Absolute media silence on Signgate since the suspension
Anyone noticed that the media has gone silent on Signgate since the suspension? Outside of a couple clickbaits about what Pete Finebaum and Lou Holtz think, there have been no leaks, no news on investigations, nothing on Ryan Day's PI firm or the Purdue transgressions, no other coaches whining about how wronged they were. No new leaks from our side either which is strange since I thought we were going scorched earth.
Cynically that makes me think that the other coaches and ADs got what they wanted from little tony and so they can move on.
I find the silence somewhat deafening, like somebody told everyone to shut up now that they got their pound of flesh. what do you think happened?
November 15th, 2023 at 1:46 PM ^
So much for his agreeing with Desmond's rationale take on this issue. Sounds like he is back to being the asshole he always was.
But I don't follow ESPN at all anymore, and my life is all the better for it.
November 15th, 2023 at 3:31 PM ^
Problem is they have him on places like CNN the other night - where he espoused his one-sided argument to people who will get all of their information only from him. That's how this whole mess blew up in the first place.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^
Boycott ESPN. It's working for me.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:59 PM ^
Anyone who watches ESPN programming outside of actual game broadcasts is just doing themselves a disservice.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:21 PM ^
I mean, it's pretty clear they realized that there wasn't more fire there than the smoke they found and so suddenly nobody is digging into Stalions at CMU, whatever is going on with Weiss, etc. because Harbaugh is off their screens. Come Friday my guess is they'll ramp back up.
And in the interim you do have some of the dumbest fuckers in the world on OSU message boards trying to throw every possible crime on the books at Weiss and Stalions in the hope it sticks.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:29 PM ^
And being echoed on the likes of RCMB wondering why it isn't being investigated by the NCAA and B1G and splashed all over the nightly news???? as if random s#*t by anonymous posters on rival messageboards has any basis in fact whatsover.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:22 PM ^
"No new leaks from our side either which is strange since I thought we were going scorched earth."
I wasn't necessarily expecting a huge dump immediately this week, but I was expecting something. For as angry as everyone is reported to me, it makes me wonder how much we actually have that would be impactful to reveal.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:04 PM ^
Posted this question earlier. Where is the response from UM we’ve been hearing? Was it all a bluff?
November 15th, 2023 at 2:04 PM ^
I've assumed that the school and the conference are talking during this week between the TRO filing and the hearing, so perhaps there's some negotiations going on about unlike Petitti Michigan is acting like an adult and not trying to burn down all possible bridges.
I'm coming around to the idea that the two sides will agree that this weekend's game is the second and last suspension game for Harbaugh and that this is the end of all Big 10 punishments toward UM/Harbaugh going forward barring some truly insane thing coming out. Maybe a fine or something but this would be it, and so in that case the TRO gets dropped and everyone acknowledges this was stupid and they'll await the NCAA's investigation in 2-3 years.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:36 PM ^
This is the answer. I've seen multiple insiders say the two parties are talking to avoid going to court on Friday.
November 15th, 2023 at 3:40 PM ^
I think the reason this is more palatable to us now is because the PSU game came and went and we won.
If we had lost a close game, I think we (the fans at least) would be out for blood still.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:23 PM ^
I think its going to be settled before Friday, and there will be a decent uproar about it from all sides, and then it will all drift away like nothing happened.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:24 PM ^
I don't think they got #1 on their wish list, Jim Harbaugh resigning or being fired, but having him suspended for the most important games of the year was probably a close #2. Ahead of the reputational damage to the program, the bad press, and CS no longer employed.
On the bright side, I think Day's PR firm shot its shot. If they had anything else to leak I think it would have been put out by now.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
I bet they’re saving some dirt for osu week or soon after so the narrative can be “Michigan bad” and not the final score where osu has fewer points.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:36 PM ^
That's entirely possible. On the flip side, if we have any dirt, especially anything connecting OSU / Day to the investigation, I hope we wait to release it and drop it on Monday before the Game.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
Or maybe they’re waiting to spew their lies next week before The GAME !
November 15th, 2023 at 2:17 PM ^
This fanbase has never been more united in my lifetime.
This team is playing like a hired assassin - no remorse, empathy or doubt.
