Elston to Chargers
February 6th, 2024 at 5:57 PM ^
Edge of the internet, of course!
February 6th, 2024 at 5:54 PM ^
Silly Sally.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:55 PM ^
This is some serious hyperbolizing.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:07 PM ^
Nah, it’s pretty accurate. Pretty clear that Sherrone is in over his head. Michigan football is headed for some lean years unfortunately.
Warde Manuel has singlehandedly wrecked three programs. Impressive level of incompetence.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:17 PM ^
Apparently we’ve yet to play an actual football game and the Sherrone Moore era is already finished the way people are talking.
Transition was always going to be complicated, it doesn’t mean everything is falling apart.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:28 PM ^
This might be justified if coaches were leaving for other college programs, but these guys are all specifically following Jim to the NFL.
Is working for 38 year Sherrone Moore less attractive than working for Jim Harbuagh in the NFL?
Yes, that's probably true on its face, but that doesn't equate to "doubts" about Sherrone.
That being said, this does expose my #1 question/concern with hiring Sherrone: Can he attract/hire/retain/develop coaching assistants? IMO, that's the #1 job for a college head coach.
Sherrone needs to find and hire a defensive coordinator and fast. I'm sure part of the issue with Elston was "If you aren't going to make me defensive coordinator, can you at least tell me who my boss going to be?
February 6th, 2024 at 6:47 PM ^
You are so full of shit.
February 6th, 2024 at 7:27 PM ^
You are absolutely one of the worst people on this board.
February 6th, 2024 at 8:19 PM ^
lol Sal trolling in from the gutter with yet another garbage take. Just total and utter buffoonery.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:49 PM ^
Warde playing the long game to get Ron English as HC.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:19 PM ^
Or to get him back as DC again....shudders
February 6th, 2024 at 5:59 PM ^
Not necessarily. If someone wants to go to the NFL, no contract is going to keep them here. Could Warde offer him millions and then he might stay? Sure. Is he worth millions? No.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:46 PM ^
We have absolutely no idea how this all went down, what was offered, what was negotiated, etc...We don't know what Elston wanted. If Elston said in no uncertain terms he wanted the NFL, there's not much that Michigan can do. It's beyond money at that point. But if Jim was engaged in a tug of war with Warde over this guy, I think it was a dickish move on his part. I get wanting Minter, that makes sense, but now he's just picking the skeleton clean, as if he has no other options.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:47 PM ^
We actually have a pretty good idea of how this went down. They failed to retain Jim and now everyone is leaving, to continue working with Jim. Warde had one job after the first or second playoff appearance “Jim, what do you need to stay at Michigan? I’ll go make that happen.”
February 6th, 2024 at 7:42 PM ^
“Jim, what do you need to stay at Michigan?“
Here’s the problem… the answer to that question isn’t something Michigan had any control over. If Harbaugh received an NFL offer, he was gone. It doesn’t matter if or when Michigan gave him everything he asked for. Michigan can’t give him the one thing he truly desires at this point… a Super Bowl.
Warde had one job after the first or second playoff appearance
Warde gave him an extension right after the first playoff appearance (and his flirtation with the Vikings). That didn’t stop him from entertaining the NFL the following two years.
February 6th, 2024 at 7:08 PM ^
I'm beginning to think these coaches are wanting to get out of town for some other reason. I just don't get it
February 7th, 2024 at 2:19 PM ^
Elston and Herbert were hired for the sole purpose of ensuring Joey Bosa stops breaking and sucking.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:57 PM ^
I'm a Lloyd apologist. Michigan had 40 years of Bo/Mo/Llo and then we tried to keep Lloyd a year too long and then threw away the program for shiny new Rich Rodriguez and the spread offense. Brady Hoke might have worked out for a few more years if he had taken over from Lloyd.
I loved the Harbaugh hire. I had my doubts after 2020 but was largely a Harbaugh apologist. Loved the last three years. Really loved them. I want it to go on forever. I thought Sherrone Moore was a good Gary Moeller/Lloyd Carr type hire, albeit less experienced, given that the staff was in place. But if you take the whole staff with you it sort of defeats the point.
