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Football Bits: Knowing is Half the Battle Comment Count

Seth April 17th, 2024 at 12:55 PM

The system for depth charting:

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Name

Meaning

Rock Star

Player is an All-American/1st rounder/bends the game around him.

Dude

Trusted good starter. Probably All-B10 or in the running.

Guy

Playable B10-caliber guy, very fine in a rotation.

Iffy

Probably don't want him playing extended snaps at this point.

And if his name's in red they plan to redshirt him.

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Quarterback

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Can your friends pull this out their little haaaat? [Bryan Fuller]

The question we're asking is: Would Orji be really mad if we look in the portal?

But they're acting like it's: How cool does Orji look in pads?

What are we hearing? Orji has some wow moments, and the next moment he'll throw another pick. Devin Gardner went to a practice then went on with Sam. Orji:

he looks like a GI Joe… like an action figure (with) a Michigan uniform on, and obviously a bigger version. This dude is built like a rock. When you say hey, what do I want the athlete to look like? That's exactly what it should look like. … The thing for Orji is he's got all the talent in the world, man. (But) you see some opportunities in practice where he missed some throws that… man… you want him to make that throw.

GI Joe like he's shooting blue lasers?

He has some things where his feet aren't always in the right place. His feet aren't as clean as you want them to be. Sometimes you lose accuracy, and you lose timing.

Then Semaj Morgan joined them.

I feel like every quarterback has their unique quality. Orji he just a freak athlete; anything you can think about in a football player he probably can do. Then we got Davis Warren like strong powerful arm, and he's really fast; he be running 22 miles per hour when we run Sprints. Then we got Jayden Denegal; he can throw the ball real accurate. And he big; he can run you over—he's gonna get that first down when we need it. Then we got Jaydyn Davis although very young he's very well-rounded. And I will tell you he's not scared to throw the ball, and that's that's something that I love about a quarterback. I don't care what the coverage is; I don't care who's on me; if you feel like the person in front of me's not better than me, throw me that ball! Jayden Davis understands that.

In the aftermath, Sam devoted a 3R Report($) that said they've been focusing on dropback passing with Orji, and also that Jayden Denegal's struggles didn't continue past the first four practices.

There was clear separation between Orji and him at that point, but not as much since then. He's closed the gap in recent practices with his improved accuracy and has shown better skills on the move than outside observers might expect at first glance.

Davis Warren has a cannon that can't hit the broad side of NCAA hypocrisy, and Jadyn Davis is not going to be put in a position to jeopardize his future, but his accuracy is excellent, especially on the run. From a practice insider, Orji is still in the driver's seat but there's going to be a major drop-off from McCarthy. Botched snaps, interceptions, and plays where the QB doesn't see anything and starts to panic are things that happen to teams that don't have JJ under center, in case you've forgotten, but they've been jarring to some of the used-to-JJ the people seeing them in practice.

Tuttle's still hurt, but Michigan is expected to poke around the portal, which opened this week, and wherein Chris Hummer thinks Michigan will have their pick of the litter. 247's Matt Zenitz adds that UCLA and Northwestern are the only schools currently desperate($) for a starter, but USC and Auburn might provide competition if an elite name enters. Henschke thinks Michigan will be in the market ($).

What it means? Michigan probably does want to add some competition from the portal, but going about it without triggering a tampering investigation or losing one of their own is tricky, and probably only worth the risk for a game-changer. Odds are just as good they stick with Orji and put Jadyn Davis, who could use a season to gain weight before facing Big Ten linemen, on the McCarthy plan.

Depth Chart? I'm still expecting them to redshirt Jadyn Davis unless he passes Denegal.

Quarterback

Alex Orji

Jack Tuttle

Jayden Denegal

Davis Warren

Jadyn Davis

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[After THE JUMP: Let's talk about 4th tight end and 9th OL.]

Running Back

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     Still learning to play quarterback and stuff, still good at this thing. [Bryan Fuller]

The question we're asking is: Mullings jersey or Hall jersey?

But they're acting like it's: Mullings jersey or Hall jersey.

What are we hearing? Tony Alford took the stage, and once everyone got their "Tell me why we're so much better than Ohio State" questions out of their systems we got down to the real battle over which jersey Seth should be purchasing this spring. For #20:

You've got Kalel who moved over from linebacker. I think he's a dynamic player. I think the guy has the opportunity to make a lot of plays. Real smart, smart player. Still learning the running back trade per se. Works hard, he's an extremely talented player. I'm anxious to continue to work with him. Very mature. Another guy who is a leader in his own right, maybe a little different than Donovan but maybe not as vocal. Very dynamic personality as well.

And then you've got…

Tavierre (Dunlap), good player. … He's a little longer-strided guy that works his tail off.

Okay but then…

Ben Hall… Big body, 230-235 pounds. He's had a good spring, he's had a really good spring as far as running the ball vertically, he's tough to tackle because he's real compact and runs hard so it's hard to get a good, solid hit on because there's not a lot of surface area to hit.

Cole Cabana is still dinged up and then we're into walk-ons.

