[Patrick Barron]

Signgate The Third Comment Count

Brian October 26th, 2023 at 2:06 PM

UFR tomorrow or Monday; bye week and there's been all… this.

The latest article. Washington Post article. New points of information:

  • An "outside investigative firm" approached the NCAA with "documents and videos the firm said it had obtained from computer drives maintained and accessed by multiple Michigan coaches."
  • The sources for this claim "spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about an ongoing NCAA investigation," which cool NCAA, just keep doing this.
  • A "detailed schedule" of Stalions's plans was submitted with an annual cost of 15k.

Plenty of vague words the article, particularly "a computer drive maintained and accessed by Stalions as well as several other Michigan assistants and coaches." Unless an outside investigative firm was happy to take a case founded on hacking into Michigan servers, here is what this means, in all likelihood:

  • One of Stalions's recruits flipped on him.
  • He/she provided a link to a Google Drive or equivalent.
  • That's where the documents came from.

So yet another piece of evidence that indicates Stalions is an idiot: he gave virtually unknown strangers access to his CommitCrimes.docx.

This article does clarify some things. One: the steady drip, drip, drip of one story after another that barely changes the overall picture is indeed the work of a firm hired to damage Michigan's reputation as badly as possible. Michigan is executing exactly zero PR in response.

One thing it does not clarify is what the nature of the "drive" is, a detail seemingly left blank intentionally to let people fill in the worst case scenario. "A computer drive maintained and accessed by Stalions as well as several other Michigan assistants and coaches" could be Jesse Minter reading CommitCrimes.docx and giving his enthusiastic approval, or it could be just another folder on a cloud drive that no one else goes into.

I could even assert that Stalions might have password protected his portion of the drive, or limited access, but no, that doesn't appear to be how this guy rolls. 

I do think this might end up being wrong. I can't imagine Michigan has an internal shared drive that Stalions could give someone else permission to access, especially after the Michigan IT disaster this August. I mean, I guess I can because WHY NOT but surely at some point we will throw a stone and hit a reasonably professional individual. If this was a stand-alone google drive anyone inside the program who accessed it will be turbo-fired. 

[After THE JUMP: oh good a manifesto]

Another latest article. SI, Richard Johnson. This one is sourced from "a then student at a Power 5 school who was looking to break into the college football industry" who texted back-and-forth with Stalions. Most of it is just the kind of stuff a mid-20s dude trying to impress someone would say(“I’m close with the whole staff", etc.) The two main bits of interest are thus. One:

“Pre-covid, stole opponent signals during the week watching tv copies then flew to the game and stood next to [then Michigan offensive coordinator Josh] Gattis and told him what coverage/pressure he was gettin,” Stalions continued.

This is doesn't excuse the hiring folks to watch games bits, but does provide some explanation about how Stalions managed to worm his way into the athletic department. The guy probably had some natural talent for figuring these things out.

Two:

Stalions, now 28, revealed that he was part of a small group of people—two of whom he said were at low-level positions on different college football coaching staffs—who were putting their heads together on a long-term plan to run the Michigan football program. Stalions claimed to have a Google document between 550 and 600 pages long that he managed daily, containing a blueprint for the Wolverines’ future. He referred the document as a movement more than a plan, dubbing it “the Michigan Manifesto.”

“Any idea you could ever have,” he wrote, “there’s a place where it belongs in the document. It’s super organized.”

Ah. So it's one of those guys. This bit makes me feel much—much—better about the idea Stalions was calling his own number, unencumbered by the idea anything he was doing was wrong. He is a lunatic.

What the hell, Warde? Obviously Jim Harbaugh should not be hiring lunatics off the street. But he is Jim Harbaugh, a supremely talented football coach who does things like hire lunatics off the street, or Shemy Shembechler. What in God's name is Warde Manuel doing? You are seriously not vetting Harbaugh's hires after the Shemy incident? The constant stream of embarrassing but ultimately inconsequential news is one thing. This is another. 

This should be the end of his tenure as athletic director. Job one is fix all the shit Harbaugh's going to blow past. Job one. 

What about the money? The Post article cites that spreadsheet claiming that the operation was going to cost 15k a year. This naturally leads to questions about where that money is coming from for a guy who makes 55k a year. I have one dollar that answer is "mom and dad."

