Cade or J. J.?
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:34 PM ^
Justin or Feagin?
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:01 PM ^
Title says it all?
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:41 PM ^
We should just feel blessed that we have two quarterbacks that we feel good about.
Most years the question is which quarterback scares you to death less?
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:53 PM ^
Please bench Cade, him winning for Michigan is pissing me off. WTF OP!
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:57 PM ^
Cade should start until JJ has the whole offense downloaded, until then JJ should get meaningful snaps every game like this week.
Cade is decent but he is very limited and leading the team to 20 points against Rutgers illustrates the shortcomings. Against Wisconsin he threw late and off the mark often mixed with some good throws. The long completion to Wilson was egregiously under thrown and Wilson made a great play.
I suspect Cade continues to start with Jj’s role increasing as the year plays out.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:16 PM ^
Cade got drilled right when he released it and couldn't step into the throw on the pass to Wilson. He did well just to get that ball off and give his WR a chance one on one. UM QB's have too often been guilty of not giving the wr receiver a chance on passes in recent years, he gets credit there for at least doing that without being able to step into it.
October 3rd, 2021 at 10:40 PM ^
Ball was released late. Which is why he was hit. I agree giving the receiver a chance is a good idea most of the time.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:03 PM ^
This type of discussion must be the norm over at the Alabama message boards.
Nice problem to have, for sure. The rich man's dilemma, do I take out my super yacht or the Bugatti today? What to do....?
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:04 PM ^
Cade is the starter UFN. JJ would have to win a game for Michigan if they were down 17 points at halftime like Cade did last year against Rutgers.
Such a scenario is very unlikely this year the way this team is playing. Another scenario is injury for JJ to start. Aside from that, I'm with Cade.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:14 PM ^
STOP IT. Just stop it.
It's Cade, and it's not even close. Cade doesn't make mistakes. McCarthy's played so little, we have no idea how mistake-prone McCarthy really is. Harbaugh knows. If McCarthy could manage a game like Cade, then McCarthy would have already won the starting QB spot.
All Harbaugh needs is a QB who can manage the offense. Cade can clearly do that. It's over. This is not a real discussion. Stop it. Cade is the starting QB.
*sigh*
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:51 PM ^
You believe all Michigan needs to beat the Buckeyes is a game manager?
October 3rd, 2021 at 8:59 PM ^
Yes, leadership matters. Cade has the trust of the team and they respond confidently and calmly when he is at the helm. He makes good decisions and doesn’t beat himself. And for the most part the moments have not been too big for him. It is is too early to say that he is clutch or has the knack for making plays in the biggest moments, but the trend is good. Let’s not make the same mistake with Cade that we made with Brady when Henson was his disciple because Drew was the shiny new thing. JJ will have his time and I look forward to it. Cade is doing a good job leading this offense and should be commended for it. Having a little patience will pay off for both JJ and the team. It certainly worked for Brady when he came back for a fifth year. Henson couldn’t wait and chose baseball. How did that work out?
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:14 PM ^
McNamara is not a QB that we will ever win a big game with. He's a mediocre passer who misses a lot of easy throws, and he is no threat to run or even scramble for yards. Having him as the starter puts a definite ceiling on our offense. Whether J.J. will ultimately be better is an open question, but if he will not have a chance to start until 2023 (which is how Harbaugh always works), he'll transfer, and we'll be back to square 1 on QBs (again).
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:23 PM ^
I recommend quitting the board. Just a constant fountain of awful takes.
October 3rd, 2021 at 9:51 PM ^
McNamara is a mediocre passer who misses a lot of easy throws, and he is no threat to run or even scramble for yards. Having him as the starter puts a definite ceiling on our offense.
Feel free to dispute any of that.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^
he just won a big game, dumbass. jesus.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:38 PM ^
Wisconsin is 1-3. This was not a big game, dude. The fact that we've sucked against much better Wisconsin teams did not make it a big game. Penn State will be a big game. Ohio State will be a big game. When he wins those, call me.
October 3rd, 2021 at 7:10 PM ^
If you promise to fuck off until then, cool.
