DJ Carton

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Trending away from Michigan and announcing today, according to Sam and Twitter. 

Blue from Ohio

July 14th, 2018 at 4:04 PM ^

My guess is Holtmann is pitching opportunity.  Since he's a newer coach to OSU, he can pitch the whole rebuilding thing and that he can be a cornerstone of that.  That's my best guess, as current situations definitely point to Michigan if he wants to be a part of development, deep tournament runs, etc.

MgoHillbilly

July 14th, 2018 at 3:49 PM ^

They could credibly offer him all the starting minutes he could handle. 

 

No way could we say that with a straight face. Our PGs usually need a couple years to learn how to play in out system.  

 

Short term decision though. Hope the kid didn't have dreams of being on a final four caliber team.

Ghost of Fritz…

July 14th, 2018 at 4:07 PM ^

That rationale does to add up.  Why would the promise of starting minutes be convincing only once they get him on campus?  Do you think that they did not talk about starting time minutes before he got on campus?  Of course they did.

Yet the guy went from 'not sure I will even visit to OSU' to OSU commit just after the visit.

Something happened during the visit that changed everything.  And it makes no sense that the thing that happened during the visit was OSU telling him he would start as a freshman.  100 percent certain they had been telling him that since way before the visit

So...what is something that has the power to change a guy's mind that could only happen during a visit but really could not have happened before a visit?   Hmmm...

njvictor

July 14th, 2018 at 4:14 PM ^

"Yet the guy went from 'not sure I will even visit to OSU' to OSU commit just after the visit.

Something happened during the visit that changed everything.  And it makes no sense that the thing that happened during the visit was OSU telling him he would start as a freshman.  100 percent certain they had been telling him that since way before the visit

So...what is something that has the power to change a guy's mind that could only happen during a visit"

 

That's my thinking and why I find this all so weird. Like it's not like this is the first time he ever stepped foot on OSU campus and it was a "love at first" sight type thing

WorldwideTJRob

July 14th, 2018 at 11:24 PM ^

Holtmann has a pretty good reputation, and I doubt he’s paying kids to come to OSU. It simply is the opportunity to re-build a program. Not every kid wants to come to a ready made program. Some like embracing the challenge of building something from the ground up. Maybe DJ is one of those kids. Beilein had to do similar things when recruiting a kid like Darius Morris.

Human Torpedo

July 14th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^

Talk about a donkey punch. Still, this program has overcome far worse against all odds to become a truly elite program in college basketball. It doesn't weather storm, it is the storm

The Fan in Fargo

July 14th, 2018 at 8:29 PM ^

Don't know what that guy did to deserve that but that piece of shit #5 would be getting a swift ass kicking. I'm not a bad ass or a cheap person when it comes to fighting but that bitch would get knocked on the ground while I speared him from behind and kicked right in the back of the head on his front lawn in front of his sons. Did I mention I'm not a bad ass?

bacon1431

July 14th, 2018 at 3:27 PM ^

He has almost a guaranteed starting spot at OSU. Hard to blame him with that in consideration. This will not sting if DDJ develops and we get another solid PG in 2019. It’s a position I’m pretty confident in under JB

Frank Chuck

July 14th, 2018 at 3:30 PM ^

From 11 Warriors:

"Carton figures to add to an already stacked Ohio State backcourt that is set to at least feature Florida State transfer CJ Walker, and could also feature a sophomore Luther Muhammad, assuming he doesn't leave for the professional levels after his freshman year."

So...uh...playing time doesn't seem like the big consideration.

True Blue Grit

July 14th, 2018 at 3:30 PM ^

Well, if true, this is a big bummer.  But there are a few bright sides here.  One is that Michigan is pretty good at the PG position for the next 2-3 years assuming Brooks improves quite a bit by next year.  Would Carton have still been a big get? Yes, of course.  But, I think Michigan can still win just as much without him.  

Two, is that this opens a scholarship spot for another really good player - maybe at a position we're not as deep at.  Maybe this will really help now with Girard.  I think Beilein will still get another very good player to fill the spot.  It'll be interesting to see who the staff starts to really focus on.  

njvictor

July 14th, 2018 at 3:31 PM ^

What is Holtmann telling recruits? Like they already have the #30 and #22 players in the country compared to their highest recruit from 2018 being #75... they had a pretty good seaon, but like fizzled out in the postseason

Guy Fawkes

July 14th, 2018 at 3:32 PM ^

It's a bummer, no doubt. But turn up the heat now on Rocket Watts. He might be a better fit than Carton for Michigan anyway. Can play either guard spot. 

Losher

July 14th, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^

The thing about this is it’s going to sting to watch him go to OSU and have to play him but a lot of analysts think he’s less likely to be a 1-and-done than most 5 stars are. Also he measured in at the 18u national team event at like 5’11 which seems weird considering he’s listed at 6’2 on most sites. I just think the recruiting miss is more about two seasons away compared to the coming year 

bronxblue

July 14th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^

Good luck to him.  I do remain amazed that people could look at what Beilein does with kids and think "Nah, let me go to this program that somehow featured the guy who was the B1G player of the year drafted in the second round."