Sideline passes are hard to come by.

Meanwhile 95% of the time there's an article in the newspaper about how This 25 Year Old Bought A House In A City there's a paragraph that says "mom and dad are loaded." A lot of Stalions backstory makes more sense in that context. My dude can drive back to Ann Arbor when Navy is on the road because he doesn't have to care about money. Devin Gardner remembered him as the guy at every road game:

Gardner was at Michigan from 2010-14. Stalions would have been 15-19 in that span. One doesn't show up at every Michigan road game for a period of four-five years as a teenager unless your parents are well off. There is literally a post on MGoBlog from 2012 in which a "cstalionsuofm" says Frank Clark gave him his gloves. I don't think Stalions was saying "hello dad I need money for Crimes"; I do think it's likely the prospect of a parental backstop is all but mandatory if you're going to live your life like Stalions apparently was.

Noise. If you've been on Twitter the past week you've probably noticed various Ohio State fans breathlessly relating facts like "Stalions stood next to the defensive coordinator" and "Michigan knew a pass was coming on third and goal from the four and then gave up a touchdown." All of this is meaningless. Yes, obviously Stalions was the sign-stealing guy. Therefore he got put next to the people who wanted to know about signs. You're allowed to steal signs. All that matters is Stalions going outside the bounds of the rules to steal said signs. Not one thing an OSU fan has posted is evidence of anything other than Stalions being the sign-stealing guy, which no one denies.

Silver lining. Hoo boy, some of these quotes coming out make OSU's program sound dumber than dirt:

You mean to tell me that you thought Michigan had your signs in 2021 and didn't have a plan for 2022? That you were caught off guard for the freakin' Game? That you couldn't just use wristbands? At some point it's on you, right?

Also, obligatory:

Comments

los barcos

October 26th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^

Occam Razor's is that the independent firm could have been hired by the NCAA to investigate Michigan's Cheesburger incident, with M's permission. The timing, and reporting structure (directly to the NCAA), would fit - more so than someone illegally hacking into the system.

blueheron

October 26th, 2023 at 2:42 PM ^

Yes, but they might have to boil the ocean to find CS's stash. Don't investigations tend to be focused?

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Something on which I'd bet a lot of money if it was OSU-instigated: There will be no clear ties to the football program or school and the PR firm. Rather, there will be some layers between it and Day. OSU will completely disclaim responsibility for the booster's actions and may even pontificate about how something like that would be beneath them. This general idea was suggested in another thread.

Shippanimal

October 26th, 2023 at 3:01 PM ^

Agreed.  Isn't the most likely scenario that a school who was aware that Stallions was Michigan's sign decoder (I believe multiple schools, including OSU, claimed to know this as of last year) saw that he purchased tickets in their stadium and sent stadium security (or someone from the investigative firm posing as stadium security) to check out those seats?  If they found one of Stallions's "assistants" in that seat filming the game, they could ask the assistant to come with them and intimate that the assistant was in serious trouble if they did not cooperate.  Either not appreciating that he/she was not really in that much trouble (WaPo suggested that the assitants included students) or not wanting to be bothered any further, the assistant might have cooperated and given them access drive where the video was to be uploaded.  Given that Stallions and his buddies were already sharing the "Michigan Manifesto" as a Google Doc, it is clear that he was maintaining a Google drive, and it seems likely that he would have asked his assistants to upload the video there.  Based on everything that has come out, this just seems like the simplest explanation to me.   

BlueTimesTwo

October 26th, 2023 at 4:01 PM ^

That does make sense, but every school that was aware (or even suspicious) of the sign-stealing then has no claim of harm if they didn't make any attempts to mitigate the damages.  It is like getting your credit card stolen, knowing about it, and hoping that it gets maxed out so that the offender gets a harsher punishment.  They have the power to change signs, methods, use decoy signs, etc.  It can't be widely known and also hugely impactful.

Unless OSU knew they were about to get wrecked on the field, and just wanted ways to excuse being soft and unable to compete.  Getting your opponent DQ'd would be a lot easier than actually blocking and tackling.

los barcos

October 26th, 2023 at 3:27 PM ^

As noted before, most NCAA investigations start as something small and unrelated then turn into something bigger. NCAA absolutely could have been investigating recruiting violations, asked to see other staff member's computers, and come across this. CS was ostensibly in the recruiting department so it would make sense to turn over his laptop as part of any investigation. 

