Clink is Returning to Michigan
Paywalled article, but the relevant part is not paywalled ...
Chalk up a coaching staff W for Sherrone!
February 8th, 2024 at 7:28 AM ^
He aligns with Sal’s agenda... even if X is not the edge of the internet.
February 8th, 2024 at 9:56 AM ^
Hes a Michigan football fan who seems to really know his stuff. I think Brian has cited him before. Him sounding alarm bells on Wink has me concerned
February 8th, 2024 at 7:50 AM ^
One of the dumbest takes yet. Just because someone uses blitzes don't not mean they are Don Brown. Wink does blitz but also disguises coverage behind, drops dudes into zones, runs zone over the top.
He has the perfect players for the 2024 season to run the scheme and be a DOMINANT defense
February 8th, 2024 at 9:55 AM ^
Ummm, was he not DC in Baltimore with the number one defense, then 3, then 7th in the NFL, with assistants MacDonald and Minter? Or am I imagining that?
February 8th, 2024 at 12:33 PM ^
You may site all the Ravens D rankings you like, obviously we're pro-Ravens here (as far as borrowing their D coaches).
But when you delve into why Wink was let go by John H to bring MM back to replace him, and his toxic relationship with Daboll in NY (not even placing blame, just pointing out a career trajectory). It would seem that Wink had a "Best by" date, and it passed a few years ago.
Even now, he is distinctly the 3rd (4th? 5th?) option Michigan has looked at, and all the others seem to have decided the college game of the mid 2020s is not for them.
So, when a twice fired in 3 years career NFL DC suddenly looks to the college game to get their career back on track, one should definitely look that gift horse in the mouth!
I am, however, prepared to stipulate that at this juncture, if Cullen has indeed decided to take the "less responsibility but also less headaches" NFL job, Michigan would do well to snap Wink up & have him coach with the determination of someone trying to prove they have something left to offer to the NFL.
Make it happen!
February 8th, 2024 at 12:16 AM ^
Any reasoning behind that?
He's in his 30's, spent a decade cutting his teeth in the Ravens organization, and has ties to Pennsylvania and the DMV area. Seems solid to me, for a LB coach.
February 8th, 2024 at 12:19 AM ^
He hasn’t been in college for a decade so no recruiting chops. He was fired by Giants.
Hiring guys fired by bad NFL teams who haven’t coached in college in over a decade definitely a yuck.
February 8th, 2024 at 12:46 AM ^
Considering no one in college football has a background in the defense Michigan runs, and the Ravens themselves are struggling to fill out a defensive staff -- where do you suggest we find defensive assistants? Or are you suggesting we scrap the "Ravens-style" defensive approach?
February 8th, 2024 at 12:52 AM ^
You bring in Wink to coach the defense, no recruiting. And its maybe a 2-year program to develop Clink into the full-time DC. He gets the final Ravens defense tutelage under the creator in Wink himself. What's not to like? I don't get your staunch negativity on this at all.
February 8th, 2024 at 6:42 AM ^
100% agree. This was the process that Harbaugh used with Ed Warinner. He wasn't an NFL rerun, but he knocked around a little and was very good at evaluating talent and developing an OL. I think the knock on him was that he could be a little rough, but he helped develop Sherrone Moore for a couple of years and that obviously worked out phenomenally.
This is in keeping with the Harbaugh tree and system. Clink can learn from an NFL DC that has had success in a system that has also worked for us. I don't think it's a stretch to think this is how it was sold to him and why he stayed.
February 8th, 2024 at 7:27 AM ^
Yeah hopefully Clink can learn two varying styles under the same umbrella and mix and match and apply accordingly.
February 8th, 2024 at 12:57 AM ^
They definitely got fired because of personality clashes.
I'm not thrilled about Wink because I don't know how he'll translate to CFB, but it seems dramatic to say all his acolytes suck - Mac and Minter were his acolytes
February 8th, 2024 at 1:07 AM ^
From your posts it seems like Wink Martindale did something to you personally
Chill out a bit dude
It will be fine
February 8th, 2024 at 1:29 AM ^
I mean yes but also replace "Wink Martindale" with "everybody"
February 8th, 2024 at 5:43 AM ^
Am I wrong in that I heard Wink (can’t stand that name) left the Ravens, versus being fired? If he can run the D without an overhaul then giddy up! The only issue i see is age and his ability to relate and recruit a bunch of nil wanting kids. Hell at 50 my 17 year old speaks a foreign language to me.
