...IF Michigan is in the market for a new DC, who would you like to see?

Submitted by MaizeBlueA2 on December 8th, 2020 at 6:04 AM

Before someone takes the time to click this thread to grown about redundancy...I searched the board. There wasn't anything that consolidated ideas around DC (most of the talk is around a new HC).

So let's say reports are true and Harbaugh accepts less money, but uses that money for a new DC (or co-DCs)...who would you like at Michigan?

1VaBlue1

December 8th, 2020 at 8:35 AM ^

We give Gerg a lot of grief, and deservedly so.  But lets remember that he wasn't allowed to run 'his' defense - Rich Rod told him to run the 3-3-5, which he didn't know how to do.  Now, we all know that Gerg accepted the job knowing that caveat, so we can continue crapping on him...

energyblue1

December 8th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^

VaBlue, yeah Gerg deserved a lot of crap.  But the fact that he had to convince RR to allow him to add 10lbs to each dlineman was telling.  RR after getting his arse handed to him again told Gerg we have to get bigger again...  Ya think.. 

I digress, I don't think any DC could have had a competent BigTen defense with RR as the head coach.

JFW

December 8th, 2020 at 9:06 AM ^

Yes... but I do wonder if the rules have been gerrymandered a bit to favor offense. I remember in the 90's football being very defensively dominated with the zone blitz, etc. But in the NFL at least they completely changed the rules and did things like allow O tackles to line up a yard back so as to blunt the effects of guys like Swilling and Bryce Paup. 

That bums me out personally because I find a sack just as exciting as a deep ball caught. 

jmblue

December 8th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^

The NFL periodically tweaks its rules to allow quarterbacks to not get killed, but that's not really what's happened in college football.  Offenses have simply evolved to take advantage of the rules.  The rules committee may possibly need to tweak the rules to help defenses out.

jmblue

December 8th, 2020 at 11:26 AM ^

When we hired GERG, he was coming off a terrible stint as Syracuse's head coach, including some brutal defensive numbers.  Michigan was ridiculed for hiring him.

On this board we tried to talk ourselves into the hire by arguing that he was the head coach there, and not the DC, so maybe those numbers weren't reflective of his true ability.  We were wrong.

Chipper1221

December 8th, 2020 at 8:24 AM ^

I remember back in 2016 when we played UCF and Scott Frost was all like "Yeah you can attack Don's scheme you just need the athletes to do it."

At the time I did not believe him, for obvious reasons. Now i see what he meant. Franklin got athletes to do it. OSU always had the athletes. Wisconsin has figured it out the past couple of years. Jimbo exposed the fuck out of it in the orange bowl. And if Jimbo exposed the fuck out of it then i don't even have a word for what Mullen did to it a couple years later. 

 

That prick had a point. 

1VaBlue1

December 8th, 2020 at 8:41 AM ^

You need athletes to attack any defense.  The problem with Brown's scheme is that failed to recruit the athletes he needs to run it competently - and we've seen it getting worse each year.  The wheels completely fell off this season, but look at why: there are no lockdown corners, and it requires one; there is no organic pressure from the DL, and it requires that.

Brown's failure to recruit/develop CB's like J Lewis and D Long, along with his failure to recruit/develop DT's like Mo Hurst and Ryan Glasgow, are directly to blame for his defense's downfall this year.

If he had recruited and developed those players, along with generally upgrading the athleticism across the field to match OSU, his defense would be as string today as it was in 2016.  But he didn't, and it isn't.

trustBlue

December 8th, 2020 at 12:13 PM ^

Thanks for being the one of few around here capable of talking some damn sense.

Don Brown's scheme is still a good (great) defense with the right pieces, as we saw during the first few years of DB's tenure, but the much bigger issue is the drop off in recruiting on the defensive side of the football.

DB looked like an absolute genius when handed Hoke/Mattison recruited players (for all his failures as a head coach, Hoke could recruit defensive players like crazy). But we failed to reload on defense since then and with the loss of Mattison and then Partridge - our two best recruiters on defense - it has lead to a huge, huge decline in talent on the defensive side of the ball. 

While we were losing our best defensive recruiters, OSU upgraded their defensive staff by poaching both Mattison and Larry Johnson. Now, combined with Kerry Combs, they have three of the best defensive recruiters in the conference. OSU's defense is not the sexy schematically, but the way college football is going, defense is basically just having the bodies to control/disrupt the line of scrimmage and enough speed to rally to the football. 

Changing DCs won't fix this defense unless/until you fix recruiting. 

growler4

December 8th, 2020 at 12:14 PM ^

Thank you.

Reading this board, you would think that Harbaugh, Brown, and others have forgotten how to coach football. Of course, most of these posts have been written by people who have never played high level competitive football or coached same. In fairness, myself included.

The current struggles are a result of recruiting misses, and that is something that is ultimately the responsibility of the coaching staff.

Don Brown's defense would look a helluva lot better with a dominant defensive line and lockdown corners supplemented with consistent play at the safety positions. Harbaugh's offense or Gattis' offense would look a lot better with a dominant offensive line and consistent high productivity at the QB position.

Mpfnfu Ford

December 8th, 2020 at 6:05 PM ^

It's not just recruiting, although recruiting is a big part of the failure. It's more that Don Brown's defense is designed to short circuit run heavy read option offenses. He'd chew Rich Rod's ass up, it was designed to stop that or Chip Kelly or Urban Meyer's Florida teams. 