October 3rd, 2021 at 7:21 PM ^
So let me ask you how many points did you think UM would score on Wisconsin's defense heading in? I bet it wasn't anywhere close to what they got. Wisconsin regardless of being sucky on offense is still undisputably one of the best defenses in the country. UM didn't just beat them in an ugly 13-10 rock fight or anything they also put up far more points than many expected. It was in fact a big game for the offense and Cade and the receivers delivered the required plays to beat that very good defense. Maybe JJ overtakes Cade at some point, outside shot of even sometime this year, but we are debating the here and now and the coaches feel Cade gives them the best chance to win right now.
October 3rd, 2021 at 7:34 PM ^
I don't get why people want to diminish yesterday's win by pointing to Wisconsin's 1-3 record without noting that their three losses are to the #4, 9, and 14 teams in the country. Wisconsin's defense held Penn State to 50 rushing yards, and Notre Dame to 3 yards on the ground! They are one of the top defenses in the country, and we just put up 38 points and the most rushing yards they've allowed all season.
I'd say that was a pretty good win.
October 3rd, 2021 at 7:56 PM ^
Agreed, I mean fine you are still skeptical or not giving the defense alot of credit cause they did what everyone else has done against Wisconsin's offense that is fair. But they absolutely exceeded expectations on offense and did better than anyone else has against Wisconsin's defense. Some of these same people who don't want to give the offense credit were predicting they wouldn't even crack 13 points heading in.
October 3rd, 2021 at 9:47 PM ^
Wisconsin will not be highly ranked at the end of the season, if they are at all. In December, this will not be regarded as an impressive win.
October 4th, 2021 at 4:58 AM ^
Do you enjoy being obtuse? Are you really going to dispute that Wisconsin's defense is still a very good unit and almost nobody would have expected UM's offense to put up the points they did headed in? Nobody is saying this is a good overall Wisconsin team because of their offense but it absolutely was a big game for UM's offense to show they could score against a very good defense.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:21 PM ^
You can't just enjoy this for a few days?
Having said that I think they're handling if perfectly. McNamara is the undisputed started but get McCarthy in where he can help, and get him some experience.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:23 PM ^
shut.
the fuck.
up.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:42 PM ^
I say we go with CaJ.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^
TOM BRADY OR DREW HENSON
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:48 PM ^
A coach who replaces an uninjured quarterback of an undefeated team should be fired immediately, no questions asked.
Now, if there's a 2 or 3 game losing streak all bets are off. Barring that, there should be no quarterback switch.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:09 PM ^
Dabo Swinney and his 2019 national title trophy say hi
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:11 PM ^
or if the QB takes lots of sacks and throws lots of interceptions which also has NOT happened.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:14 PM ^
Fire Dabo Swinney!
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:49 PM ^
I mean I will say even having a backup with clearly huge potential is a luxury that UM has not always had recently but that does not mean he is ready to be the full time starter. I mean yes if JJ catches up to Cade on the mental side, etc his physical skills are better. I think we can all acknowledge that, but I don't think that happens this year and you can't rock the boat when you are 5-0 and your QB has committed no turnovers. In the meantime he can still help this team in a limited role like he did this week.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:06 PM ^
Cade has done nothing to lose the job....He's pretty good.
It's pretty clear JJ is special, but is he ready with the entire playbook and to lead the team? How would the team react to a QB change?
It's a really tough call...JJ seems to have a higher ceiling.
Dabo had a similar situation at Clemson and did this when benching a solid starter Kelly Bryant for a freshman QB Trevor Lawrence believing his higher ceiling gave them a shot at a national title - he was proven right.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:17 PM ^
Both please...for the rest of the season.
We will need both to win tough games imo.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:37 PM ^
Playing JJ like they did yesterday is the best way to break him in and help the team.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:47 PM ^
Cade’s not going anywhere man but I believe you will see more and more sprinkles of jj in preparation for the game penn state and msu
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:58 PM ^
I still think Cade gets the Kelly Bryant treatment as well. Played good enough to win but Lawrence was a program changing QB and maybe JJ is.
