Details on NCAA Process for UM w/r/t Sign Stealing Investigation

Submitted by nickelsarcade on October 23rd, 2023 at 6:32 PM

In light of today's news, it is fairly clear that the current investigation is of a much greater severity than many on this Board (including me) initially thought and will likely lead to some penalties being imposed on UM by both NCAA and possibly Big10. Based on my past experience handling investigations with the NCAA, and the number of somewhat crazy statements being made on the Board, just wanted to outline some general principles of the NCAA process and what next steps realistically will be for UM. 

As of now, the NCAA's investigative staff is in the fact compilation process, by which they are developing the record for the ultimate hearing that will be held to determine liability and, if liability is found, punishment. As many have mentioned, staff do not have subpoena power or any clause that requires UM to cooperate, turn over devices, provide staff for interviews, etc. With that being said, compliance with requests, unless they are grossly disproportionate, is expected and usually given and Staff can request from the panel intermediate penalties to try to induce cooperation. A lack of cooperation, in turn, can be used inferentially by the hearing panel to suggest culpability.

After the investigation completes and the investigators determine the exact nature of the underlying alleged infractions, there's a very complicated and long pre-hearing process. Most importantly, during this process, the actual panel that will hear the case is determined. Contrary to public belief, this is done by a computer, and the target institution may challenge panel members that appear to have a conflict of interest. All charges are brought on an institutional level, meaning UM will be the target institution even if this matter stays just with Stalions. 

There are a number of methods of resolution of an NCAA complaint. First, there can be a negotiated resolution (think: settlement) within which the parties agree on the outcome and avoid a disputed resolution through a hearing. Second, there can be summary disposition, where the parties basically rely on their briefing and the hearing panel reaches a conclusion. Finally, there may be an actual hearing, within which relevant parties will present their cases, witnesses will testify, evidence will be shown, etc. Of note, third parties can attend and participate, which can include conference reps, interested institutions, etc. 

After all of this, there may be post-hearing briefing, but then you receive a decision from the panel. There are six major types of penalties the NCAA can impose:

  • Show Cause Orders. General show-cause orders are flat-out bans from all activity. Specific show-cause are . . . specific bans from specific activities. 
  • Financial Penalties - these can include fines as well as reducing revenue sharing proceeds. 
  • Scholarship Reductions
  • Suspensions
  • Vacating Wins and Records
  • Banning the Institution from Participation

Many on the Board have noted that recent by-laws impose a Head Coach Responsibility penalty. Unlike the mainstream reporting, however, that Responsibility is not automatic, and instead is based on a holistic assessment of a number of factors, including: (1) whether the Coach was involved; (2) what compliance and "spot-checks" were implemented at the program generally; (3) history of affirmative reporting of wrongdoing; (4) educated staff on relevant NCAA rules. 

Whatever punishments are reached are then subject to a potential motion for reconsideration and possibly an appeal as well. 

My conclusion: this is a very long process that usually takes years and even on an expedited timeline should take 6-9 months. UM's season should thus technically be safe, and any punishments will either be retrospective or for next season but not interfering. There is too much unknown at this point, but the major question is (1) who funded the activities; (2) how long did it occur; (3) was it understood to be occuring. Harbaugh is not necessarily going to get hit with Head Coach Responsibility, but given NCAA views him as a "bad actor" already, the chips are stacked in that regards. 

The one silver lining is timing. This came out before we played PSU or OSU, and any competitive injury that could have been suffered has been mitigated by the public disclosure weeks in advance. Thus, comprehensive victories against both would go a long way to suggesting whatever benefit this created was marginal and ultimately was not responsible for the program's success over the last few years. If this had been released at end of the year, enemies of UM would be able to claim everything was tainted. This is a rare opportunity to sanitize a very unsavory narrative. 

 

CMHCFB

October 23rd, 2023 at 9:22 PM ^

There are pictures of him on a headset, during a game, on the sidelines.  He appears by the OC when on offense, and the DC when on defense. Out of respect for what is coming, I’m not going to comment further on this issue until the facts are fully known and the sanctions are handed down.  

SalvatoreQuattro

October 23rd, 2023 at 11:22 PM ^

Which proves nothing. He is an assistant. Of course he will be on the field next to coaches.
 

The rule itself is undermined by the fact that the NCAA permits signal stealing. The issue here is not competitive advantage but certain methods used in acquiring that advantage which is…bad.

“Cheating okay, but not if you use a camera while in person.”

Oh, okay.

bdneely4

October 24th, 2023 at 9:20 AM ^

I am not going to act like there is nothing to worry about here, but what amazes me is how many OSU and MSU haters are coming out of the woodwork.  I mean , I get it for MSU because they are so far behind our program right now in regards to talent and coaching but OSU.  THE Ohio State University......THE school that has been so dominant for so long in the B1G.  The tough guys with the toughest talking coach in America.  This tells you something about their feelings about this rivalry right now.  There greatest hope right now is that wins are vacated by a lame and bias organization called the NCAA, but the reality is, the games were still played, the good guys dominated and I think Hassan Haskins just scored another touchdown.  Go Blue!

Sopwith

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:29 PM ^

100% yes. And for the rest of the season, it's a good thing. We're squarely in other teams' heads.

(1) Changing signals is a time kill they should be using for more productive purposes

(2) Huddling or running over the sideline when you want to run uptempo is not ideal

(3) Once it's in your head that your opponent has an unfair advantage over you... you've got one foot in the L column

Sopwith

October 23rd, 2023 at 6:37 PM ^

but the major question is (1) who funded the activities; (2) how long did it occur; (3) was it understood to be occuring.