February 8th, 2024 at 6:38 AM ^
Wink is a home run hire. I'm not sure you could find a better X and O coach for our system. This guy helped invent this style defense and has a large coaching tree. You are simply wrong on this take.
February 8th, 2024 at 10:47 AM ^
I'm starting to believe that Sal is actually a house cat. He is incapable to understanding how good he has it, and he hates everyone.
February 8th, 2024 at 7:59 AM ^
Bad teams/organizations fire good people all the time. Thats one of the things that makes them bad, they don’t know what they’re doing with value-adding personnel. It doesn’t prove Wink is good, it doesn’t prove Wink is bad. It’s just not much of a data point. If he got fired from a good team, that’s more significant.
February 8th, 2024 at 9:56 AM ^
Sal, this is a bad take. You need to do your research not at 12:19am.
February 8th, 2024 at 11:23 AM ^
I think Jim was fired too
February 8th, 2024 at 6:56 AM ^
When are we changing our color from blue to purple?
February 8th, 2024 at 12:00 AM ^
Jim tried to poach him as well. I'm over him
February 8th, 2024 at 12:51 AM ^
Over Jim? This attitude by some is almost laughable (well, maybe not almost). Harbaugh brought us three of the best years in Michigan football history, with the national championship at the end of this season. He has earned a spot at the top of the mountain that is Michigan football. And, he started with a team at the bottom. No culture, no will, no desire. Michigan was competitive in year one, had a terrible COVID year, and came back with a vengeance. People don't like when coaches leave, I get that. Jim thought it was time, and apparently some other coaches did too. People leave places. It happens. Doesn't diminish my view at all of coach or the past several years of blissful football.
February 8th, 2024 at 3:08 AM ^
Further, 90% of the fanbase was clamoring for Harbaugh to be fired after covid year (myself included- happily to admit I was wrong and ate crow personally). But this notion that Harbaugh is ruining Michigan football is absurd. This fan base wants their cake and eat it too. It sucks losing coaches to Harbaugh, but him and said coaches have every right to go after one of the biggest trophies in all of sports. Harbs has been painted as the bad guy before and after his three years of dominance and its ludicrous
February 8th, 2024 at 4:57 AM ^
Harbaugh is how they got all of those coaches in the first place. Best coaching staff in CFB.
Just setting up the Ravens pipeline alone should be enough to give Harbaugh a lifetime pass.
February 8th, 2024 at 7:11 AM ^
Harbaugh gets a lot of credit for what he did while he was here. But he left and taking all of the coaches who were the culture with him is garbage. There is no excuse for it. He is the biggest threat to Michigan football out there.
Martindale coached with Jack Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh (sort of) in 2001-2. If Jim is helping refill the coffers with his buddies while giving our other coaches opportunities I’ll forgive him, but it might take a few days.
February 8th, 2024 at 7:26 AM ^
Forgive him? Don't. Just keep at it. Damn.
Do you realize that if these coaches don't go with Harbaugh they might have gone anyway? If someone wants something else, it doesn't matter where they go.
February 8th, 2024 at 7:35 AM ^
Exactly, EVERYTHING we have is because of Harbaugh. He took over the barest of cupboards...do you ever think about the origin of "cupboard"? Cup....board, boards to set your cups on, makes sense, but what always makes me ponder is the cupboard doors, were there always doors? If so they probably wouldn't have been called cupBOARDS but maybe cupCLOSETS? So people used to just have shelves in their kitchens? Dusty cups, gotta add the doors...And when did the term cabinet come in to play and how does that differ from a cupboard? This is how my brain works....
February 8th, 2024 at 6:57 AM ^
It was nowhere near 90%... maybe the majority of the most active internet fans, but even then not 90%.
February 8th, 2024 at 7:00 AM ^
Agreed on all but one point: Certainly not 90%. Half maybe. Those of us wanting to wait and see might be glum but we also aren't the ones panicking on the transition. Even internal hires include a lot of turnover.
