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It's definitely been fun…

It's definitely been fun today reading all the posts from Sparties about how they can "hold their heads high for a great season" (translation: "Shut it, Michigan fans who aren't even saying anything, your team sucked" - always, always, ALWAYS what is on their minds first and foremost) and how they "fought to the end"...YOU WERE THE FUCKING PRESEASON #4.

The whitewashing like this was supposed to be just about as far as this team should have gone, is hilarious. I'm sure he won't, but I hope Izzo coaches another ten years, he's lost it but they'll forgive him for anything. Fine, be like the dumber Wings fans from a decade ago and demand no changes because, "Hey, our meaningless playoff streak!" even though they aren't doing shit when they get there lol.

I'm not worried about hockey…

I'm not worried about hockey. MSU is having *A* better year, I'll worry when it becomes sustained. Though it's been fun watching the same State fan friends who told me "lol no one cares about college hockey, but you go ahead and use it to keep coping with the TCU game" when I was getting into the tourney last year, now suddenly acting like lifelong college hockey fans and that it's on the same level as football and basketball. 

As for basketball, it's always been my least favorite sport of the three. It sucks losing to them but as long as Izzo is there, which can't be too much longer, the best Michigan can hope for is a run of parity like Beilein eventually achieved. Ho-hum. His coaching tree is nothing particularly special, and when he retires the pressure to nail the perfect replacement will be huge, to say nothing of the pressure ON the replacement. That fanbase will implode if basketball drops off. Especially when in football they just hired their Brady Hoke.

It is a great line, by the…

It is a great line, by the writer. But I'll never accept the Dantonio quote as anything but a temper tantrum brought about by him mocking Michigan for losing to someone else when he hadn't even coached a game against them at MSU yet (and the program he had just taken over was on a five-game losing streak to Michigan), then getting it shoved up his ass when Michigan beat his team, and the players returned his mockery. He will never not be a pathetic human, to me.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of…

Yeah, I feel like a lot of rival fans conveniently "misremember" Harbaugh's first few years. They act like Michigan completely sucked and then things changed suddenly when Stalions came along (never mind all the much bigger changes that happened that same offseason). Outside of the COVID year, Harbaugh's worst season was a single 8-5 outing in 2017, with every other season 2015-19 seeing nine or ten wins. That's a run MSU would kill for, but are pretending Michigan was just awful during that time. Yes, 2020 was a disaster, but it was for a lot of teams. State fans seem to have no problem reconciling their jump from 2-5 to 11-2 that next year. What Harbaugh did was clean up three areas, and they can all be chalked up to changes in either culture, game planning, or both:

- road games against any team with a pulse. In 2021 they went on the road and beat Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Penn State. Still lost to MSU, but not without some controversy. Going on prior experience I remember heading into that year worried that was a 1-3 or even 0-4 trek

- Ohio State. Enough said there

- postseason. Only really solved that one in the last year (save for the 3-0 in BTCG), but figured it out when it mattered most

Apart from those, yes, very large things, the last three years weren't all too different from 2015-19. He focused on a couple bugaboos and got mostly over the hump.

I don't know, they probably…

I don't know, they probably stole signs, I have it from a lot of really smart and totally objective people in Columbus and East Lansing that it's the only way a struggling team can improve rapidly.

Oh, they don't have signs in the NFL? Shit. Huh, I guess maybe changes to the coaching staff resulted in changes to the team's culture and their approach to player development and game planning. But no way anyone else could do that. Certainly not a guy who has lived and breathed football his entire life starting with being raised by his coach dad, and who then played in college and the NFL and has had success as a coach at both levels as well. Only the Lions, an organization synonymous with incompetent futility for 30+ years, could pull that off.

EDIT: last part was not a dis, I am a Lions fan, just stating the facts as they once were...

"Mr Brightside" playing in…

"Mr Brightside" playing in Tampa just now, and the fans were singing along. No one tell Sparty!