I would suggest a revision:

(1) Did any of the alleged activities actually violate an NCAA bylaw?

Kinda seems like the major question at this point.

CarrIsMyHomeboy

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:56 PM ^

To answer that, I believe it is relevant whether Michigan financed those tickets (M dept credit card or reimbursement).

If:

  1. Stalions wasn't the attendee (i.e., if he gifted the tickets to rando friends), *and* 
  2. It was Stalions personal money (or if it were more complicated and the paper trail remained impossibly opaque)

 Then, I believe that could land this in a gray zone--that is, a loophole that the NCAA may quickly move to close. Difficult if not impossible to understand the probability of this, based on publicly available information. But it is certainly possible.

bluebyyou

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:38 PM ^

I'm not sure if funding by the program would be fatal.  Signal stealing is not an infraction and the NCAA has indicated that the rule against travel to games and capturing on film or whatever is no longer relevant.

They would be attempting to enforce blue sky.

The freaking gutless Regents will fall on their swords of course, but I'd be in a courtroom.

Durham Blue

October 24th, 2023 at 12:27 AM ^

Buying tickets to games for people (affiliated to Michigan or not) is not an NCAA rule infraction.  I firmly believe that this is all the NCAA or any jagoff sports journalist has right now.  I believe there is no evidence of wrongdoing on the computer that was handed over.  What does the NCAA have to support the allegations against Connor Stalions and/or Michigan?  That is the multi-million dollar question.

ahw1982

October 24th, 2023 at 9:31 AM ^

Don't shoot the messenger, but my biggest fear is:

1) The NCAA clearly has a hard on for Michigan/Harbaugh.

2) Tagging Michigan for a "you should have known" variety violation seems entirely within the MO of a biased organization that only goes after institutions they have hard ons for (see: USC)

The investigation will likely look into the funding angle, but even short of that, the Reggie Bush saga shows that if the NCAA doesn't have the evidence, they won't hesitate to throw the "you should have known" bullshit at you, and (unfortunately) the logic here would be: if Stallions' play prediction was being used by the team, either one of two things happened: Michigan asked questions about Stallions' methodology and knew how the sausage was made, or Michigan didn't ask questions about Stallions' methodology because they didn't want to know how the sausage was made (which, in the NCAA's eyes, means they "knew").

TL;DR, don't be surprised if one of the angles in the investigation is asking if Michigan looked into Stallions' methodology, and if the answer is 'no' the follow up question is 'why'.

WolverineMan1988

October 23rd, 2023 at 6:44 PM ^

Serious question Sopwith, is Connor not considered “Athletics Personnel”? 
 

If he is, then this seems cut and dry to me. If they have video evidence that the person sitting in the ticket he paid for is engaging in filming of the opponents sideline and/or evidence that Connor used said film, then he violated in-person scouting. 

WorldwideTJRob

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:09 PM ^

I could be wrong but I think a parallel would be if a person knowingly bought tools and materials for a bank robbery…they are just as guilty under the law as the people that actually broke into the bank. Now it’s not exactly equivalent to NCAA bylaws, but I think it’s reasonable to assume that they will not give a pass because Stalions wasn’t actually in the seats filming.

JBurd

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:29 PM ^

That’s not a great parallel at all. Someone who knowingly buys another person the tools and materials for a bank robbery is not the same as someone who buys another person a ticket to a game knowing that they are going to film it. The act of filming the game is not the illegal part.

 A lot of people seem to be conflating the act of sign stealing(legal) with the university maybe potentially buying a scout a ticket(illegal). Even prominent journalists online are lumping the two together.It isn’t the act of recording a game that is illegal. It’s whether or not he was paid by the university to be there in the first place. 

i.e. You compared a legal act “buying tools” with an illegal act “buying tickets” and an illegal act “robbing a bank” with a legal act “stealing signs/recording a game”. 

 

Harmon4Heisman

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:41 PM ^

I mean this in the most endearing way when I say you definitely seem to have one foot in the door in this case somehow. I don’t know if you’re plugged in somehow or have a contact in Schembechler Hall, but boy do I wish all of social media could see your comments on here as, at least to me, you are key voice of reason in all this with the insider knowledge it appears you have. Especially wish the CFB Reddit page and even the Michigan one could see, both are a mess right now with speculation and no one understanding the current facts. A lawyer I’m guessing? If not I give you props for being incredibly well versed. Screenshots of your original comment on Stalions’ “network” are all over Twitter, as I’m guessing you might already know. “This guy knew it from the get go right as news broke. Who the hell is he??” 

Sopwith

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:54 PM ^

When I tell you guys the story of how I happen to have knowledge of exactly what transpired in L'Affaire Stalions you're not gonna believe it. The chances were astronomical. 

One of the best details re: Stalions' "scouts" hasn't been reported yet, but when it does, hilarity will ensue. Wish I could reveal it but don't want to give the NCAA any info they don't already have. 

unWavering

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:28 PM ^

I'm gonna guess it's more of a "lol what the fuck how is this real" than a more egregious violation of rules than has already been reported. I can see why he wouldn't want to reveal anything more for the NCAA to look into on the off chance that it leads to the discovery of more damning information (that Sopwith may or may not already know about)

FB Dive

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:57 PM ^

Question for you...you seem commendably calm and upbeat about all of this. Any particular reason why? I know you've expressed doubt on whether any rules were technically broken, but do you know if that sentiment is shared by those inside the program?

Either way, very much looking forward to hearing these comical details when they come out.