February 8th, 2024 at 7:30 AM ^
Partly it's that he's screwed up a real chance to compete for multiple titles at Michigan, fight the NCAA, and drown the ferret that's OSU. But whatever, he can do what he wants, no qualms there.
The upsetting part of it all is that he's willing to hurt Michigan through this unexpected and excessive poaching after the fact. That was obvious by the Ben Herbert and Elston hires. When players are surprised and shocked by those moves after Harbaugh has already said his goodbyes is terribly disappointing. It's become clear that Michigan isn't any more important to him than whatever random NFL team gives him a chance at a Lombardi trophy. That's in stark contrast to the many fans here, including me, that love Michigan and see it as the penultimate place to coach football. So please forgive those of us that have a bit of an attitude.
February 8th, 2024 at 10:39 AM ^
It's hard to fight the NCAA when your own school doesn't have your back.
Harbaugh wanted to challenge them on the claim that he deliberately was misleading about the burger receipt. Michigan's response was to try to negotiate a four-game suspension, and when that fell through, unilaterally slapped a three-game suspension on him.
Later, Michigan pulled the plug on the TRO attempt the day before Harbaugh was going to get his chance to testify.
Then, while the Chargers were pitching woo to Harbaugh, Michigan decided to play hardball over the same clause Bill Self got, telling him in effect, "We'll offer you more money but there's no guarantee you'll actually see it." The Chargers' deal offered no such strings attached.
It shouldn't be a shock that he decided enough was enough and took the pro job.
As for hiring some of his U-M assistants, that's what coaches do when they take new jobs. The best way to keep your staff intact is to not lose your head coach.
People are holding him to a near-impossible standard, expecting him to sacrifice his own personal/professional needs for the good of his alma mater - which wasn't even guaranteeing he'd be employed here long-term.
February 8th, 2024 at 11:10 AM ^
No doubt the school screwed the pooch. Contract extension should have been done sooner and proper guarantees for Jim.
February 8th, 2024 at 11:42 AM ^
Why do we keep having to rehash this:
"Harbaugh wanted to challenge them on the claim that he deliberately was misleading about the burger receipt."
--> What are you complaining about, according to you, Harbaugh got his way. Michigan has received the Notice of Allegations from the NCAA and is in the process of filing their response within the 90 days. Had the NCAA accepted the 4-game ban, which you are so angry about, this whole issue would have been put to bed. Instead, Michigan still has the chance to fight the Level I allegation. Michigan also has to still deal with the 4, Level II allegations of which there is no defense.
"Later, Michigan pulled the plug on the TRO attempt the day before Harbaugh was going to get his chance to testify."
--> Michigan didn't pull the plug; the judge DENIED the TRO which Michigan filed and scheduled a hearing for the following week on a motion for a preliminary injunction against the B1G. Of the B1G mandated 3 game suspension, Harbaugh had already missed 1 game. The hearing was scheduled the day before the 2nd game, and it was heavily rumored that a decision wasn't going to come down until after the 3rd game. Even at that point, reading posts from the various attorneys on this board, there was no guarantee that Michigan was going to get the injunction. The B1G came forward and said, if you stop, we will. Michigan had just fired Chris Partridge so what was the point of still going forward? Does everyone go down with the ship or at some point can we start getting people on the lifeboats?
"Then, while the Chargers were pitching woo to Harbaugh, Michigan decided to play hardball over the same clause Bill Self got, telling him in effect, "We'll offer you more money but there's no guarantee you'll actually see it." The Chargers' deal offered no such strings attached."
--> It's always surprising to me that people never mentioning that Harbaugh even if he agreed to everything in a contract extension was not going to sign the extension until mid-February. The reason being that under his current deal, he had a $1.5 million buyout but under the new deal, he had a $4 million buyout.
Does Harbaugh love Michigan? Yes. It is plain to see though that he kept moving the goal posts on the extension until he had exhausted his NFL opportunities this hiring cycle. Don't pull some type of fake threat to Harbaugh's job. The only way in which Harbaugh would have been fired is if something really bad came to the surface in which Harbaugh has been lying all along about. If that were the case, no 3-panel hearing board and whatever other considerations Harbaugh had wanted would have saved his job.
