Searchbits 2: The Tournament May Decide
It's still slow, but:
Viewing Guide
Your Hey This Guy Could Be The Next Coach viewing guide:
THURSDAY
- BYU (Mark Pope) vs Duquense, 12:40 PM, TruTV
- South Carolina (Lamont Paris) vs Oregon, 4pm, TNT
- Dayton (Anthony Grant) vs Nevada, 4:30, TBS
- Colorado State (Niko Medved) vs Texas, 6:50, TNT
- Iowa State (TJ Otzelberger) vs South Dakota State, 7:35, TruTV
- Washington State (Kyle Smith) vs Drake (Darian DeVries), 10:05, TruTV
FRIDAY
- FAU (Dusty May) vs Northwestern, 12:15, CBS
- Baylor vs Colgate (Matt Langel), 12:40, TruTV
- Nebraska (Fred Hoiberg) vs Texas A&M, 6:50, TNT
- Duke (John Scheyer) vs Vermont, 7:10, CBS
- Utah St (Danny Sprinkle) vs TCU, 9:55, TBS
- St Mary's vs Grand Canyon (Bryce Drew), 10:05, TruTV
Jerome Tang and KSU got knocked out of the NIT by Iowa; Amir Abdur-Rahim and USF beat UCF to advance to the second round. Josh Schertz and Indiana State beat SMU 101-92 in the exact opposite of the CSU-UVA game. I would not be surprised to hear that Michigan is poking around Tang soon, because he is just about the only guy even vaguely in the hunt who isn't coaching basketball right now. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in that, hypothetically, unless it continues after guys start getting knocked out.
[After THE JUMP: how about them Rams?]
The Relevant Tourney Game Already Played
Niko Medved and Colorado State obliterated Virginia 67-42. I'm not here to tell you that defensive performance means much against the nation's #211 outfit but Virginia entered that game with the #7 defense in the country and has a 6'8" guy, Ryan Dunn, who's going to go in the first round largely because of his defensive ability.
That 67 doesn't seem that impressive at first glance but once you factor in the sludgeball UVA plays you get 1.1 points per possession, and the remarkable thing is that CSU did this at the rim. They hit 64% of their twos despite missing a number of bunnies and having other shots altered or erased by Dunn. They got zero fast break points, because Virginia, and still had the Cavs in a blender. Some of the passing sequences here are remarkable:
They did not follow the mid-major script to take down an elite high major defense—rain in threes. They only took 14 vs 39 possessions that ended in a 2PA or free throws.
It was a weird experience, being emotionally involved in a basketball game and thinking "I love this offense." Hasn't happened in a couple years.
But This Guy Hasn't Won In The Tourney
Everyone wants to run it back with Beilein, insofar as that is possible, and one crucial component of why Beilein was so attractive is that he had an Elite Eight and Sweet 16 run at West Virginia before coming over to Michigan. Literally no one I highlighted on the above list has been to the Sweet 16 except for May's Final Four run a year ago.
There is not a Beilein out there right now. Let's define "Beilein":
- High major coach.
- Ten-year track record of success.
- Coming off three top 50 teams at a school that does not have a lot of in-built advantages.
- Went to the Elite Eight and Sweet 16 in two of the prior three years.
The previous two S16s had these teams, grouped into a few different categories:
Gonzaga (x2), Duke, North Carolina, Purdue, Arizona, Houston (x2), Michigan (woo!), Kansas, Alabama, Creighton, San Diego State, Tennessee, Michigan State, Texas, Xavier, UConn.
Xavier is hypothetically poachable but Michigan isn't hiring Sean Miller. Brian Dutcher is hypothetically poachable but the reasons that's unlikely have been discussed in this space already.
ALREADY POACHED
St Peter's, Providence, Villanova
Shaheen Holloway went to Seton Hall, where he's been NIT-ish his first two years. Ed Cooley left Providence for Georgetown, where he went 9-23 in year one. Jay Wright was poached by retirement.
SEEMS LIKE A BAD IDEA
Arkansas (x2), Texas Tech, Miami (x2)
Texas Tech's Mark Adams resigned after being racist at a player. Miami's Jim Larranaga is three years older than John Beilein; at that point just hire Beilein. The wheels really came off for Eric Musselman at Arkansas this year; they finished 108th in Kenpom and went 6-12 in the SEC. Also, Musselman is in the Hoiberg genre of coaches. The transfer portal he relies on isn't likely to translate.
EH?
UCLA (2x), Princeton, Kansas State, FAU
Jerome Tang and Dusty May are on the list. Princeton's Mitch Henderson followed up his S16 year with a very good Ivy season (24-5, 12-2, #67 Kenpom) and looks like a good coach but in 2024 Michigan cannot hire an Ivy coach without some intervening years in the real world. The portal could eat him alive.