You put your corners on islands and bet the other team's athletic QB isn't really good enough arm wise to beat you deep anyway, especially under pressure. You blitz from every odd angle so that whenever he's trying to read a guy there's another guy coming behind that end man or on the front side to make the read pointless and both decisions wrong. It works.

All that goes out the window when you're dealing with a passing QB who is dissecting you with short air raid passes that chew man coverage up and RPO's that gut you for trying to blitz. He has no answer for it, because the answer to RPO is "play zone and try to stop the run with just four DL." And stopping the run consistently with just four guys means you gotta recruit, which he sucks at.

Mich04-08

December 8th, 2020 at 10:00 AM ^

Beat me to it. Not sure how he got as many jobs as DC, especially with his awful defenses as D-Coordinator of Kansas City chiefs when Dick Vermeil was coach and they had Priest Holmes. Will never forget the game they lost to the Colts in the playoffs where neither team punted. When RichRod hired him, I knew it was over for RichRod.

Don

December 8th, 2020 at 10:55 AM ^

"When RichRod hired him, I knew it was over for RichRod."

I still remember where I was when I heard on the local radio here in A2 that RR had hired GERG. Like you, I knew Rodriguez had sealed his fate with that idiotic move.

JonnyHintz

December 8th, 2020 at 7:04 AM ^

Partridge is a Co-DC of one of the worst defenses in the country. Bringing in a DC for the sole reason that he’s young and a good recruiter is a recipe for a bad defense. Give me a really good DC and surround him with young recruiters any day of the week.
 

You want Partridge back, then the best move is to make him a co-DC with someone more proven like Muschamp and let Partridge learn under him. As a sole DC, I think he’s too unproven for a job like this. With Harbaugh essentially coaching for his job and a defensive scheme needing a complete overhaul, that’s not a recipe for success for a guy like Partridge. 
 

If I’m Harbaugh, no way in hell am I handing the keys to my defense over to a guy who has one season as a Co-DC under his belt, and it was spent overseeing one of the worst defenses in the country. Especially with the prevailing thought in my mind being that I’m coaching for my job.

jdemille9

December 8th, 2020 at 8:29 AM ^

I know we're not the Michigan we think we are, but Michigan is still not a place that should be hiring up and comers with little to no experience. It's a huge, well-known and respected brand. There are plenty of defensive minded coaches with experience that we 'should' be able to get. Let the MAC focus on up and comers and then we can grab them after they've proven themselves.

 

I'd like to see them take a run at Will Muschamp. Before I get derided for my suggestion and his not so great run as a head coach, keep in mind not every coach is meant to be a HC, some are best suited for OC/DC roles and I think Muschamp is one of those. He has a ton of experience and has led some very good defenses. He'll get scooped up soon.

JonnyHintz

December 8th, 2020 at 12:37 PM ^

Even if you’re going to go the “young up and comer” route, you certainly don’t do it in Year 7 with the head coach on the hot seat. That alone makes it a no for me. Without even getting into the program status aspect. Point blank, now is not the time to put unproven guys in high ranking positions if we are bringing Harbaugh back.

MaizeBlueA2

December 8th, 2020 at 6:31 AM ^

I'll pass on Durkin, Leonhard isn't leaving unless he a HC.

Partridge makes sense to at least be considered. Lovie is interesting, doesn't get me personally excited, but I haven't heard that one. I believe he runs the 3-4. He's always felt like an NFL guy to me.

Haskin’s Bandaid

December 8th, 2020 at 7:43 AM ^

Loved Lovie in Chicago. Honestly wouldn’t mind if the canned Nagy and went after Lovie again. If Lovie hired Trestman as his OC I’d be a happy man. But that’s a discussion for a different day and probably not on this board lol. 

1VaBlue1

December 8th, 2020 at 9:28 AM ^

Not a single Patriot's DC has done anything of note once they left Foxboro.  That position is widely regarded as Belichick's defense and the DC is just a caretaker.  And Patricia's version of that defense wasn't much to look at, considering the history of Patriot defenses...

ldevon1

December 8th, 2020 at 8:28 AM ^

Durkin will not be in the B1G anytime soon after what happened at Maryland. Why would Leonard leave Wisconsin, and if things don't work at Illinois for Lovie, I would assume he would retire. Hell let's keep the Michigan thing going and hire Larry Foote. Get Ron Bellamy and he can coach safeties and bring Donovan Edwards with him. 

MilkSteak

December 8th, 2020 at 11:24 AM ^

Nor should he. He's a lot worse than I even thought:

Multiple players anonymously complain that the coaching staff would subject teams during meal time to disturbing videos. According to Gus Little, this included videos of serial killers, drills entering eyeballs, and bloody scenes with animals eating animals. Another player says that there were videos of rams and bucks running at each other at full speed. Mr. Durkin maintains that horror movies were sometimes shown at breakfast to motivate and entertain players.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/10/25/18024732/maryland-investigative-report-dj-durkin

Evashevski

December 8th, 2020 at 6:25 AM ^

Jeff Hafley

not sure why only one full season as head coach, in addition to a mediocre  6-4 would be considered a step down for Hafley. As dc for Michigan under Harbaugh he would be closer to his objective of HC than staying at BC