I wish I was spending the next few months talking about how great Jim Harbaugh is/was, but we're right back in the desert. On paper Sherrone without a staff < Brady Hoke < Rich Rod. I'm hoping Sherrone is magic and succeeds despite being set up to fail.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:44 PM ^
I'm sorry, but if sherrone needs an ace staff gifted to him to succeed (especially when he seemingly could have retained at least a portion), he wasn't the right choice. If he is worse than hoke or RR without a staff, he was the wrong choice. Having coaches leave isn't being set up to fail. Bama replaced OC and DC almost every year.
I don't think Moore is a slam dunk, but I hope he is better than our two worst coaches in 50 years. Maybe he shouldn't have wasted time with that dufus DC from Seattle he knew 10 years ago and locked up Elston and clink.
February 6th, 2024 at 7:36 PM ^
"Threw the program away" by hiring RR?
Or threw the program away by letting shitheads like Eric Mayes undermine it at every turn?
February 6th, 2024 at 9:39 PM ^
We found Rich Rod's account!
RR could have worked out, but we threw away 40 years of the fort. Huge transitions culture changes are either going to go good or go bad.
February 6th, 2024 at 8:54 PM ^
That game Moore called against Penn State was better than any game Hoke could dream of calling, especially since Hoke didn't even know what plays were being called. I think Moore will be fine. Michigan probably won't win too many games this year, but I trust Moore to turn this program back into a legitimate contender after that.
February 6th, 2024 at 8:55 PM ^
31 upvotes for “Fuck Jim,” so far. These are the kinds of fans that didn’t deserve the national championship, but richly deserve what’s coming now. Moore may be a fine coach, but he won’t be what Harbaugh was and when that becomes obvious, fans like these will create a shitstorm he won’t deserve. One month after experiencing the greatest season they will ever have as Michigan football fans, these people are actually angry. That can’t be a healthy way to live life.
February 7th, 2024 at 12:58 AM ^
Please. Harbaugh came here when we were in deplorable shape and he leaves with Michigan as National Champions. Be happy. Thank you, Jim! Now, Sherrone has got to do it and he needs to build his own staff, not just inherit Harbaugh's.
February 7th, 2024 at 8:06 AM ^
You know what sucks at this point is Moore is scrambling to hire coaches 2 months before Spring. He's just filling positions at this point with whoever is left. I think this football team is screwed this year and Moore is going to be the one people laugh and point the finger at. Its not even his fault.
If this team makes the playoffs it would be amazing.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:33 PM ^
All I can say is wow. BPONE is around the corner. Whether it’s the AD, Harbaugh or Michigan, Sherrone is being setup at such a huge disadvantage. Be interesting if the Dline holds up from this.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:43 PM ^
Why? I have faith in Moore being able to put together a new staff.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:50 PM ^
I like Serrone Moore, but this was an area where we were going on blind faith. We have no idea how well Moore can put together a new staff.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:50 PM ^
I like Serrone Moore, but this was an area where we were going on blind faith. We have no idea how well Moore can put together a new staff.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:30 PM ^
You're right, so let's just assume the worst case scenario.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:51 PM ^
With what coaching circle?? The idea was Moore to be promoted for continuity purposes. That’s nearly gone at this point. If powers at be are taking his position coaches, and lack of NIL, you think that’s a success for a first time head coach? Not saying he can’t or won’t, but come on. Being competitive with one hand tied behind his back is ridiculous.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:51 PM ^
I agree, but that's not the biggest concern. Our players now have a higher likelihood of being poached.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:32 PM ^
We’re about to find out if he can retain players, because the offers from other schools is about to get turned up for our D-line
February 6th, 2024 at 7:51 PM ^
UM doesn't lose very many guys to the portal that rocked it , maybe Tennessee and UCLA got something.
BAMA just lost multiple 5 stars within a week of Saban out.
If the players weren't behind Moore, some would have jumped into the portal already, they have what , a month to do so now.
I feel confident that any attrition will be minor, too much being made of impending doom.
I think Moore will be a big draw both in recruiting and retention.
