[Patrick Barron]

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Brian October 26th, 2023 at 2:06 PM

UFR tomorrow or Monday; bye week and there's been all… this.

The latest article. Washington Post article. New points of information:

  • An "outside investigative firm" approached the NCAA with "documents and videos the firm said it had obtained from computer drives maintained and accessed by multiple Michigan coaches."
  • The sources for this claim "spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about an ongoing NCAA investigation," which cool NCAA, just keep doing this.
  • A "detailed schedule" of Stalions's plans was submitted with an annual cost of 15k.

Plenty of vague words the article, particularly "a computer drive maintained and accessed by Stalions as well as several other Michigan assistants and coaches." Unless an outside investigative firm was happy to take a case founded on hacking into Michigan servers, here is what this means, in all likelihood:

  • One of Stalions's recruits flipped on him.
  • He/she provided a link to a Google Drive or equivalent.
  • That's where the documents came from.

So yet another piece of evidence that indicates Stalions is an idiot: he gave virtually unknown strangers access to his CommitCrimes.docx.

This article does clarify some things. One: the steady drip, drip, drip of one story after another that barely changes the overall picture is indeed the work of a firm hired to damage Michigan's reputation as badly as possible. Michigan is executing exactly zero PR in response.

One thing it does not clarify is what the nature of the "drive" is, a detail seemingly left blank intentionally to let people fill in the worst case scenario. "A computer drive maintained and accessed by Stalions as well as several other Michigan assistants and coaches" could be Jesse Minter reading CommitCrimes.docx and giving his enthusiastic approval, or it could be just another folder on a cloud drive that no one else goes into.

I could even assert that Stalions might have password protected his portion of the drive, or limited access, but no, that doesn't appear to be how this guy rolls. 

I do think this might end up being wrong. I can't imagine Michigan has an internal shared drive that Stalions could give someone else permission to access, especially after the Michigan IT disaster this August. I mean, I guess I can because WHY NOT but surely at some point we will throw a stone and hit a reasonably professional individual. If this was a stand-alone google drive anyone inside the program who accessed it will be turbo-fired. 

[After THE JUMP: oh good a manifesto]

Another latest article. SI, Richard Johnson. This one is sourced from "a then student at a Power 5 school who was looking to break into the college football industry" who texted back-and-forth with Stalions. Most of it is just the kind of stuff a mid-20s dude trying to impress someone would say(“I’m close with the whole staff", etc.) The two main bits of interest are thus. One:

“Pre-covid, stole opponent signals during the week watching tv copies then flew to the game and stood next to [then Michigan offensive coordinator Josh] Gattis and told him what coverage/pressure he was gettin,” Stalions continued.

This is doesn't excuse the hiring folks to watch games bits, but does provide some explanation about how Stalions managed to worm his way into the athletic department. The guy probably had some natural talent for figuring these things out.

Two:

Stalions, now 28, revealed that he was part of a small group of people—two of whom he said were at low-level positions on different college football coaching staffs—who were putting their heads together on a long-term plan to run the Michigan football program. Stalions claimed to have a Google document between 550 and 600 pages long that he managed daily, containing a blueprint for the Wolverines’ future. He referred the document as a movement more than a plan, dubbing it “the Michigan Manifesto.”

“Any idea you could ever have,” he wrote, “there’s a place where it belongs in the document. It’s super organized.”

Ah. So it's one of those guys. This bit makes me feel much—much—better about the idea Stalions was calling his own number, unencumbered by the idea anything he was doing was wrong. He is a lunatic.

What the hell, Warde? Obviously Jim Harbaugh should not be hiring lunatics off the street. But he is Jim Harbaugh, a supremely talented football coach who does things like hire lunatics off the street, or Shemy Shembechler. What in God's name is Warde Manuel doing? You are seriously not vetting Harbaugh's hires after the Shemy incident? The constant stream of embarrassing but ultimately inconsequential news is one thing. This is another. 

This should be the end of his tenure as athletic director. Job one is fix all the shit Harbaugh's going to blow past. Job one. 

What about the money? The Post article cites that spreadsheet claiming that the operation was going to cost 15k a year. This naturally leads to questions about where that money is coming from for a guy who makes 55k a year. I have one dollar that answer is "mom and dad."

Sideline passes are hard to come by.

