Notre Dame Covid update

Submitted by Malarkey on August 18th, 2020 at 12:44 PM

Quick refresher: prior to matriculation, Notre dame tested 11k students to ensure no positive cases would arrive to campus  They found 33 positives of the entire Population tested  

First day of classes was last week August 10

Their plan lasted exactly 1 day before their first case. Yesterday (  7 days from the start of testing), they had 89 new daily cases, with a daily positive rate of around 20%. For perspective, the state of Indiana has 800-900 daily cases per rolling 7 day average  

 

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boliver46

August 18th, 2020 at 2:25 PM ^

Remember how people were rounded up and fucking WELDED into their apartments in China to prevent the spread?

Remember how New Zealand and Australia have been doing the same and holding citizens at gunpoint to enforce lockdowns?

Sounds like a blast.

Avatar checks right the fuck out if you think that is the definition of a "proper lockdown".

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Sambojangles

August 18th, 2020 at 5:54 PM ^

China's human rights abuses during the Wuhan lockdown are well-documented. If you're using the Chinese Communist Party as an example of the right way to respond to the pandemic, you're already losing the point. The CCP has no regard for human rights or life.

This article explains how the Australian military was called in to help enforce lockdown orders. I don't think they were called in for their cool uniforms and funny hats - they were used for muscle and firepower. If they can break car windows and arrest people, I think that likely meets the definition of at gunpoint.

As for New Zealand, I see that many people were arrested for violating the lockdown orders. I'm not sure how arrests are made in New Zealand, but I think it's probably a pretty safe bet that guns are used by the police there. 

So in general, no, it's not insane to say that the governments of China, New Zealand, and Australia have held their citizens at gunpoint in order to enforce their lockdown policies.

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Njia

August 18th, 2020 at 12:53 PM ^

This is not surprising. Pre-symptomatic cases, false-negative test results, and other issues can mean actual Covid-19 cases are missed. Then, there are the members of staff and faculty at the university who are coming and going from campus every day. There are thousands of potential vectors for the virus.

The question is: What is the risk management and mitigation plan? 

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Njia

August 18th, 2020 at 1:31 PM ^

I consider myself a pretty devout Catholic; I attend Mass every weekend (virtually for the past few months) and pray every day. Nevertheless, I am gobsmacked by the audacity of people I know who are convinced that "Jesus will protect them." Just down the road, in Livonia, is a convent that lost 13 nuns to Covid-19. There are several priests in the country who have also died as a result of this disease.

And none of that cognitive dissonance seems to phase the people who think they are somehow immune solely because of prayer. I have started reminding people that if their expectation is that God is going to protect them from the virus in spite of their stupidity, the Bible also makes clear that, "Thou shalt not put the Lord God to the test."

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Harlick

August 18th, 2020 at 3:12 PM ^

People forget that just 30 years ago you wouldn't go to times square, central park or the magnificent mile due to crime.  My first trip to New York was 35 years ago to goto a Broadway play, my in laws who work in Manhattan told me to take all of the cash out of wallet except for a 20 dollar bill. That way if you get mugged you can give him your cash and go away.   On our way to the show we were robbed at gun point two blocks from times square.   At the time there was a lot of crime, drug dealers, and hookers in times square.  

The people who want to defund the police do not remember/know how bad crime was at that time. Crime has continued to improve over the past 40 years.   Should it be tweaked, yes but this but the defund/ blow up movement is political and it is gong to cost people their lives. 

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Shop Smart Sho…

August 18th, 2020 at 3:57 PM ^

If you think a militarized police force is why Times Square and the Magnificent Mile are popular destinations I'm guessing you've never been to a European city. Because amazingly, they have wonderfully safe, vibrant, and clean commercial areas that don't come with racist assholes hassling non-white people because their gun and qualified immunity protect them from any consequences.

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1VaBlue1

August 18th, 2020 at 1:46 PM ^

I understand...  I went to Lutheran schools from 6-12 grade, so I have the background myself.  However, I've given in to the wiles of science and the cold, hard truths of evolution and the facts surrounding it.  Since I lost my mom in February, I've been more open about actually admitting that (to both myself and others).  But I've long held that prayer has done little to ease pain and suffering for anyone.  Religion is a great way to instill the good in people, but it can certainly ruin things just as well...

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kehnonymous

August 18th, 2020 at 2:26 PM ^

I have a somewhat different perspective as someone who didn't grow up with religion.  It does suck that we mock 'thoughts and prayers' as a trite substitute for not doing much of anything because many times it is, but for many people of faith if those three minutes you spend praying are what gets you thru the day, then I ain't gonna begrudge you that.

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Jmer

August 18th, 2020 at 2:46 PM ^

Family Guy actually had a pretty good episode about this. It was probably close to 10 years ago. But the gist of it was Lois and Peter kidnap a small child with cancer to try to take him to the hospital because his parents wont do anything for him but pray over him.

Google says: Season 10, Episode 12  "Livin' on a Prayer"

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ppToilet

August 18th, 2020 at 3:43 PM ^

Just to qualify your comment, and (full disclosure) as some of Felician sisters are my patients, they were not of the opinion that "Jesus will protect them". Most were infected at the end of March and early April and the first died around Easter, just at the beginning of the pandemic. The outcome was similar to those of other homes of the vulnerable. I appreciate the point you are making and don't believe you intended that the sisters did not take precautions but someone casually reading your comment might mistakenly have that belief.

Also, just a quick plug to consider visiting Catholic Charities who have set up a fund specifically for the Felician sisters to aid with burial and other expenses. These women are an absolute inspiration and the tragedy they have suffered is absolutely heartbreaking.

EDIT: Not sure why this replied to the wrong post - sorry, you'll have to scroll up/back to get to the original.

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Njia

August 18th, 2020 at 5:50 PM ^

No, and I didn’t mean that the Felician Sisters (who educated my wife at Ladywood High School) believed that relying on prayer alone would get them through. Rather, the point is that we should *not* go around thinking that we are somehow immune from disease because “God will protect us,” and give ourselves license to do stupid things.

Moreover, while I don’t have “faith” in science, I place it, along with the search for knowledge and enlightenment more broadly, in the highest esteem. We were given these higher order brains (or evolved to have them, either way); we should be using them for something more than a place to wear a hat.

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LloydCarnac

August 18th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^

Up to 14-day incubation. Students arrive from around the country or internationally. New spike in cases is attributed to what exactly? Data without comprehensive analysis is open to wide interpretation. And, no one is surprised by the uptick given the age group.

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BornInA2

August 18th, 2020 at 1:02 PM ^

Who could have known that young adults wouldn't follow physical distancing and mask guidelines on campus?*

*Aside from social scientists, doctors, epidemiologist, psychologists, every parent of such a human, and every human who's ever been that age and isn't now kidding themselves.

I hope that the schools like WMU, that are hiding on-campus test results behind incorrect HIPAA justification, are paying attention to what's going on with the early-open schools. It's going to be a massive shitshow and colleges turn into nation-wide supercluster sources that then close and send home masses of infected young people to places all over the country. It's a perfect way to spread the disease everywhere in the country quickly over the next month.

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