But whatever.  Beilein will just get some other recruit to be a 1st-rounder and help lead the team deep into the tournament as opposed to flaming out in the first weekend.

njvictor

July 14th, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^

It really doesn't make sense. Carton has literally said in interviews that one of his main criteria was to be developed. I guess development doesn't go through the minds of 5*s, it's more "where is the best place for me to go a year before declaring for the draft" which is odd considering I definitely don't consider Carton a one-n-done based on his height

bronxblue

July 14th, 2018 at 4:22 PM ^

I agree a lot of it must be related to going to the draft.  I don't have OSU's depth chart in front of me, but if they were playing Dakich double-digit minutes last year it probably wasn't all that deep at PG, and Carton is good enough to play meaningful minutes from day 1.  But he's not a physical freak and maybe his best college analog is a Jalen Brunson type, who needed years to physically mature into the type of player he was as an upperclassman.  

Again, I wish him all the luck in the world - guys should go where they want to go.  But too many guys, I think, believe they are ready for the NBA because they beat up on HS kids, and more times than not unless you are a top-5/10-ish athlete, that first year in college is a huge wake-up call and then you're sorta stuck between going in the draft and maybe slipping to the second round or returning to school and maybe not getting a great deal of development.

Matt EM

July 14th, 2018 at 3:50 PM ^

I'm probably in the great minority here, but I don't see Carton as a huge loss.

DJ is a very good prospect, but I don't necessarily think he would've been a great fit at Michigan. A 5'10-5'11 PG/CG with an average shot in an offensive system that is almost entirely half-court (as opposed to heavy usage of transition) just doesn't seem to be an ideal fit.

Frankly, I think Carton probably made a good decision to go elsewhere based on fit and depth chart. And I also think Michigan will be just fine without DJ for the identical reasons.

 

Matt EM

July 14th, 2018 at 4:17 PM ^

Beverly - not a PG by any stretch of the imagination. He's essentially a SF in the body of a CG. I personally don't see a great fit there and I imagine the staff feels the same...…...hence no offer.

Watts - his father wants him at Michigan, but his surrounding camp does not. As of now, I think Watts lands somewhere else for a variety of reasons and I'll leave it at that.

Anthony - do it all PG that probably lands somewhere else because Duke, Kentucky and others are involved.

njvictor

July 14th, 2018 at 5:09 PM ^

If none of those prospects seem realistic, where do you see Michigan realistically going now? Looking at our current top targets, we don't seem to be in a super good place with any of them. Girard seems like a Syracuse guy. Williamson seems like a Kansas guy

champswest

July 14th, 2018 at 4:23 PM ^

I agree, Matt. I would have loved to have had him, but we have a bigger need at the 2 for the 2019 class (if you think Poole is a 2 or 3 year player). This will give us the scholarship to sign one, and we have a few good prospects on the line. I expect a commit soon. 

Matt EM

July 14th, 2018 at 4:31 PM ^

A kid that I would be at the top of my PG list based on talent and fit would be Tre Mann out of Florida. Kid is literally Trey Burke plus 2-3 inches. Doubt we get involved this late in the game, but that would be my ideal pickup at PG.

At the wing, McDaniels would be my first choice followed by Sam Williamson.

Matt EM

July 14th, 2018 at 5:14 PM ^

The biggest need on the roster is an isolation player that can create off the dribble and score when the offense breaks down. It was definitely a sore spot last year without doubt. I think Poole has some tools to work with in that regard, but obviously the jury is still out.

Jaden McDaniels is the obvious choice, but he's going to be a tough pull but we do have family connections. I think Williamson will develop into that eventually, but he's another tough pull from Texas.

It is very possible we end up with a kid that isn't on the radar as of right now.

goblue16

July 14th, 2018 at 4:09 PM ^

Tough loss but in this case I think that’s the smart decision. With brooks dejulius and Simpson it makes no sense to have a 4th PG in 2019. It’s possible that Simpson has a breakout year and. Brooks transfers but u can’t guarent that. Now enjoy losing to us. Makes the rivalry more fun when stuff like this happens. GO BLUE!!

BlueMetal

July 15th, 2018 at 1:09 AM ^

I'm sure the team/coaches feel differently but for a Michigan fan living in Ohio, there really isn't a rivalry feel to the basketball games.  95% of the OSU fans around here will quickly tell you basketball "doesn't matter" if you bring it up .

 

BlueMetal

July 15th, 2018 at 1:10 AM ^

I'm sure the team/coaches feel differently but for a Michigan fan living in Ohio, there really isn't a rivalry feel to the basketball games.  95% of the OSU fans around here will quickly tell you basketball "doesn't matter" if you bring it up .

 

cbs650

July 14th, 2018 at 4:53 PM ^

If you are a 5 star PG and you know Beilein is recruiting that position every year eventhough the guy(s) in front of you are not leaving, you look for the place where you will have a shot to play from day one on campus, it seems like a no brainer to me. Yes we all understand Michigan is the better program but to him he has an better path to start at OSU and that matters.