Looks like Ohio State is gonna get him. It's a bummer, man.
Have fun losing to Michigan.
Well this sucks. Beilein will find someone else just as good because he always does, but I must say watching this play out year after year is baffling. No idea what this kid could be thinking as these programs are light years apart.
This is why it's hard to get too excited about basketball recruiting. High school basketball players just don't seem to be good decision makers.
Honestly doesn’t seem like that bad of a decision to me. He probably wants to be a 1 and done and OSU looked like an improved team under Holtmann.
He would be looking up at Simpson, Brooks and DeJulius (or at least 2 of these 3) his freshman year. Even assuming he can beat out DeJulius and / or Brooks in 2020 - he would be a minimum 2 and done at Michigan.
This kid will start right away at OSU and get his 1 and done shot.
OSU was a one man team last year. They're gonna take a big step back without KBD.
He's taking a big risk. Because if he's not a one and done then he's going to a program with a significantly worse track record of player development than Michigan.
I don’t personally disagree with you - but try convincing a 17 year old 5 star (who probably has all of his friends, family and coaches telling him he is going to the NBA) that he is not going to be a 1 and Done.
I would also throw in that Holtmann did a good job at Butler with player development. So this is not a totally irrational choice.
I guess I could see it either way.
Comparing Holtman and Beilein's player development track record is like comparing a Ford Focus and a Maserati.
I make that comparison all the time. Guess which one I drive.
Agreed, there's no way he's a one and done. He's like 5'11" on a good day and that's one-n-done material
Maybe one and done for a second round bench warmer pick...if that's his goal then he should be fine
You must not live in a high school sports crazy state. I guarantee this kid is already 18 as a junior in high school.
Southlake Carroll I presume Dave? Odessa Permian says hello and good luck on the upcoming year.
Go MOJO!
Well, that track record was with Matta, and I think you're selling Matta short. And I'm not convinced they will take a huge step back because I do think Holtmann seems promising. If Carton values seeing major minutes in his first year, I don't think he made a bad choice. Just a disappointing one. Looks like they finally picked up a good PG, probably the best since Conley.
Which NBA players of note has OSU produced in the past decade? D'Angelo Russell is literally the only one I can think of. They've had a lot of 5* recruits amount to nothing. Buford went undrafted and last played in France, Sullinger is in China, Deshaun Thomas is in Israel.
Like I said, I've seen this happen too many times before to get all worked up about it. But that doesn't make it any less baffling that a kid who aspires to be a 1st round draft pick would pass up the opportunity to play for Michigan.
Russell, Turner, and Conley have been more productive than any Beilein player in the NBA except TH Jr. Koufos has been on par with the typical Beilein NBAer. Beilein has had more success in terms of sheer numbers of players in the NBA, that I will grant.
Holtmann was not there for Russell anyway. He may be selling the kid on building a new legacy at OSU. Same thing Beilein sold guys like Trey, Stauskas and GR3 on.
Not sure if serious.
What part seems outrageous? The part about OSU looking up or the part about Carton having trouble beating out the 3 PGs already on Michigan’s roster.
Your points are logical but don't see a guy his size being a one and done.
He literally the same size and weight as 2 different 2018 one and dones.
That's exactly right. You have to be a pathologically partisan idiot not to understand this. Beilein does not develop PGs in one or even two years...I would say he pretty much doesn't at all...they have to figure it out on there own. This kid is no dummy.
actually, Beilein will find somebody who isn't as good, and make him better than DJ after it's all said and done.
Light years apart? OSU was 25-9 last year in Holtmann’s first year, and beat Michigan. Michigan has clearly been better in recent years, but I’d say that’s a gross exaggeration. Basketball isnt football, all it takes is the right coach and a few big recruiting hits to turn everything around
Yes, Michigan's performance under Beilein is light years apart from OSU's, including Holtmann's first year. 2 NCAA Tournament Championship game appearances is the best evidence one could point toward. I think that's all that really needs to be said.
I hate to inform you of this, however, due to the FBI the days of getting “ the right coach” and a few “big recruiting hits” is coming to an end for the majority of programs. And no, OSU is not on the same level as Kansas, Kentucky, and Duke so you will not be exempt.
Fuck off.
Don’t be baffled - the reason for Beilein’s struggles to recruit the top 50 is obvious and already recognized by his peers. Is this the sole reason or the deciding factor in this case? Unknown.
UM just has to keep building a track record of great player development so the short-term “sacrifice” by players/AAU coaches/parents is clearly less than the long-term gains.
It's pretty clear. He expects to be a one and done with the amount of PT he will get at OSU. It sucks but it makes sense. He's betting on himself, not the coaches.
He’s thinking he’ll have to play behind Simpson.
Going to OSU. Must want to start when he sets foot on campus. Weird decision.
I like Carton but look forward to X locking him down and landing him in the G League.
they must have shown him that sweet, sweet Erin Craft highlight tape.
Isn't that available as a gif?
probably, but I don't feel like downloading them to my computer.
specifically that air ball
This is too bad. I mostly wanted to see him go to UM because he is a local kid and the highest rated player to come out of the QC (ever?). Michigan will be fine but OSU? I don't get it.
Bad news and bad thread title.
No coffee for JB!
But seriously, JB was never a good closer. I was hoping the latest success would change that.
I feel really good about the guard position, DJ Carton or not.
Carton had given OSU a spot in the top 3 even without a visit IIRC... so it seems like he always had a soft spot for OSU for whatever reason...
was there a previous connection between him and OSU's staff?
Disappointing, but not at all worried with Beilein at the helm...
we'll see how Carton's career turns out compared to whomever Beilein picks up in his spot
This was his 2nd visit.
Not shocking if he’s looking at the roster. He would be the 4th PG coming in next year. Obviously has the talent. It would t play right away with 3 guys who know the offense ahead of him.
Gotta be a huge relief for Dejulius
This one stings. Bball program is still in great shape but he would have been a great fit.
Where is Maizen when you need him? /s
stinks because Carton looks like a stud but PG at Michigan is absolutely loaded for the next 3-4 years.
I am perfectly fine with Beilein skipping a PG is 2019 and waiting until 2020.
You never need maizen - now go wash your mouth out with soap and water.....
While we didn’t really NEED another pg, this kids highlight tape was pretty fun to watch.
#DakichEffect
Helped Duncan get a two way deal.
Not one to say this much, but something is sketchy about this. OSU doesn't fit any of the criteria he's talked about and I've heard that Holtmann wasn't even on campus for the visit...
No way, not that I have any inside info, but OSU doing something sketchy with recruiting? Surely not the same university that signed Mike Weber and his primary recruiting contact basically leaving the next day? Blasphemy for you suggesting such from OSU. On the other hand, they are definitely not on par with Michigan Bball and maybe hes just strictly looking for an immediate starting opportunity at a school where he will get a alot of visibility, regardless of the fact that they will probably not be very good.