Yes he's got some staff issues now, but let this play out.
This board is sounding like OSU/Clemson hurt.
February 6th, 2024 at 10:44 PM ^
I don’t know if Moore alone is enough to keep those guys around. You’re talking about most of the defensive players losing their position coach and the S&C coach, who spends more time with the team than anyone else. That potentially outweighs support for the head coach.
February 7th, 2024 at 8:08 AM ^
Put together a new staff in February with nobody available?
He will be putting a new staff together in December.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:52 PM ^
The population of Michigan fans is just like any large dataset - there's a median, and a standard deviation.
The mean on Mgoblog is probably not representative of the median Michigan fan either.
Extreme fan = everything is terrible again.
Me: if before the season you told me we'd go 6-6 next year and lose all big games, in exchange for a 15-0 championship in 2023, I woulda said "hell yea, sign me up"
Median mgoblog fan is probably somewhere between me and the extreme?
February 6th, 2024 at 6:20 PM ^
Look, I’m not trying to be the doom and gloom guy. In fact, I am still reveling in the fact that I have 2024 national championships t shirts for each day so I can walk down high street in Columbus and they have to endure that for this year.
That said, it’s very naïve to think the future doesn’t look somewhat concerning in any of the Wolverine faithful eyes. UM counter balanced the whole NIL shenanigans by finding low stars and developing them into studs. Elston was monumental at that. As was Minter and Herbert (hope I’m wrong but Clink might be next). SM has to hire 3 coaches on the defense side alone and has to ace them to continue that ideology. This also while trying to retain key players on that defensive side when they do not know who their position coaches will be and NIL PFP teams are calling them up saying UM is coachless and can offer them big bucks to transfer. It sucks. I feel for Moore because he has his work cut out for him and everyone is telling him to turn off the lights when he’s done.
February 6th, 2024 at 7:18 PM ^
Yes, it would be naive to think next year is gonna be good, or even close to this year. I'm not counting on it being that way.
I'm counting on the team (whoever stays, whoever joins) and the coaches (whoever stays, whoever joins) to try their best and represent Michigan well. Before last year that woulda been stated as "at least the team represented us well", but this coming year (and for me, some years after), I'd state the team trying their best is "plenty good enough for me".
I have not mentally calculated how bad things would have to get this year before I get sad about it.
February 7th, 2024 at 8:17 AM ^
We all enjoyed 2021-2024, but theres nothing wrong with looking ahead to this season.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:41 PM ^
Apparently it’s a problem for at least one dline recruit. Jaylen Williams, DL ranked in the top, who Wiltfong Crystal Balled to UM tweeted something like, going to need to change that crystal ball.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:34 PM ^
So much for continuity.
I feel like it also says something that no one on offense is being taken.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:12 PM ^
I mean, just the same thing everyone’s been saying for a few years now. Our offense isn’t great and hasn’t been. We won on the back of our defense.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:59 PM ^
And yet we hired the OC. Really makes ya think
February 6th, 2024 at 7:00 PM ^
Yet we had a qb who could go in the 1st rd. A wr that just tore up the senior bowl and is getting 1st rd love. 2 time Joe Moore award winning line. Blake Corum, The Don and probably the top te in the 25 draft
February 6th, 2024 at 8:57 PM ^
Our offense is literally one of the most efficient in the nation… we finished top 5 in points per drive this season.
It’s really wild that in the year of our lord 2024, people still cling to raw stats to evaluate how good an offense is…
February 6th, 2024 at 10:48 PM ^
Well Moore the head coach job. Newsome was desired by Harbaugh but chose to stay. Hart has been MIA for a couple weeks supposedly, so idk if “taken” is the right word but 🤷🏻♂️. One was promoted to OC. Which just leaves Bellamy, arguably our least impressive position coach.
So not a lot to choose from on the offensive side really.
February 6th, 2024 at 5:34 PM ^
Disappointing, but not surprising. Sherrone really has his work cut out for him now. Let's hope he's up to the challenge because, on the surface, it doesn't seem like he has a lot of support from the athletic department.
Really hope this doesn't cause us to lose Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham.