Notre Dame Covid update

A few points for you to consider as I'm assuming I'm one of the parties you're addressing in your response:

1. I'm a 61 year old conservative, Republican who owns both a business and several guns so we're aligned on that issue.

2. I believe in God although I dont go to church as often as I probably should

3. I'm neither pro nor anti abortion.  I do believe women should have the ability to make that choice even though my preference would be adoption rather than abortion

4. And my post had nothing to do with any of the things you mentioned.  NOTHING.  It was referring to idiots, morons and people with less than triple digit IQs who refuse to believe in science or math or anything else that runs counter to their precious belief system that denies Covid for reasons unknown.  If somehow you put yourself into that group of idiots, morons and people with low IQ because you are gun-owning Catholic who is anti-abortion I dont know what to tell you because my post mentioned NONE of those things.

None.

You mention completely cutting your extended family out because they have views different from yourself.  Are you being inclusive?

Ah yes, the "you're not tolerant of my intolerance" bullshit.  No, I guess I'm not being inclusive and I don't feel too bad about it.  I've frankly seen enough of their racism, bigotry, and homophobia over the years, and now I don't need to here about how COVID is fake and a giant conspiracy, or how Bill Gates is trying to track us with vaccines and how my cousin's kids won't be vaccinated.  This is the level of stupid they're on.  I'm not really interested in having my children around them as they drop casual n-bombs other.  They're not missing me and I'm not missing them.

I am anti-abortion.  Why is this bad?  I believe that all life should be protected. In addition to unborn babies, it includes people in nursing homes, criminals on death row, etc.  

Never said it was.  I disagree with your position.  I was merely describing one of their beliefs.  I did not ascribe anything to it.  Good on you for being consistent.  Many are not.  

I am not anti-gay, but I do believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman.  The majority of issues in today's society is a result of the breakdown in family and not having a mother and father present when raising children.  Is this evil?

You are by definition anti-gay as you want to deny them the same rights, liberties, and privileges the state affords to others.  I don't care if the Catholic Church doesn't want to allow gays to get married.  Government doesn't get to discriminate in the privileges it gives to people.  

I am pro 2nd Amendment, not because I think guns are the only thing that can protect me from the bad guys, but because gun laws are only impacting those of us that follow the law.  The bad guys don't care about the laws and good guys don't kill people with guns.

I'm a gun owner (though I just own a single handgun for going to the range).  I have no problem with stricter gun laws or bans on certain types of weapons or ammunition.  

Does this all make me an idiot, moron, or someone without an IQ of 3 digits?

To be determined. 

Does this answer everything? 

The Catholic church only got involved in the marriage business as a way to raise funds. So I hope you'll pardon those of us who don't care what the "religious" view on marriages is.

As a flaming liberal, let me address one thing. Liberals do not tout acceptance "for all". We tout acceptance for who they are, meaning they are born that way (i.e. sexual preferences and race) because that is something they cannot change. We do not tout acceptance for something they are choosing to do, like spreading bat-shit conspiracies.

We do not care if you are anti-abortion. If you get pregnant and do not want to get an abortion, that is fantastic. What we do not like is you telling others that they cannot have abortions. It is their body, and unlike a mask, pregnancy is an unbelievable commitment and should be a personal choice. We just believe that you guys are bunch of hypocrites because you will not do one thing that is guaranteed to reduce abortions - wide spread and easy access to contraception. If you won't do one thing that WILL reduce abortions, you are not anti-abortion, you just don't like women having sexual freedom. That is why we really don't like you,

Again, we don't care if you are anti-gay. What we don't understand is why gay people getting married bothers you. It is their life, why do you have to butt in? They are just human beings who deserve to live a happy life like rest of us. Why do you want to stop them from being happy? That is why we don't like you.

Every other civilized country has much less death from the "bad guys" having guns, because they don't allow guns to roam freely in the society. I have felt far more safe in gun free countries than US. We don't want to ban them, but implementing reasonable regulation that 75% of citizens in this country support is not much to ask.

