...IF Michigan is in the market for a new DC, who would you like to see?

Submitted by MaizeBlueA2 on December 8th, 2020 at 6:04 AM

Before someone takes the time to click this thread to grown about redundancy...I searched the board. There wasn't anything that consolidated ideas around DC (most of the talk is around a new HC).

So let's say reports are true and Harbaugh accepts less money, but uses that money for a new DC (or co-DCs)...who would you like at Michigan?

Jack Be Nimble

December 8th, 2020 at 8:25 AM ^

Your Co-Oc's are one guy who has never called plays and another guy who has overseen an utter disaster of an offense since he arrived at Michigan, and had never called a play in his life before he arrived.

I continue to be amazed at how 2 years of truly horrific offense has somehow not damaged the reputation of our offensive coordinator. Going by results, even Pep Hamilton was a much better coordinator than Gattis.

Mgoblue0405

December 8th, 2020 at 8:36 AM ^

Dont hate this at all, I would maybe just replace Strong with Muschamp, I think the team needs a fiery guy to rally them up. Similar to what Venables does at Clemson. Love the Hart idea with Gattis, but what if Herman gets fired from Texas, and doesn't get another HC job? Show him the money for OC. Also I think its time to move on from Nua...we have signed 2 DT in the last 4 years...thats half the programs problem. 

1VaBlue1

December 8th, 2020 at 8:54 AM ^

He's not...  If you actually look at what their RB's accomplish (ypc, blitz pickups), Jaybaugh does a better job.  If you also look at who they've recruited, Jaybaugh blows Hart off the field.  Jay has also proven himself as a TE's coach - all of Butt's awards (All American, Mackey) came when Jay was TE coach.  Jay has also proven himself as a special teams coach.

People that complain about Jay scream 'nepotism' - they have nothing else.  That probably got him in the door, but he's more than earned his spot on the staff since then.

All that said, it's probably time for him to earn a reputation outside the family.  And he'll do a good job.

MaizeBlueA2

December 8th, 2020 at 8:59 AM ^

Hart is one of the most well respected young coaches in football circles.

What the hell are people acting like he's not qualified. He's coaches at some of the same places as Tyrone Wheatley. He's not just some rando RB who played here.

It makes no sense for people to say he's not qualified. Is Roy Manning not qualified to coach a position at Michigan just because he went to Michigan?

Why does playing here automatically disqualify you for a job here?

Hart (and Manning) going to Michigan plays only a small part...in that it'd be easier for them to recruit to their alma mater. But that isn't close to THE reason to hire them.

Carpetbagger

December 8th, 2020 at 9:25 AM ^

I don't know why people argue that hard over how well a RB coach coaches. That position is 80% recruiting and 20% coaching and always has been. Other than blitz pickups, which Jay has been fine at teaching the RBs, it's hard to tell with RBs how much is coaching and how much is the guy just having it, or not having it.

I have no idea if Jay is a good recruiter as I don't pay attention to who is responsible for who. I was under the impression he was pretty good though.

kurpit

December 8th, 2020 at 12:16 PM ^

80% recruiting and 20% coaching

Really? If coaching running backs is 80% recruiting then we're doing a remarkably bad job of the 20% coaching because we sign a lot of highly-sought running backs but even the best of them aren't really panning out.

Karan Higdon has been our biggest success at RB and in his best year he was was 29th in the country in rushing yards while posting a worse ypc than every RB listed ahead of him.

Bluesince89

December 8th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^

Ask yourself a god honest question:  if he had no affiliation with us, would he be under consideration?

I literally have not heard his name for any other coaching position, though he's done a fine job of climbing the coaching ranks and I wish him well.  

Also, quite frankly, I am not interested in ESPN or Fox playing his stupid little brother comments on loop for however long he coaches here every MSU game.  Just move on from that era.

MaizeBlueA2

December 8th, 2020 at 9:02 AM ^

I'm trying to be somewhat realistic while also keeping a level of continuity. 

I don't think now is the time to blow everything up on offense, while I do for the defense. 

If you disagree, that's okay. But for me the thought of another OC...just fire Harbaugh and start everything over again.

Whereas the D is a different story (for me at least).

snarling wolverine

December 8th, 2020 at 9:15 AM ^

Sorry, but this is a pretty weak staff.  Strong would be solid but Gattis, Hart, Nua, Jean-Mary . . . what have these guys accomplished to make them home runs?  