February 8th, 2024 at 1:00 PM ^
I will refute one point in your post JonathanE, but that one point destroys all that follows:
Michigan suspended Harbaugh over Burgergate. Sherrone too for that matter. They didn't fight the ncaa, stall them, wait them out, challenge their authority, in short do all the things every other school does, even when faced with far more serious allegations. They preemptively suspended him, just hoping the ncaa would let it go.
I said in September Harbaugh was gone after '23 because of that. As we keep pointing out ad nauseum in every thread, the college game has been allowed to become something ridiculous due to the ncaa doing all the things I just described to fight athletes getting any $ legally.
If the school won't fight as hard for their coach, why would he stay, what with all these additional burdens?
In short, Michigan essentially opened the door for Harbaugh to leave, which fighting adding the protection clauses to his contract until he literally had pen in hand to sign the Chargers deal only proves!
February 8th, 2024 at 3:36 PM ^
Michigan suspended Harbaugh over Burgergate. Sherrone too for that matter. They didn't fight the ncaa, stall them, wait them out, challenge their authority, in short do all the things every other school does, even when faced with far more serious allegations. They preemptively suspended him, just hoping the ncaa would let it go.
There are level II violations and a level I violation. Sherrone Moore was suspended one-game for his part in the level II violations. There is no Burgergate or We Didn't Do It Gate associated with the level II violations. Michigan broke the rules.
You do not have the level I violation alleged by the NCAA, if you do not have the level II violations. Of those 3-games in which Harbaugh was suspended, how many were for the level I violation and how many were for the 4 level II violations?
People just seem to gloss over the fact that had the level I violation not occurred that Harbaugh may have still been suspended for the level II violations. As you pointed out, Sherrone Moore served a 1-game suspension.
If you think that IF there would have been no NCAA investigation that at the end of this past season that Harbaugh would have simply signed a contract extension and that he would have forgone any NFL job, you are mistaken. Three years ago, if the Vikings had offered Harbaugh a job, he was gone. I love Harbaugh and defended him many times over the years but he had an NFL itch that always needed scratching.
February 8th, 2024 at 7:32 AM ^
Yes, how dare Jim try to bring the coordinators he hand picked, hired and won with to LA, with him!
/s
February 8th, 2024 at 12:01 AM ^
Well that's a win, he does a great with the secondary.
February 8th, 2024 at 12:02 AM ^
That’s a nice little ray of sunshine during an odd few weeks. Thank you sir.
February 8th, 2024 at 12:04 AM ^
If we hire wink, who’s our best option at DL coach? Is Ryan Osborne an option?
February 8th, 2024 at 12:17 AM ^
Hoke. He will walk to Ann Arbor.
February 8th, 2024 at 9:58 AM ^
ngl Id love Hoke as DL coach. Ace recruiter. Good culture guy. Never gonna happen but Id like it
February 8th, 2024 at 12:19 AM ^
He’s the dl coach for the ravens why would he move laterally down to NCAA?
February 8th, 2024 at 2:02 AM ^
You referring to Ryan Osborn?
He's currently Biff Poggi's DC at Charlotte. Was with the Ravens in '22, but didn't have a position coaching title. He was given a great deal of credit for Hutch & Ojabo in '21. He'd be a great get as DLine coach!
I think it's galling we've gone from Cullen to Wink over the course of a day, but right now few are turning down the NFL for the mess that college football is evolving into.
Looks like Cullen may be heading to Seattle, play-calling or no. At least he won't have to re-recruit his players after every season, with no control over how much more "NIL" another school can provide than Michigan will.
Or maybe Seattle just plain outbid Michigan?
February 8th, 2024 at 5:10 AM ^
*sigh* you claimed this in another thread and I corrected you there too.
Osborn is not now, nor has he EVER, been the DL coach for the Ravens.
He is currently the DC for the University of Charlotte, making $260k per year. He spent one year with the Ravens prior to that as a “defensive assistant,” which is essentially the NFL equivalent to an analyst. He worked with the DL there, alongside the actual DL coach.
February 8th, 2024 at 7:34 AM ^
The internet is hard!
February 8th, 2024 at 12:36 AM ^
14 degrees in Adelaide. Those Australian winters are harsh.
February 8th, 2024 at 4:43 AM ^
That's celcius which translates to 57.2. farenheit.