I would like to thank OSU for helping put all these tumblers in the lock together like they did. They have nothing else except hell to look forward to in 10 days.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:46 PM ^
Thats been my take too. There probably isnt anything else because if there was Thamel or Dellinger or someone else would be gleefully tweeting it already. This PI investigated Stallions for months presumably and how many coaches have been quoted as being involved in it?...not a single one. If they had a name, it would be out there.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:24 PM ^
Partially it's because the coaching carousel has started and that gets tons of clicks.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
It's like in chess: First, you strategically position your pieces and when the timing is right you strike.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:29 PM ^
I don't know, I stopped into my little neighborhood bar and grill spot for lunch and some ESPN bloviator was pissing and moaning about Michigan playing the "victim card," it was muted so I couldn't hear what was being said, but that was the chyron.
I would like to know exactly how Michigan is doing that. Most people point to the alleged "whataboutism" of Michigan's accusations against Ohio State, Purdue, and Rutgers. Do you really think Michigan dug that up just since Signgate broke a month ago? I mean, it's possible, but my guess is they knew about it a while but were like, "Whatever, everyone does it," and then that changed when it became clear Day is behind Signgate. Wanna fuck us, fine, we're fucking you back.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:37 PM ^
The "victim card" complaint is because we're not taking our punishment like good little boys. We're supposed to be sufficiently ashamed that we were okay with suspending Harbaugh for a crime he didn't commit because Petitti asked us nicely, and then we were supposed to be okay with him being suspended anywhere from 3 games to indefinitely despite it violating the conference bylaws.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:50 PM ^
Its funny how everyone just expects us to roll over and take punishment despite there being no evidence Jim did anything wrong and there being no investigation yet. What other schools head coach gets suspended multiple games on the allegations on of their staffers broke NCAA rules? None. Its a joke. Zero percent chance this happens at almost any other school because no one is pretending to be outraged by the same thing happening at Kansas State (for example)
November 15th, 2023 at 8:41 PM ^
There are not even any allegations. There are allegations that there are allegations.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:40 PM ^
ESPN bloviator was pissing and moaning about Michigan playing the "victim card,"
If you're mad that someone is playing the victim, that means you're actually just mad that you're losing the PR battle. True villains cannot play the victim card because it would laughably fall apart. The anti-Michigan folks are losing the public's interest, and the B1G's bungling of the suspension combined with Michigan still winning has severely dented the PR on the B1G side of things. If Michigan gets the suspension overturned in court, the B1G is really gonna look bad and Petitti will start having some uncomfortable conversations.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:47 PM ^
Bingo. They've now lost control of the narrative. Moore/Corum's postgame interviews destroyed the diabolical picture they'd been painting of Michigan for weeks.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:48 PM ^
Its been fun being on rCFB lately as the story slowly fades away. Its gone from the Michigan flairs all taking -50s to all the OSU flairs taking -50s for trying desperately to keep the dream alive
November 15th, 2023 at 1:53 PM ^
I thought a former Purdue coach/staffer just came forward with that info? Said his motivation was that Harbaugh was being treated unfairly?
November 15th, 2023 at 2:06 PM ^
Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. So apparently Michigan was just supposed to sit on that, because otherwise it would be what-about-ing.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:09 PM ^
I thought it was someone from OSU or Rutgers because it was the person who put the info together to send to Purdue. And it's a person who is not there anymore.
I haven't studied the staff changes to know who was with OSU/Rutgers in 22 but not 23.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^
Most people point to the alleged "whataboutism" of Michigan's accusations against Ohio State, Purdue, and Rutgers
This talking point from rival fans bugs me because they don't know why Michigan is using it as a defense. They've heard terms like "whataboutism" and have been told since they were children "just because someone else is doing something doesn't mean you should do it too." That's all well and good, but sometimes things that look similar on the outside aren't the same and shouldn't be treated the same way.
It's obvious that this finger-pointing from Michigan serves a greater purpose in their defense of what they've been accused of than simply calling out others. You would have to be pretty naive, stupid, and/or motivated not to understand that.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:46 PM ^
In my mind, the whataboutism is an argument about the severity of the crime, i.e. the alleged crime didn't give a significant competitive advantage. And following that, let the punishment fit the crime. Three game suspension is far beyond fitting the crime.
November 15th, 2023 at 4:34 PM ^
I thought the “whataboutism” addressed the goofball claims around player safety and competitive advantage. It’s not “look over there!” so much as “look at how stupid you sound saying that shit.”