Meanwhile 95% of the time there's an article in the newspaper about how This 25 Year Old Bought A House In A City there's a paragraph that says "mom and dad are loaded." A lot of Stalions backstory makes more sense in that context. My dude can drive back to Ann Arbor when Navy is on the road because he doesn't have to care about money. Devin Gardner remembered him as the guy at every road game:

Gardner was at Michigan from 2010-14. Stalions would have been 15-19 in that span. One doesn't show up at every Michigan road game for a period of four-five years as a teenager unless your parents are well off. There is literally a post on MGoBlog from 2012 in which a "cstalionsuofm" says Frank Clark gave him his gloves. I don't think Stalions was saying "hello dad I need money for Crimes"; I do think it's likely the prospect of a parental backstop is all but mandatory if you're going to live your life like Stalions apparently was.

Noise. If you've been on Twitter the past week you've probably noticed various Ohio State fans breathlessly relating facts like "Stalions stood next to the defensive coordinator" and "Michigan knew a pass was coming on third and goal from the four and then gave up a touchdown." All of this is meaningless. Yes, obviously Stalions was the sign-stealing guy. Therefore he got put next to the people who wanted to know about signs. You're allowed to steal signs. All that matters is Stalions going outside the bounds of the rules to steal said signs. Not one thing an OSU fan has posted is evidence of anything other than Stalions being the sign-stealing guy, which no one denies.

Silver lining. Hoo boy, some of these quotes coming out make OSU's program sound dumber than dirt:

You mean to tell me that you thought Michigan had your signs in 2021 and didn't have a plan for 2022? That you were caught off guard for the freakin' Game? That you couldn't just use wristbands? At some point it's on you, right?

Also, obligatory:

Comments

jimmyjoeharbaugh

October 26th, 2023 at 2:21 PM ^

curious why this site is still throwing its hands up yelling "someone is leaking this but who could it be????" when John U Bacon himself has stated who it is, and apparently it's been posted here a few times too, but then deleted. 

 

> One: the steady drip, drip, drip of one story after another that barely changes the overall picture is indeed the work of a firm hired to damage Michigan's reputation as badly as possible.

 

"A firm"

BlueinLansing

October 26th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^

The name gets removed because of the possible liability attached I'm sure. 

 

OTOH he checks alot of boxes and Bacon basically outed him, which good luck to him.  I have no idea who did what where to who and how but I can see a coordinated smear campaign when it presents itself and this is it to a 'T'.

 

I'm hoping Michigan is clever enough to flip this to  those that want to take us down but jesus that doesn't seem likely so I'll just have to be happy with kicking those folks asses on the field.

J. Redux

October 26th, 2023 at 2:56 PM ^

Seth put the original post back up yesterday, and he explained his reasoning, and it has nothing to do with the fact that the guy in question is a lawyer.  It has to do with the fact that people were boiling mad about the issue and prior to Bacon's public statements the post was little but doxxing a guy based on innuendo.

Furthermore, it doesn't mass my personal sniff test that a guy with Michigan ties is running a coordinated smear campaign against the university.  Leaking something once?  Sure.  But the drip-drip-drip daily stuff is inventional to make sure that this doesn't fall off of the front page, and that's a political operation that makes a lot more sense for a rival, no matter how much this guy doesn't seem to like Harbaugh.

The Mad Hatter

October 26th, 2023 at 3:17 PM ^

I trust Bacon on this, more than anyone else (sorry Seth).

While I agree that the investigation was probably orchestrated by OSU, at enough remove to give Day and the program some deniability, I think it's entirely possible that someone who has been pissed at Michigan since 2008, and who dislikes Harbaugh enough to torpedo him getting an NFL job, is at least one of the leak sources.  Especially considering that person is on the NCAA infractions committee that didn't think a 4 game suspension was a strong enough punishment for cheeseburgerghazi.

I have 3 questions for this whole thing.

Did the behavior alleged actually violate NCAA regulations?  Not the "spirit' of the rules, but the letter.

Who hired the investigative firm?

Who is leaking to the press?

bronxblue

October 26th, 2023 at 2:25 PM ^

Not to defend the hire of Stalions but Stalions has been around the program for a while and, AFAIK, didn't like a bunch of racist shit online.  He seems like a weirdo but this is a school that also hired D.J. Durkin, who's since been hired elsewhere, and also likes Jim Harbaugh.  The line between "passionate" and "stupid weirdo" is really fine.  Matt Weiss sure seemed like a normal, boring dude until he wasn't.  Every program in America has guys like this working for them, and I know it's funny to shit on him about the manifesto but I've written probably close to 400 pages of bullshit about Michigan football so maybe I'm just overly sensitive to my own obsession being treated as a moral failing.