Let's stipulate that if UCLA's AD is Dave Brandon level, sure, yeah, Mick Cronin would be a good idea:
If he's not, Cronin has a 20 million dollar buyout. And even Mick Cronin would come in for a bunch of criticism for finishing his career at Cincinnati with seven bids and no S16 appearances after 2012.
The only way Michigan can get a coach with a Beilein level of success in the tourney is if May goes on another run. Therefore we should probably be looking at other metrics, which I'd want to do anyway. To me the more important thing about Beilein is that he took over a 7-20 WVU team and steadily improved them; his final three seasons saw Beilein finish #35, #16, and #33 in Kenpom. Beilein's final three conference records: 8-8, 11-5, 9-7. Trust the efficiency margin above all.
Names
Uh… ask again later. Sam Webb brought up Abdur-Rahim in a paywalled post with some interesting details about his potential candidacy. He links this piece from USF's site which may be of interest. On3 doesn't really have much except an assertion that the giant buyout guys are not going to be in play.
I'd take Medved, DeVries, Abdur-Rahim, and May versus the field, FWIW.
Etc.: Exit Yo-Yo.
It’s not Duke in basketball
Doesn't want to be around all those d-bags any more?
He’s a dookie
So, do we want these coaches to win in the tournament to confirm our belief that they would succeed at UofM or lose so that they are more likely to be available and cheaper?
It's amazing how astutely GoGo grasped the nuances of this situation!
March 22nd, 2024 at 12:53 PM ^
"and cheaper"
I see you trying to draw out Warde's burner account. Well done GoGo well done.
Are we going to end up hiring someone with a worse resume than Juwan?
His resume was no head coaching experience.
Then he began lunging and slapping and punching people - inclusive of inside his program.
Is someone on this list a person without a minute of HC experience upon being hired and a history of attacking people?
If Warde is doing the hiring, then yes. Look for a hire that looks nothing like Beilein.
From the Yo-Yo article:
Under Howard, the Wolverines made a habit of attracting European-born talent, as the program has featured the likes of Moussa Diabate, Franz Wagner and Mo Wagner.
I too was grateful that Howard's eventual coming attracted Mo Wagner to Michigan. Much like how the prophecy of Jim Harbaugh attracted Tom Brady to Ann Arbor.
I'm sold on Medved. His offense is a thing of beauty, even with a lack of talent, and his guys are willing and competent defenders. Sounds good to me
March 22nd, 2024 at 12:58 PM ^
55 vs SDSU L
60 vs UNLV L
61 vs New Mexico L
44 yesterday vs Texas
Im having second thoughts here.
UNLV and New Mexico? Not good bob.
I'm curious (and ignorant, so please feel free to tell me if I am being so) if there's an aspect of "can get some of his current guys to portal with him" in hiring a coach. For example, FAU only has three seniors on its roster (more portal targets), whereas CSU has five grad students and two seniors (so, fewer potential portal targets).
Considering our roster is a smoldering crater right now, being able to bring a handful of guys with you--provided of course UM lets them in--might be a tie-breaker.
It's been stated many times, unless they are grad transfers, its gonna be really tough to bring players with you.
We have to assume that the new coach will have to start fresh with recruits. It's gonna be a tough couple years ahead.
Especially given the COVID freebie year, wouldn't seniors be the best bet for transfers (assuming they still have eligibility), since they could come as grad transfers?
The way Medved talked in the post-game presser sounded like Beilein. Offensive coaching seems next level if not elite.
I'm not sure why Sean Miller is a no. I get it, he had "issues" at AZ, but that's all legal now, and he knows how to git r dun in that department. And he's proven he can coach. I wouldn't leave him out of the mix.
My coaches in order of preference:
1.) Craig
2.) John Beilein
3.) Dusty May
4.) Medved
5.) The USF coach or the Drake coach
Here's mine:
Tier #1 = May & Abdur-Rahim (lower floor but super high ceilings)
Tier #2 = DeVries & Medved (higher floor, lower ceiling)
My concern with Brian's favorite Medved is that I'm not sure he's ever had a great team and I don't know if he can recruit at a B10 level. I love that he finds all sorts of weird players and develops them, but we aren't going to win in the B10 with D2-D3 guys not named Duncan. He needs STRONG recruiters on his staff. He's also a bit weird....which may not translate to Michigan? Don't get me wrong, I like him and I'd be content - he's just below May and AAR.
I think if you research May and AAR to see their background and the rocket ship trajectory of their careers they are worth the risk that they are less experienced. I think they will have a huge upside.