It's a fun song to sing along to, everyone else thinks so, you just hate it because Michigan fans have had the most fun doing it, and made it a thing. Such sad, pathetic people.

That's been my favorite…

That's been my favorite thing this whole time.

Hater fanbases, 2024: "If Michigan wins, they have a huge asterisk! Vacate! None of these wins count! Washington will be the real champions! And Florida State, even after losing by 60!"

Hater fanbases, 2018: "Don't you DARE try to claim the 2013 basketball Natty! So what if Louisville had to vacate! They beat your ass ON THE COURT, where it matters!"

Which is it, fucks?

The only people still…

The only people still endlessly harping on it are OSU and MSU fans, and at this point even they know it's overblown, it's just their coping mechanism for dealing with the fact Michigan has risen to the top tier of the game. It's more painful for Ohio State fans, who are still in disbelief that Michigan has taken what they believe to be their birthright position, and it's more delusional for MSU fans, who had convinced themselves 2008-15 was the entire history of college football and that somehow the pendulum was never going to swing back to the actual historical norm of Michigan being the superior program to their joke dumpster fire.

The funniest part is their pretending their "concern" is about the integrity of the game. No it isn't, you don't give one shit about that, you care about a run of success being taken away from Michigan and its fans. If you cared about the integrity of the game, you'd follow through on the promises you all keep making, that you're "done with college football," which I, we, and especially yourselves know is laughable bullshit for 99% of you.

This. No one has done more…

This. No one has done more to help Michigan look better, than Ohio State and MSU fans massively overplaying their hands. Yes, Connor Stalions broke a rule (an outdated one, the elimination of which was already being considered before this) and has paid for it, he will never be around college football in any professional capacity ever again. If the NCAA determines Harbaugh knew about it, or had any way he should have known about it, Michigan likely will pay some penalty as well (though I'm pretty sure even if that happened, vacating three seasons would remain the Columbus / EL pipe dream that it is). Screeching about how what he did was worth multiple scores every game, it's the only reason Michigan's any good, and acting like it's basically up there with paying off officials or bribing opposing players to shave points, makes them look ridiculous and actually helps Michigan in the eyes of more objective observers. But haters are blinded by their hate, so, OK, fine, Michigan goes 0-12 the last three seasons if not for an analyst (that's right, not "coach") with an iPhone.

I hope he fucking cries. I…

I hope he fucking cries. I live in Lansing and work with a bunch of State fans and it's glorious. The whining and pissing and moaning is next-level. You don't like the same team as I do, fine, most people don't. But I can't stand obsessed haters of any stripe and watching them be miserable is so, so enjoyable. 

Nah, I'm not cheering for…

Nah, I'm not cheering for anyone to get injured or thrown in jail without due process. I completed undergrad there, I live in Lansing, pretty sure my feelings have plenty of valid observational founding. Also, judging by your join date and posting history, I have my doubts as to your true fandom, so not really sure I'm the sad one. Sorry I touched a nerve, Spart.

Yeah, I don't get this…

Yeah, I don't get this mentality at all. Sorry if I'm wrong, but I feel like this can only be people who attended Michigan from out of state who feel this way, or elderly Michiganders who can vaguely remember when Sparties weren't such maniacs. Regardless how much a coach with some class might un-trashy the mentality of the program a bit, the fans are trash to stay. The Big Ten, to the extent I even care about it anymore, can have a healthy middle from the likes of Minnesota, Nebraska, Illinois, UCLA, etc. State on the other hand, can bottom-feed for the rest of the Big Ten's existence. Fuck them, always and forever.

As for this QB, sounds like a solid pick-up, notwithstanding their acting like they landed the #1 actual high school recruit and not the "No shit, Sherlock" fortune of a decent QB following his career .500 coach to his next stop. Not gonna make much difference next year or likely the year after, though.

I feel this way as well…

I feel this way as well until I remember that I attended MSU and it was like this nearly 20 years ago when I was there. Oh, also, their answer to literally any criticism of their program, whether it's from a Michigan fan or not, is to just default to "Bo knew," something that's never even been proven, so fuck that delusional lot anyway.