October 3rd, 2021 at 7:00 PM ^
Having a hard time accrediting this to stupidity/ignorance.
This smacks of divisiveness.
October 3rd, 2021 at 7:01 PM ^
Harbaugh takes a lot of abuse on this site, some it it deserved. But I don't think anyone can say he doesn't have the guts to make a change when he thinks he has a potentially great quarterback to replace a good one. Ask Alex Smith. I personally think JJ looks like he has more potential, but Cade is doing what is being asked of him and the team is winning. I'm trusting the coaches on this one.
October 3rd, 2021 at 7:34 PM ^
You know who knows this best? The coaches. Second best? Those who do UFR Offense & chart the QB plays. (You’ll find JJ’s couple of great throws there, and also a bunch that make those saying “JJ more accurate” want to check their glasses.) I love the way thaw coaches are getting JJ into games, real experience, and he’s shown some greatness—and some freshman-ness: that jaw-dropping throw across body across 3/4 of field on a scramble…was pick 6 against top competition—I think, even with benefit of hindsight, they’re managing them near perfectly. All Cade has done is manage the game, thrown great long balls, given his receiver safest shot more often than not (tho not as often as would like), and had 0 turnovers (knocking on every piece of wood in sight). I like this right here as it is. Bring JJ in slowly, safely, while you keep winning, so he’s ready as possible if suddenly needed or, hopefully, so he grows into the role. Starting him now would be foolhardy. Maybe he doesn’t do enough freshman things to lose you a game against the number of great things to win them. But zero (0!) reason to take that risk now when everything is working this well. Smdh. 5-0 and someone is considering changing QBs because of imagined thing coming that unchallenged freshman is going to handle better than calm 5-0 guy at helm now? Seems crazy to me
October 3rd, 2021 at 10:32 PM ^
Boooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
October 3rd, 2021 at 10:42 PM ^
JJ looks good but its Cade's job to lose. He has more experience and has not done anything for him to lose the job. I am sure any crazy issues and they won't have a hesitation to put him in. Said this before but I think we have 2 very capable QB's which is awesome to have.
October 3rd, 2021 at 10:47 PM ^
I was a freshman the Brady / Henson year and the comparisons miss the mark. Brady was a senior who had already started an entire year before all of that nonsense. Cade has been here longer than JJ, but this is basically his first year playing. He’s still very much in “learning” mode.
Cade has been solid. He hasn’t turned it over. That can’t be discounted. It’s a fact tho that JJ gives the offense a dimension that Cade doesn’t offer, namely, RPOs and read options. We will need all those wrinkles in play if we have a chance against OSU. He also throws a better deep ball and delivers the ball faster. If we think the team could actually win the B1G and go to the playoff, we have to roll with the most talented players.
October 3rd, 2021 at 11:40 PM ^
I agree with this a fair bit. It seems like “when” and not “if” for JJ starting. It’s hard to say about the calculus of your argument about who gives us the best shot to win big this year. Harbaugh seems not to have made these changes in the past and you wonder how much the desire to be solid and not fuck it up this year might cause him to stick with the steady thing
October 4th, 2021 at 1:19 AM ^
JJ. the talent is obviously there. cade is a perfect backup.
October 4th, 2021 at 8:12 AM ^
I say stick with Cade and let him continue to grow in the role. Keep it this way for 2021 unless some playing issues or injuries come into play
October 4th, 2021 at 12:15 PM ^
They didn’t let JJ throw until the game was in hand. That tells me they still love Cade’s decision making, but JJ is the faster guy who can impact RPO against good defenses.
WRs need to learn how to settle into zones, but Cade was seething/scowling even when the game was done. He’s a competitor, so he probably feels the heat, and he’s a kid who probably does look at social media.
If JJ takes over, it will be because Cade stops being trusted to make plays and JJ shows they can trust him to not make rookie TOs.
We are talking about a QB who has the intangibles in Cade, that is leading the team and it’s unflinching attitude—who plays a clean game and makes the right reads.