 

The Homie J

October 26th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^

If this was the result of a different NCAA investigation into Michigan, wouldn't that be super easy for an insider to verify?  If we find out that a firm hired by the NCAA was scanning through the AD's shit, it should be very easy for the UM side to corroborate that.  But the UM side seems like they had no idea they were being looked into for anything but Burgergate, which would point back to a third party private investigator

DelhiWolverine

October 26th, 2023 at 7:03 PM ^

The NCAA doesn’t have the resources to hire a third party to run a secret black ops investigation into a football program they suspect of wrongdoing.  Their MO is to ask directly for information and then lay on penalties if their investigation is obstructed.  They don’t need to be secretive because they are the authority. All they need to do is ask for what they want up front and the school is obligated to comply. 

Chaco

October 26th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^

that last clip of Aidan Hutchinson trucking the OSU tackle is PROOF that he stole signs!!!!!

 

(that is sarcasm.  That clip is only proof that no matter what play you run if Aidan Hutchinson was on the field during that game the play was likely getting blown up or severely impacted).

pdgoblue25

October 26th, 2023 at 3:38 PM ^

I sent that gif to my buddies who were giving me shit and said, "what sign did we steal on this play?  was the play call for Munson to be tossed into the first row of the stands?"

I shit you not, my buddy responded verbatim, "he clearly benefited from being signaled the play called and the blocking scheme beforehand."

I have no response for this line of thinking.

I then sent a gif of Cornelius curling away from that initial tackle to score our first TD and asked, "what was the sign we stole here?  was the playcall for the DB to blow a tackle that would have ended a drive on 3rd down?"

He responded, "if he knew what the coverage was he would know which way to turn away from the DB."

 

two losses have caused their fan base to lose their fucking minds.

kehnonymous

October 26th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^

Disclaimer that I hopefully might eventually have to eat crow on my second point, but:

Dave Branding sucked donkey farts as an AD because of his actions.

Warde Manuel is sucking donkey farts as an AD because of his inactions.

Time is a flat circle.

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 26th, 2023 at 2:51 PM ^

I will say this.  Brandon's contempt for the NCAA was a positive and what would be needed right now.  In his press conferences and statements about Stretchgate treated the whole thing dismissively as it should have been.  Unlike Warde, he wouldn't take this laying down.  That would be welcome right now.

Brandon's problem is that contempt also applied to, like UM students and fans.  Which is no-go for an AD.

umaz1

October 26th, 2023 at 2:21 PM ^

Why do we keep hearing about the 21 game? Wasn’t Stallions hired in June of 2022? And osu already said they changed up their signs for the 2022 game. So what are we even talking about?

Newton Gimmick

October 26th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^

Seems if OSU knew that Michigan knew their signs in '22, it would advantage OSU.  Not only would they know to change their signs for the M game, but change them in such a way to directly fool Michigan.  To use Michigan's knowledge against Michigan.  So yeah idk how they would be at a disadvantage at all 

JonathanE

October 26th, 2023 at 6:17 PM ^

Seems if OSU knew that Michigan knew their signs in '22, it would advantage OSU.  Not only would they know to change their signs for the M game, but change them in such a way to directly fool Michigan.  To use Michigan's knowledge against Michigan.  So yeah idk how they would be at a disadvantage at all 

Maybe they were using Vizzini's logic about the goblet with the poison. 

But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. - Vizzini in The Princess Bride

jmstranger

October 26th, 2023 at 2:21 PM ^

I'm more convinced than ever that the practice of giving preference to people with money or legacy is the root of 99% of all the issues Michigan has been having. Stop hiring crazy people or letting them on your sidelines just because they've got money to donate or a name you recognize.

IndyBlue

October 26th, 2023 at 2:37 PM ^

I agree with you to an extent, but it appears Stalions was actually bringing some value with his sign decoding (whether the coaching staff knew what he was doing is still up in the air).

Should Jay Harbaugh not be an assistant because of his name/nepotism hire? All evidence points towards him being a good coach, so there are definitely exceptions to the rule.