While I do think it seems…

While I do think it seems pretty wild that unless I missed one, Michigan and Penn State are the only teams playing three of the newcomers, with Michigan the only team getting the three tough ones (that does seem pretty nakedly like a favor to Ohio State but I have faith they'll get theirs down the road), I'm OK with it. Because it means I've heard the last piss-and-moan about Michigan's schedule*.

*Which I've always thought, apart from this year and last which were indeed sad non-con schedules, was a bunch of overblown bullshit. Michigan can't predict years out that the likes of Florida and Washington are going to suck when we finally play them. And obviously on the conference side you can only play who the conference gives you, and in that regard Michigan got no favor this year (minus Ohio State, easiest opponents were mostly at home) and sure as hell not next year

I disliked Kane intensely…

I disliked Kane intensely circa 2009-13, when the Hawks were gradually supplanting the Wings as the class of the Western Conference, but those days are long gone. At this point I'd be pulling for his comeback regardless, but all the more so now that it's going to be in red and white. This team might still be a season or two away from real Cup contention (or maybe not, we shall see!) but I think the playoff drought definitely ends this year. Love what Stevie's doing, feel like his trajectory has been similar to Jim's: the old hero the fans wanted to come home and rescue the team, but maybe the turnaround hasn't been as quick as hoped for. Jim had a four-year head start on Stevie, hoping patience will be similarly rewarded soon. LGRW!

I just think that even…

I just think that even though it's now been three years since they won it all, to a lot of people they're still Saban and the Tide and the best overall program (and let's not forget they've now still made two of the three Playoffs since, opinions on whether they should have this year notwithstanding). Having another SEC team challenge them for supremacy isn't enough of a dent in that mystique. Hence, why I said elsewhere on here that Michigan really does have a huge opportunity on New Year's Day, to truly put that narrative to bed.

Sorry, I tried do this the…

Sorry, I tried do this the right way with the hyperlink button, not just copying and pasting, but it did that anyway.

Yep. This was reposted on…

Yep. This was reposted on Facebook this morning, from an FSU fan page, by a friend. They are correctly identifying the issue. Bitter loser OSU and MSU fans are trying to get them to switch to blaming Michigan and may succeed to some degree, but 95% of what I've seen on social media from FSU fans since Sunday afternoon has been bitching about the SEC's reach into the Committee and Saban's polticking, not Michigan.
https://www.facebook.com/THEYFEARTHESPEAR/posts/pfbid0kJ51xy6Q7LwGpvDsYBsZJ6DY98WWyp8GdCziCraGq5vQKiaULmUwTquYWW1enVTl

Compiled for a shit-talking…

Compiled for a shit-talking Sparty friend yesterday, who is of course now suddenly the biggest Bama fan not named Cletus. Apologies for the informal format, it was sent via Messenger and I'm at work and don't have time to make it pretty:

SEC Non-con
Georgia - blew out FCS and two bad G5 teams, beat 6-6 GTech by 8
Missouri - two one-score wins over G5 teams, one bad, one good, one blowout of FCS team, 3-point home win over K-State
Tennessee - blew out one bad P5 team (Virginia), one decent and one bad G5 team, and one FCS team
Kentucky - blew out two bad MAC teams, iffy win over FCS team, solid road upset of Louisville (rivalry game)
Florida - blew out FCS and bad G5 opponents, lost to Utah and Florida State
South Carolina - blew out FCS team, decent win over decent G5 team, lost to North Carolina and Clemson
Vanderbilt - blew out FCS team, loss and one-score win vs MWC teams, beaten handily by bad Wake Forest

Alabama - blew out FCS and bad G5 teams, meh win over decent G5 team, lost to Texas
Ole Miss - blew out FCS, bad G5, good G5, and meh P5 teams
LSU - blew out FCS and two middling G5 teams, lost to Florida State
Texas A&M - blew out FCS and two bad G5 teams, lost handily to middling Miami team
Auburn - blew out FCS, two G5 teams, one good, one bad, 4-point win over middling Cal team
Mississippi St - blew out FCS and two bad G5 teams, one-score home win over good Arizona team
Arkansas - blew out FCS and two bad G5 teams, lost at home to middling BYU team

Terrible? No. World-beater conference? Also no, in fact fuck no.