You've hit the nail on the head. Abdur-Rahim seems like the guy on the radar with the most potential. He built a tournament team out of nothing at Kennesaw State. Has had immediate success at South Florida. It's all vibes really, but he seems to fit the part of the guy who will become a national name next year or the year after when he takes South Florida to the Elite Eight unexpectedly.
I don't care about a small sample size for his career success. Would love Michigan to roll the dice.
Why is Jon Schier listed as coaches to watch?
No John Becker of the Vermont Catamounts? Winningest coach anywhere.
Don’t want Tang. My top want is Medved. I think he’s good enough to improve his ceiling with Michigan’s infrastructure and smart enough to work around the admissions limitations. Pay him enough to lure him away and I’ll start to rethink my opinions on Warde a bit.
I think May is candidate #1. If that’s who Warde is targeting don’t lose him to Louisville. Michigan should not lose bidding wars to Louisville for coaches.
Sorry but Louisville is a much better job than Michigan for basketball.
March 21st, 2024 at 11:48 PM ^
All about what you prefer in a job. It’s not a blue blood job. It’s Louisville.
Medved is probably the safest bet. Solid fundamental basketball, efficient, good defense, but I’d be keeping an eye on what May does this tournament. If they make another run, you might need to make him your top candidate.
Medved didn’t look too hot tonight. I’d use some of the money earmarked for Harbaugh’s record contract that he didn’t sign and make Jay Wright say “no” to the richest contract in college basketball (unless you don’t think the basketball coach should make more than the football coach). Take the roughly $3.7 million from Juwan’s contract and add the $6 million difference between Moore and Harbaugh’s contracts, and $9.7 million would just exceed Bill Self. Or maybe offer $7.5 million to Scott Drew and give him a $2.5 million raise from where he’s at with Baylor.
I thought Bennett from UVA would be a good choice but they looked uninspired in the play in game. Wright or Drew would be better. Michigan can afford them.
I don’t know the recruiting cycles for basketball and if waiting until mid or late April would be too damaging, but would Billy Donovan ever come back to the college ranks? He was a much better college coach than pro coach, and I’m surprised he’s still in the NBA with the Bulls.
March 21st, 2024 at 11:49 PM ^
Medved groupthink on the board has gotten out of control.
Hire Chris Beard. He already paid his price for the domestic dispute. Ole Miss is not his long term home, MI bball would bounce back right away.
March 21st, 2024 at 11:19 PM ^
We should hire Mike Tyson as our new strength coach while we're at it...
/s
March 21st, 2024 at 11:38 PM ^
So, uh, the S.S. Medved is currently taking on water after shooting 29% in a 12-point loss to Texas earlier today. The silver lining is they outscored Texas in the second half after putting up an abysmal 11 points in the first half (team didn't quit). I'd say that performance roughly cancels out the impressive 25-point shellacking of UVA, so we're back to where we started. Which is nowhere.
March 22nd, 2024 at 12:08 AM ^
Bring in a heavyweight power 5 coach not named Cal/Pitino/Cronin. Give them license to make big changes to the program - including changing layout of Crisler for more noisy students/fans down near the court. Bring admissions in to a closed-door meeting, and make up a new class of scholarship with lower transfer/entry requirements. Lastly get with the Football collectives to find a model to create basketball equivalents. Easy peasy
March 22nd, 2024 at 12:10 AM ^
Shaka Smart and Chris Beard both deserve consideration.
March 22nd, 2024 at 10:11 AM ^
There's this coach with university ties that went to a S16 and E8 with a regular season conference championship as well.. bet he'd be attractive
Tang is a 20 year assistant who overachieved in year 1. He's coming back to reality in year 2. Nice guy but too thin resume for a big job.
Ryan Odom has nearly a decade of HC experience and has been above .600 at every stop except an interim in Charlotte to finish the season when the HC got canned. His UMBC team took down a #1 Virginia as a #16 and VCU just beat post-Jay Villanova in the NIT.
1st year at VCU went 22-13 with what was left after Rhodes left for Pedo St.
March 23rd, 2024 at 12:46 AM ^
Why no mention of James Madison's Mark Byington? He's had success at two places, kicked butt against sparto and wisco. Has 11 full seasons as a head coach, five 20-win seasons. Very similar resume as Danny Hurley's nine years at Wagner & Rhode Island. Very strong candidate imo
Why is Nate Oats (Bama) unpoachable? Buyout?
He seems like a great candidate - has been successful at multiple stops, worked his way up, coached in Michigan high school (Romulus) for a long time, had ties to long time UM assistants, and was a name last time around in the previous coaching search.
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