023 at 4:17 PM ^
This is a perfected timed post, well done. We better start Haller'n about the player safety aspect with crocodile tears.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^
Fuhgeddaboutit
November 7th, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^
Boom goes the dynamite
November 7th, 2023 at 3:30 PM ^
So basically all competitive advantage arguments go out the window? Because 2022’s glorious 45-23 was a game where they had our signs and we didn’t have theirs because they changed them. That’s how I interpreted this. Am I wrong?
November 7th, 2023 at 3:32 PM ^
Not to mention Stroud had an incredible game that day.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:50 PM ^
This report doesn't specifically say that OSU had our signs for The Game. But if Rutgers sent Purdue our signs, I'd be shocked if they didn't send them to OSU as well.
November 7th, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^
All sportsmanship arguments go out the window too.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:31 PM ^
From what I read earlier today on a story (cannot remember which one), these teams did not break any NCAA laws with sign stealing/decoding, but you cannot provide signs to a future opponent of a team you already played. This goes against the B1G's sportsmanship bylaws. I wish I could find the article I read, but maybe someone who knows a lot more than me can confirm this?
November 7th, 2023 at 6:56 PM ^
but you cannot provide signs to a future opponent of a team you already played.
What rule is that? I never heard of that rule. (Of course I never heard of the no in-person scouting rule until 2 weeks ago either.)
November 7th, 2023 at 3:33 PM ^
Wow... both of our rivals.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:34 PM ^
Rutgers is only our rival in their minds
November 7th, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^
Rutger.... there is only one
November 7th, 2023 at 4:44 PM ^
That's the joke.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:34 PM ^
Could you email attachments in the 90s? If not, I doubt the creators of advanced scouting rules envisioned a scenario where you instantaneously send a spreadsheet with this information, or else they probably would have made a rule against it. If you could send them, I'm really showing my youth.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:19 PM ^
There was this magical thing called “the United States Post Office” that could get the material in a day or two to anywhere in the Midwest.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:38 PM ^
And you know, fax machines
November 7th, 2023 at 3:34 PM ^
At this point we can comfortably conclude that Rutgers (Schiano) is OSU (Day)’s lackey.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:36 PM ^
Schiano is Tattaglia.
Day is Barzini.
Santa is Michael.
Warde is Freddo.