Apart from the few who played marquee games, most are not better than Michigan's "pathetic" non-conference, and whose schedule includes a third cross-division game instead instead of an FCS team for a fourth non-conference game. Pretty sure Minnesota, Nebraska, and Purdue are at least better than THAT.

Also can I just add how sad MSU fans are right now, shitting all over the Big Ten because trying to discredit Michigan's season matters more. 

What's DiNardo worried about…

What's DiNardo worried about, having one G5 team is going to screw Indiana when they finally have their Cinderella 9-3 season some time in the 2040s?

Posts on this thread + quick…

Posts on this thread + quick glance at recent posting history give off a strong Buckeye troll odor. 

People look for someone saying something outrageous and sometimes it is, but to me the dead giveaway is always over-the-top exaggeration of the stereotypes Ohio State and MSU fans apply to Michigan fans, of course mixed with dumb concern trolling like "Florida State will try to claim a Natty" lol.

He really wants to become…

He really wants to become part of tHe BiGgEsT sCaNdAl In FoOtBaLl HiStOrY by using signals stolen by Stalions?

In any case with all the players OSU will have opting out I doubt you'll need the "21-point advantage."

OMG you're so triggered! Do…

OMG you're so triggered! Do you need a safe space???

...did I say it right?

Ooh, good catch. Better…

Ooh, good catch. Better check in with WorldNetDaily instead.

You can say, "This happens…

You can say, "This happens everywhere," but I happen to believe there are, let's say, certain philosophies that might be unique to Liberty, that are why this is going on there. You can try all you want but I'm not going to be baited into saying anything that will be spun as political or motivated by some form of bigotry, to get me in trouble with the mods. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/10/03/liberty-university-education-department-investigation/70964425007/

Crazy that he didn't…

Crazy that he didn't reference Michigan's "scandal" and how FSU should sue the Committee for putting Michigan in when they could have put Florida State in instead. Oh that's right, he's a real person who is sane and has opinions that actually matter, and correctly identifies that the actual travesty was two 1-loss teams getting in over an unbeaten, he's not a Michigan-obsessed maniac posting on 11W or RCMB.

The polls juice are juiced…

The polls are juiced for the SEC, their teams are virtually automatically at or near the top of their respective tiers of number of losses, 1-loss, 2-loss, 3-loss, for no other reason than the narrative that "They're just the best conference." Hence, "Well Alabama's 'resume' was that good" despite being soundly beaten at home, playing an FCS team in November (yes I know they always do) and nearly losing to a putrid Auburn team the last game of the regular season. Whether haters in Columbus or East Lansing or elsewhere in the Big Ten want to accept it or not, Michigan has a huge opportunity to put a sizable dent in that narrative on New Year's Day.

Yeah, pretty sure I'm just…

Yeah, pretty sure I'm just free to dislike the institution and what it stands for, without regard for who's currently there or not.

If a good ol' boy who…

If a good ol' boy who seriously goes by Dabo in real life can be Saban's match, Jimmy definitely can. 

BET

Exactly what I said…

Exactly what I said elsewhere. Let's beat his ass into retirement.

I know one thing: if the SEC…

I know one thing: if the SEC is left out, get ready to relive late October / early November. Uproar over Stalions has gradually died to down to just Columbus and East Lansing, where there will no doubt be memorials erected someday over the traumas they endured at his hands. But if Michigan's in and Alabama's out, it's gonna be the 19th of October all over again south of Mason-Dixon and on ESPN, with incessant whining and crying and outrage that Michigan shouldn't have gotten in because of a guy with a smartphone.