Hiring Shemy was dumb and shows a failure of management by Warde, and if you want to shitcan him for that plus the Mel Pearson fiasco I'm all for it.  He'll be replaced by an equally dumb guy because that's who gets to this position anymore, but so be it.  But it's a bit like roullete around low-level guys who want to make (relatively) little money doing grinding work for your football program.

The guy/gal who turned over the information to the firm might be in for a world of hurt if he/she was working for UM at the time and had agreed to the usual IT policy that you are given access to info but you can't share it with outside parties unless you have explicit permission.  That's part of your contract as an employee that tends to survive your termination, and saying you're a whistleblower for the NCAA doesn't mean shit legally.  I've worked in places with strict IT policies and seen them go after people who removed proprietary IP without authorization.  That's what info on these servers is to UM's football team and it'll be treated as such.  Maybe UM doesn't go after you for public reasons but we'll see.

Also, I suspect we'll learn about who was behind the firm soon enough and when it comes out to be someone associated with OSU, likely through an intermediary or two, it'll be interesting to see how quickly that narrative changes, if it does.  Yes, America doesn't really like cheaters but they definitely don't like snitches or people who whine to the parents because they can't win on the field.  

ColoradoBlue

October 26th, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^

Well, if you buy Brian's theory that the person turning over info to the firm was one of Stalion's scouts (and that seems like the most plausible story), I'm guessing that it was a very informal arrangement with no paperwork involved.  Connor probably just provided an invite to the cloud drive.  There is a non-zero chance that the drive is still exposed right now given the opsec level of this guy.

bronxblue

October 26th, 2023 at 3:09 PM ^

I assume the drive is now closed but you might be right about the informal access.  Though that still means Stalions is liable.  And I will say, as a former UM engineering grad, the security they have at that school is reasonably robust and their practices around device and account security is pretty solid, especially when integrated with a suite like GSuite or Microsoft.  Somebody in IT would have seen a directory made public available to anyone in a link.  Maybe that was deemed fine because it's the football team and whatever, but it would be interesting to know if someone saw it.  It does sound like at least some of the kids involved in his network were UM interns, which probably came with account access.

 

J. Redux

October 26th, 2023 at 2:57 PM ^

Well, that depends.  Do you write "Best and Worst" as part of a plan to remake Michigan football, because only you have the true vision?  Do you collate your work into something that you call, apparently unironically, the "Michigan Manifesto?"

No?

You're good, dude.  Keep writing -- we like what you have to say. :)

Optimism Attache

October 26th, 2023 at 3:13 PM ^

I agree. Without knowing a lot more about Stalions, I really can’t say it should have been obvious this guy is a complete nutbag and not to be trusted. Obviously super passionate and a little weird but I haven’t seen other obvious signs he was going to do something unethical or get the program in trouble. His old post history is more WoverineDevotee than Manifesto Weirdo.
 

Clearly he was doing bad stuff, but was a background check going to reveal anything truly problematic? 

bronxblue

October 26th, 2023 at 5:07 PM ^

Yeah, I've read enough books and articles about college coaches and teams to come to the conclusion that the difference between Stalions and, say, national championship coaches Ed Orgeron, Les Miles, and Urban Meyer is a matter of a couple of degrees.  And those are the "best" versions of those guys - Zack Smith, Kendall Briles, etc. also really love football and turned out to be complete pieces of shit.  

Also, I agree that there's no background check that's going to flag "former Marine who really likes Michigan football" when applying to be a football coach.  If anything, the fact he passed far more rigorous (you assume) checks to be in the Navy also helps to absolve the hiring process here.

echoWhiskey

October 26th, 2023 at 3:25 PM ^

Agreed.  There's something on the nose about Brian calling Stalions a lunatic for writing a "manifesto" about Michigan football when he literally started a blog doing the same thing (for free at first, no less). I'm just not super into this negative narrative about his passion for Michigan on a blog read/written by people with outsized passion for Michigan.

 

BornInA2

October 26th, 2023 at 2:26 PM ^

This is a prime example of why, as a consulting network administrator, I grind my teeth to dust every time a client says, we'll just manage access to the cloud data ourselves.

People who can't remember their passwords for five minutes and are baffled by changing toner in a printer should not be trusted with managing sharing of data.

S.G. Rice

October 26th, 2023 at 2:26 PM ^

The breathlessness of the articles and the stuff from other fanbases is hilarious.  ZOMG sign stealing!  Which is ... completely legal and standard industry practice, you just can't send someone to watch a game in person.  Not because it's somehow unethical, but because the NCAA decided that might be too big of an expense for a small school. 