It feels like you're focusing more on their skin color than their actual résumés.  If we have a diverse staff, that's cool, but I don't want to be taking fliers on a bunch of guys for the sake of diversity.

The Baughz

December 8th, 2020 at 9:29 AM ^

Well, as much as I want Harbaugh relieved of his duties, I would be fully on board with him coming back if those were the new staff additions.

I cant see Charlie Strong or Muschamp willing to be a co-dc. I would like either of those guys and also the recent fired Derek Mason might not be a bad hire either.

Just because these guys failed at being a HC does not mean they will be a bad DC.

lilpenny1316

December 8th, 2020 at 9:36 AM ^

As much as I respect what Hart did on the field, I would go in a different direction. I would hire Thomas Wilcher as RB coach/Co-OC and he would be my coach in waiting. 

  • Former college RB
  • Coaches one of the most successful HS programs in the country and produces multiple D1 players
  • Has good relationships with HCs at Belleville, MLK and Oak Park

Of all the people on our staff, I don't think anyone would be ready to step in and replace Harbaugh in three/four years. I believe he could do it with a few years of college coaching experience under his belt.
 

bronxblue

December 8th, 2020 at 10:27 AM ^

I mean, I'm all for recruiting guys but both Nua and BJM have underwhelmed as coaches; the LBs in particular have looked utterly lost and at some point that falls on the position coach.  Charlie Strong might be a good fit but his defenses at USF were bad and I'm not sure how he is as a position coach anymore.

As for co-OC Hart, I swear this place simultaneously hates the idea of "Michigan Man" and also loses their damn mind if someone with a connection is even tenuously available.  IU's rush offense this year is 120th in the nation with basically 100 yards/gm; Michigan running most of the year without their 2 top tackles and their center average 30+ yards more per game.  And this IU team is upperclassmen-laden on the offense.  So no, Mike Hart might be a good coordinator but putting him at co-OC is a likely recipe for frustration.

P24

December 8th, 2020 at 7:01 AM ^

Greg Mattison(DC)

One of the best defensive minds in all of football, he’s shifty like Barry Sanders but he can flat coach. 
 

and pipedream is Greg Roman(OC),  if not Sheridan and, or Hart.
 

Might sound crazy but maybe Andrew Luck as a QB coach, he and Harbaugh “seem” to have a special relationship and he can be a great support for Harbaugh’s philosophy.

the Bray

December 8th, 2020 at 7:34 AM ^

Derek Mason

Steve Clinkscale

If they would co-DC (I don't think they would) - that would be awesome. If not, I'd be happy with either one of those two as DC. Assuming they are also given full control of the defensive staff.

butuka21

December 8th, 2020 at 7:42 AM ^

Someone who has a concept/scheme, but who is also willing to make changes to the talent he has on the roster.  Someone who can adjust in game and before game during the week

jdemille9

December 8th, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^

This is all we really (should) care about - flexibility in scheme and creating opponent specific game plans and adjustments. That said, you can only practice so much so you cannot be a truly 'anything goes' defense. But we need someone who can tailor the defense/game plan to his players' talents.

If we had the bevy of athletes like Alabama, Clemson or OSU Don Brown's scheme would be fine - but we don't and his inability/unwillingness to adjust to the talent he has has cost us dearly in big games. 

Don

December 8th, 2020 at 11:04 AM ^

People on this blog are insufferably idiotic sometimes.

Kirby Smart is HC at one of the top programs in the country in the top conference in the country, and he makes over $6 million a year while doing it. On top of that, he's a Georgia alum.

Why in the flying fuck would he leave that to become an assistant at a struggling program that he has no connection to, in a region of the country where he's spent literally zero time, and make a shitload LESS money while doing it?

Maybe your post was snark. If it wasn't, "insufferably idiotic" applies directly to the person you see in the mirror each morning.

Wolverine91

December 8th, 2020 at 8:03 AM ^

Will muschamp. Then bring Woodson to coach secondary, get that bum jay back to special teams or something. Bring Wheatley back to coach rbs. I’m sure someone like DE would rather have Wheatley coaching him than jay fckin Harbaugh. Then get Dudek out of there.