Get Will Johnson back. Get…

Get Will Johnson back. Get JJ 100%, because I still don't think he is. Get the OL jelled after the shuffle from the Zinter injury. You're done playing the Big Ten, so get ready to open up that playbook a little. 

Do those things and this team can beat anyone, in fact I almost hope they get the shot to beat Nick Saban into retirement. GO BLUE!

I'm joking, of course, but…

I'm joking, of course, but man, we are looking at the Second American Civil War if the SEC is left out.

They wanted two teams in and instructed their officials and Georgia to make it so (again I kid, but maybe not as much, this is the Shadiness Extortion Corruption league we're talking). Gonna be hilarious when that backfires because they no longer have an unbeaten.

BONUS: the Finebaum meltdown will be one for the ages.

We wouldn't have to wait for…

We wouldn't have to wait for November, 2024 for a certain POS to lose another election and claim again that it was stolen from him, we'd get the Second American Civil War next week if the SEC had two one-loss teams kept out. I'd LOVE the meltdown, but not happening lol.

Yeah, keep the Bucks out…

Yeah, keep the Bucks out. They'll say we're scared of them, like they did last year, but they'd be furious if they beat us to get in the Playoff and then had to again. So, same thing the other way, deal with it. I'm rooting for Georgia, Washington, and I suppose Florida State. Not just because I think those latter two would be easiest, but because chaos is dangerous for us. Obviously it would be outrageous but I could totally see the committee using "the scandal" as an excuse to keep a 13-0 Michigan out if Alabama and Oregon win and any other crazy shit happens.

But of course, first and foremost obviously...BEAT IOWA.

Well, per MSU fans he's…

Well, per MSU fans he's already there. Everyone's there until they're not. Just like "hIrE uRbAn!!!"

I will say it would change the entire calculus for next year. Forget worrying about Washington and Oregon, Sparty's got a drama magnet QB and career .500 coach, man.

Well, you might want…

Well, you might want verifiable facts, and I might want them too, but a lot of people that either disdain or simply haven't been subjected to serious scholarly rigor, often don't get the importance of accuracy and are more than happy to just be told what they want to hear. Unfortunately, if you're in the media today, that's where the clicks and subscriptions and money are. 

The whining about Michigan's…

The whining about Michigan's style of play has always been the most deliciously pathetic of the haters' mantras. "Michigan runs the ball too much! They settle for field goals! They throw to their tight ends a lot!" 

...and? I do hope this year there is something a little more dynamic up the sleeve for the Playoff that Buckeye and Sparty and Nittany losers will be watching from the sideline. But in the meantime, if those really are all it takes to beat your shit teams, I don't think pointing it out is really the dunk you seem to think it is.

Getting ready for work and…

Getting ready for work and don't have time to think up five but #1 is definitely now this year's Wilson TD just on principle. Yes, Burke took the ball in the endzone, but it's clear as day Wilson broke the plane with it, and the whining and crying about it from Ohio State and (sigh, of course...) MSU fans for some reason, has been hilariously epic. It was a hell of a lot clearer than the TD taken AWAY from Wilson against TCU and you fucks had no problem with that, so now you can deal with it going the other way.

Yeah, it's nothing like…

Yeah, it's nothing like State fans' hatred. There are more hateful rivalries, but I don't know of another rivalry where fans of the "lesser" program so pathetically blame the other one for everything that's ever happened to them, and think that justifies harassing or assaulting strangers over the team on their shirt. Oh and are so bitter that no one cares about them enough to call them their biggest rival, which of course is also Michigan's fault. 