Tom,

In case you haven't noticed, this board is pretty left-leaning.  Whether someone agrees or not, your post was very rational, yet they are negging you anyway.  There's no place for considerate reasoning here.

The fact is, there are doctors and immunologists who have pointed out the problems with masks and the approach we're taking, but that doesn't stop people here from leveling ad hominem attacks without any consideration whatsoever.  They've bought into the official position and if you have a different view they will attack you forthright.  There's only room for one message and any dissent is not tolerated.  This board is a microcosm for what we observe in society at large right now.

But then, this is a sports board and there isn't much sports now, so people have to get worked up about something I suppose.

Hi,

Answer this, if you are anti abortion, which is your right to have that opinion, shouldn’t that make you someone that promotes wearing a mask.  Shouldn’t you then be appalled by those who refuse to take this simple safety precaution?  That would be very pro life.  If you refuse to wear a mask, then simply don’t complain about being denied the right to shop at places that require it, find a place that either doesn’t require it or have someone shop for you.  This is not a political issue, there are folks in all parties that won’t wear a mask because they are not worried about their risk or the risk to those that associate with them.

Thank you for being a voice of reason. It really is crazy on this forum that if people don’t have the same beliefs as you they instantly feel the need to neg you. It’s a sad state of affairs that we’ve reached a point in society on both sides that has almost zero tolerance for differing thoughts and opinions. I used to wonder how in the world this country could have ever got to a point of a civil war where neighbors killed neighbors. Unfortunately it is becoming increasingly clearer that it is entirely possible that it may happen again some day simply because people are not open to differences in ideology. While this board used to be a welcome relief from the real world, lately it been like flipping the channels between CNN and FOX news. 

Though I strongly disagree with your pro-life stance for many reasons, I can respect it as it seems to be consistent.  If you are against same sex marriage, you ARE anti-gay.  You are denying people a right/privilege/social construct because of who they are sexually attracted to.  Heterosexual divorce rate is hovering at 50%, so in half of all marriages the family as you see it ceases to exist.  Don't really care if you own guns, do care if you are a gun nut wacko that advocates for private citizens to own everything up to and including a fully-armed A-10.

Yes? If this is the first time you were compelled to post, then definitely yes. Have you lurked here? You aren’t asking questions genuinely, because you won’t like the answers or see them as changing you.

Intolerance not being tolerated is not being a hypocrite, nor is it okay just to accept people’s views simply because they have a lower care for others with regard to a pandemic virus.

When 20 colleges and k-12s close down in-person due to outbreaks and the response is to rationalize why the 21st college should still try to open campus—that view is moronic because it’s ignoring the empirical evidence and the basic logic we know about respiratory diseases.

As for cutting off family—that has nothing to do with being inclusive either, for the same damn reasons. Why do I have to hear my uncle use slurs against gays, women, Latinos, or blacks just for the sake of him having his own voice? I don’t. When what he says is exclusionary and highly prejudicial, wtf should I keep him in my circle? If I tell him to stop using prejudicial language and he shouts about his freedom, I am excluding him from my life because he’s a fucking exclusionary asshole.

We are not bound to our family for life just because we share some genetic code. If one of us ignores equality and equity, it isn’t a debate about freedom of choice or personal opinion.

Not every opinion is equal in validity or soundness. 

Let me put it this way: Jesus died on the cross so Uncle Bo could be an asshole who hates Muslims, but also so I could despise Uncle Bo for being an asshole. On the scale of righteousness, who gives a crap?

When?

The Doomsday clock does not share your optimism.

Unfortunately, neither can I.

This is true.  And so then we must also mention Mr Charles Darwin.  His little evolution thingy upset some Catholics, as well...  Maybe moreso than Galileo's exploits did!

Science often falls on the wrong side of religious fervor...

You're the first Republican I've ever seen who reacted positively to that phrase.

Granted, normally when I'm saying it to them for the first time it's when I'm pointing out the abject failure of GOP economic policies since the mid 70's.