I would absolutely love to see this blow up spectacularly in the face of someone ** coughcoughRyanDaycough ** if it comes out that laws or NCAA regulations were broken to get whatever information was turned over to the NCAA.  This is, so far, primarily a well-orchestrated smear campaign and you pretty much always love to see those go wrong.

NeverPunt

October 26th, 2023 at 2:27 PM ^

This should be the end of his tenure as athletic director. Job one is fix all the shit Harbaugh's going to blow past. Job one. 

Well it's official, MGoBlog has called for the firing of the A.D. Your days are numbered, Warde. Santa's gonna have to make the move now. 

Is it possible we could get someone who's not just a suit in that job this time? Someone who understands the changing landscape of college athletics and isn't just reactive? Someone who could get high-speed WIFI in the stadium, schedule games so beloved sports don't overlap, pay the players, and for the love of God, tell the NCAA to please file their complaints with the Department of No One Gives a F&*K?

ST3

October 26th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^

https://saturdaytradition.com/coaches/jim-harbaugh/

Head coaching record

  • San Diego (5 seasons): 29-6
  • Stanford (4 seasons): 29-21
  • San Francisco 49ers (NFL, 4 seasons): 49-22-1
  • Michigan (9 seasons): 74-25 (52-17 in B1G play)

I don't know, I kind of think Warde needs a raise for getting Harbaugh to stay this long. He's not exactly an easy person to work with.

 

Colt Burgess

October 26th, 2023 at 2:27 PM ^

I said right away that Stallions was standing next to Minter because that was his job. Funny how the OSU fans make a big deal out of it when they know perfectly well that sign stealing or code breaking is not prohibited. I hope that once this dies down the narrative will turn to OSU being so desperate and petty that they needed to hire a firm to discredit Michigan. Either Ryan Day's ego is so big that he can't believe anyone can beat him without cheating, or he was that afraid of losing his job after a third straight loss to Michigan. 

Blake Forum

October 26th, 2023 at 2:28 PM ^

The most interesting thing to me is this: Who paid the "third-party" investigative group? They may have obtained whatever they have through legal means, but they weren't working for free. Going to be a fun day on here when we inevitably find out the truth

kehnonymous

October 26th, 2023 at 2:29 PM ^

I'm not going to act like we didn't step into a legal gray area and that Harbaugh can be faulted for hiring two too many intense maniacs, but some of these "Checkmate, bitchez" statements are just self-evidently laughable.

Like: mIchiGaN kNeW oSu wAs gOiNg tO pAsS oN 3rD aNd shOrT!!

Come the fuck on.  Anyone who's watched Ryan Day for more then two minutes could've told you that.

robpollard

October 26th, 2023 at 2:30 PM ^

I appreciate the summary, but one thing (out of many) that bothers me about this whole mess: people keep using the word "illegal" when they really mean "against NCAA rules." One is far more important than the other. As far as I can tell, no laws were broken by Michigan.

So I am sure the "commitcrimes" is a throwaway joke (esp considering Brian's disdain for the NCAA and the "seriousness" of sign-stealing & in-person scouting), but it is really "breakNCAArules" -- there were no "crimes" here; just (what seems to be) breaking/bending of rules.

This may seem pedantic, but there are so many actual crimes that have happened at UM, MSU, Penn State, Ohio State, Baylor, USC, etc in their athletic programs that I hope we can save the talk of "illegal" and "crimes" for when it is warranted. This is fundamentally about the NCAA and their stupid, confusing, rules that (allegedly) provide competitive balance in a system where seniors in HS are openly getting $8 million to go to a school.

[Off tiny soapbox]

Also, I wouldn't be too sure the Stallions wasn't using a UM drive. In my experience in academia & public schools, people intermingle their work-provided tools (e.g., email addresses; Zoom accounts; Google Drives) pretty freely with their personal tools. I can't tell you how many times I have invited people/been invited to a Google Drive and they just start throwing emails at it (e.g., gmail; psu.edu) until they get one that gives them access.

Soulfire21

October 26th, 2023 at 4:04 PM ^

It's pretty clear that when a ref calls an illegal formation, it is within the context of the game.

Some NCAA investigations overlap with legal investigations (the FBI probe into college basketball bribery and Kansas, for example), so it is much less clear.

Probably for everyone on this board it's an unnecessary distinction, but words and connotation matter.

ShadowStorm33

October 26th, 2023 at 2:30 PM ^

Really wish Brian would have touched on the language of the rules themselves. The board post (reposted from the diaries) seems to suggest that what Stalions was doing wasn't illegal anyway, which seems like a detail that should be front and center of any discussion...