November 15th, 2023 at 1:30 PM ^
I’d hope the big ten and Michigan can negotiate not having Harbaugh suspended for osu. Say maybe we’ll drop the case on Friday, suspend him through the Maryland game and call it even. I truly hope they come to their senses
November 15th, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^
November 15th, 2023 at 2:41 PM ^
But the whole point of this clown show was/is to get Harbaugh suspended for the OSU game, so that Day and OSU will have a better chance of winning. Day knows he will probably lose to a Harbaugh-led Michigan and three losses in a row will put him on the hot seat. So he/OSU cooked up this intimidation scheme of the rookie Big Ten commissioner to make this happen.
Remember, the panel that decided on 3 games has/had OSU and PSU as members. I can't think of a more ridiculous set-up.
The only hot take I have left is if Michigan beats OSU this year, then OSU will put pressure on the Big Ten to exclude them from the Championship game, sending OSU in our place. If Michigan wins the conference championship, then pressure shifts to the CFP committee to exclude Michigan.
November 15th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^
This was a masterful move by Ryan Day to remove himself from the Ohio State hot seat for years to come. Their fans will cry about Michigan cheating and use it as an excuse for why their hero Ryan Day loses to Michigan. If he indeed did hire that private investigation firm, he’s gotten a ton of value out of it already, regardless of whether Jim Harbaugh coaches this year against his team.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^
I have to imagine the BIG realizes they have a lot to lose without making a deal. 1 game reduction makes it seem like they won, although, I'm not even happy with that. If this does happen, then we need a Jim and John watch party podcast where they discuss the game as they watch it together. Maybe Jack would be in on it too.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:32 PM ^
Cynically that makes me think that the other coaches and ADs got what they wanted from little tony and so they can move on.
Not sure they got what they wanted. I think they really were hoping to chase Harbaugh to the NFL, and instead he's apparently close to signing an extension.
But I think the Big Ten - having gotten a decent amount of criticism for the way it handled things last Friday - may be feeling like it bit off more than it can chew and might finally have the resolve to tell OSU and the rest to pipe down.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:32 PM ^
I was just thinking it was odd that there hasn’t been anything from the “insiders” all week. Probably because there is nothing new at this point. We are just waiting until Friday. I was hoping that since the hearing is Friday Michigan and the Big Ten might negotiate a settlement. Unfortunately I don’t see that happening. It has gone too far for either side to back down now.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:35 PM ^
it was talked about on The Den. Basically the silence "could" be the fact that there's a level of negotiation happening - or it just could be there's nothing new to report.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:34 PM ^
I will say harbaugh's "america's team" comment was a little cringeworthy, and paw finnebottom got his panties in a wad about it... shocker. but that's what harbaugh is and does. you take it one, you take it all (twss).
I don't think there's much to say until Friday - if he is vindicated or at least there's a stay of execution, you'll hear whining about the last 2 reg season games.
I do think not having harbaugh against osu is a BIG deal. He has a mental edge over Day clearly and just having him there sucks the air out of the room for folks lookinga t our players/other coaches... and he embraces that role
November 15th, 2023 at 1:39 PM ^
I think Harbaugh was trolling with the "America's team" comment. He does a great job at enraging Michigan haters and I don't think he cares.
He is definitely proud of our program having the most wins in football history.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^
Definitely trolling - has a very dry sense of humor. Jake Butt was just on the other day saying Harbaugh was such a good deadpan that the players were never sure whether he was kidding or not.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:29 PM ^
Right - I don't disagree. on the surface though, it was odd, but that's his thing. He says/does what he wants, regardless of the narrative taht the media spins.
November 15th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^
I really enjoyed how outraged people were by it. If people are gonna be pretend outraged at you constantly, might as well lean into it and make them rage even more in whatever corner of the internet they hang out in
November 15th, 2023 at 1:39 PM ^
I will say harbaugh's "america's team" comment was a little cringeworthy,
Nonsense. It was a fantastic comment. It put Michigan's critics on the defensive.
November 15th, 2023 at 1:50 PM ^
There is a non 0 chance that not bowing to the authority of the B10 and NCAA will help Michigan in recruiting. Michigan showing a backbone should be attractive to anyone who doesn't love shitty authority
November 15th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^
I loved it. WE ARE AMERICA'S TEAM
November 15th, 2023 at 1:40 PM ^
Say the NCAA determines that Harbaugh is to be held accountable for some violations perpetrated by Stalions. Does this current suspension count toward "time served" or would they levy their own separate suspension? It would be absolutely absurd if they suspended him either in the postseason or to start next season.