They really are beyond…

They really are beyond pathetic. Every week it's "We are all <insert Michigan opponent> today..." Then if Michigan loses they act all vindicated, like they did it. If your hatred is that unhealthy you probably just shouldn't watch college football, you're going to develop anger issues if you haven't already, due to the amount of time you're going to spend upset. Sad loser program and even more so, fanbase. Yes, every fanbase has pieces of shit who cheer for 19 year-olds to get injured and nutcases who think every uncalled holding or PI, which happens every fucking play in college football, is proof of some conspiracy. They just seem to have a lot more than most. I love how they think Smith coming from another "Little Brother" program means he'll obsessively hate Michigan as much as they do. No, during my time in the Army I met plenty of Oklahoma State and Wazzu fans, they are nothing like MSU fans in terms of inferiority complex, certainly not obsessed with whether fans of their respective "Big Brother" teams went to the school or not. Nope, that really is just you sad sack losers.

"We're a Top 20 destination!" - lol oh yeah, delusional, too. The gaslighting and pretending they knew all along Urban was a pipe dream and oh actually we didn't really want him anyway, after two months of blowing him daily and seriously praying for him to come there, has been hilarious. They knew Michigan was going to have a very successful season while theirs was dogshit, they so desperately wanted Urban so they could have something to lean on to talk shit and issue threats all offseason. They can try now, but they know at the end of the day that while Smith is certainly a solid hire, he's not scaring anyone.

Are there any other teams in…

Are there any other teams in Michigan besides the ones listed? I can't remember.

Oh, wait, yeah, there is the one that just hired a coach who all the message board nutcases were pissing and moaning about just a week ago and are now backpedaling and gaslighting each other trying to pretend they wanted him all along and the two months of obsessing over Urban Meyer were just for funsies, because acting like pathetic fanboy losers and making bizarre AI images of grown men are DEFINITELY fun. I think it's the same fanbase under the hilariously mistaken impression anyone outside of East Landfill or Columbus or ESPN cares as much as they do about Michigan's "scandal," if at all.

Meh. He sounds like he just…

Meh. He sounds like he just learned about the rivalry yesterday. Burke out there guaranteeing a win and saying there is nothing special about Michigan. Everyone has their way of coping with the pressure and spotlight. Both could be 100% poised and dialed in, both could be just about shitting their pants. Unless you can read minds and know for certain, I wouldn't analyze too much either way.

It really is Steinbrenner…

It really is Steinbrenner for me. While stealing Henson away is perfectly legitimate, let's be real. His career would bear out that he was only a middling baseball prospect, signing him to that contract at that time had one motive, and one motive only. Ohio State always has to pull some underhanded off-field shit to undo it whenever Michigan is dominating them. That move helped end an era of Michigan dominance (I firmly believe the Tressel mystique doesn't blossom quite like it did if Henson sticks around and Michigan beats him the first time, and if you remember that game, what killed Michigan were Navarre's INTs, as he was just not quite ready for that stage yet), just as the bullshit going on right now is intended to try to nip another such potential era in the bud.

As of right now no snow in…

As of right now no snow in the forecast for Saturday, but a high of only 37F, so I'm sure that will be cried about if Michigan wins again.

I won't lie, I feared the…

I won't lie, I feared the worst. Figured the next PI/PR firm drip drip drip had dripped.

I was looking at it…

I was looking at it yesterday, not as deeply as this, just comparing performances against common opponents, taking into account home or away, and margin of victory. I'll give them a tiny nod for the hardly dominating Notre Dame road win, but that's literally it. The idea that they have some dramatically better resume than Michigan is ludicrous, and is being hyped to pre-justify backing them, once again, into the Playoff following a loss to Michigan, should that happen.

Yep, as I said in another…

Yep, as I said in another thread recently, it's on the crowd to make sure the officials know where they are, and that it's not Columbus. No 2016 hijinks.

In medicine "MI" means…

In medicine "MI" means myocardial infarction, i.e. heart attack. I don't want that kind of game, so let's just go with another beatdown, please.

I say tell them just go to…

I say tell them just go to Ford Field. Gets our message across and throws Sparty a nice sop, since the way things look now their next visit from CGD will be sometime in the late 2030s. And it would be a good troll job since it's not even actually their campus.