As for fullback, TE coach Steve Casula handles that, but this take both goes here, and is correct:

Max Bredeson is as important of a player that we have.

Casula named Jalen Hoffman as Bredeson's backup.

What it means? Mullings is going to have the Thunder role to himself this year. Good to hear Dunlap mentioned though.

Depth Chart: Breaking these up by role. Designations may also change based on role.

Every-Down

Thunder

Lightning

Fullback

Donovan Edwards

Kalel Mullings

Donovan Edwards

Max Bredeson

Kalel Mullings

Benjamin Hall

Cole Cabana

Jalen Hoffman

Benjamin Hall

Jordan Marshall

Micah Ka'apana

Zach Ludwig

Jordan Marshall

   

Tavierre Dunlap

   

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Receivers & Tight Ends

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     Jeudyish? [Bryan Fuller]

The question we're asking is: What's Michigan doing in the portal? Also, what's Beetham doing in the portal?

But they're acting like it's: I heard you wanted more on Freddie Moore?

What are we hearing?

Semaj Morgan took the stage, and gave us the Moore Talk.

I’d say he’s like Jerry Jeudy. He’s a great route-runner. He’s gonna catch the ball. Also, great at tracking it too. Somebody asked me about Fred, and I was like, ‘Y’all ever seen Jerry Jeudy run routes?’ And then somebody was like, ‘Yeah, that’s exactly what I said.’ I’m like, ‘Yeah.’ Fred is the real deal, and I feel like it’s gonna be a great year for him.

That somebody was Devin Gardner, who made the same comparison, and the moment was when Morgan came on the Webb/Gardner/Horton show. Morgan also added something about Moore's head.

With Fred, it's a lot of upside to him—he's fast, he can catch the ball, he can run great routes—but the great thing about Fred is he really understands football. He's a real student of the game. So Fred y'all gonna see him this year; he gonna be popping off.
 

Alford was asked about Donovan Edwards as a receiver but demurred, backing up info from my insider that they've been having Dono focus on being RB1. As for the tight ends, Casula notched up the Klein talk several steps further.

There's nothing on a football field that Marlin probably can't do. We feel comfortable — I said this the other day in a staff meeting: If Marlin Klein had to go play every play in a game, we'd be good with that. We view Marlin very much as he's in a starting role. … Not that every day has been perfect, but Marlin's incredibly gifted. He's serious about football. He trains hard with Tress and Lock. He goes about his business the right way each and every day.

Casula then said Klein is "probably the most talented guy in the room from a pure physical standpoint" to which Loveland agreed that Klein is "for sure" the faster of the two.

Marlin is the fastest tight end, probably the strongest tight end, biggest tight end, so he's got it all there. … Obviously AJ Barner was one really good in-line blocking tight end. Not saying Marlin can't do that at all — he definitely can. But it's just going to be building that throughout the spring and camp for him, but he's definitely got it on his plate for sure.

As for depth, receiver and tight end were both spots that a Balas source said "isn't where it needs to be."($) Our insider said Prieskorn is still pretty skinny—not gonna be Loveland 2.0, at least not this year. Loveland went on In the Trenches but the freshmen didn't come up. Casula had nothing to say about the freshmen either when he did his turn in front of the mic, but that was before camp started so there wasn't anything to go on. Beetham was their 4th TE in snaps last year and leaves with two years of eligibility remaining.

As for portal receivers, I've been told Michigan's not likely to be involved much with PSU's Keandre Lambert-Smith, whose criteria are how much do you pass and how much are you paying. The Wolverine's staff offered a few names($) of mid-major move-ups.

What it means? I'll buy that Moore is a Guy, but there would be a lot more chatter if he was a Dude. I'm also waiting hear ONE mention of Donovan Edwards playing some receiver, but if anything that sounds even less likely than before, when it was simply "not."

Michigan is clearly looking for a bigger receiver in the portal since they've only got five scholarship guys on the roster at the moment. It'll be a tough sell. Most receivers in the portal are looking for targets and dollar bills; Michigan was already the runniest non-service academy when they had a 1st rounder at QB, and remains the one contender most averse to NIL bidding wars.

Could they also be in the market for an inline TE? Ironically the two guys they lost seem like exactly the kinds of guys they'd be targeting. On the other hand I can see why these guys would want to spend their last two years higher than 4th on the depth chart. Beetham was there last year, but there was a significant gap between himself and Bredeson. On the other hand, Michigan's receiver situation calls for more snaps from the TE group, and it's unlikely they'll get through their brutal schedule without at least one of the top three guys getting banged up.

I was really hoping to get something on Tonielli, Marshall, or failing that, some walk-on who's popping. Jalen Hoffman has only been mentioned at fullback. You'd think Michigan's walk-on program would regularly turn up 6-6 basketballers they can grow into a Carter Selzer or Mike Kwiatkowski, but the other names on the roster are Jr/Sr Noah Howes and So/Jr Brandon Mann, neither of whom have ever come up in a presser. Sounds like Beetham was it.

Depth Chart:

Flanker/Slot

Split End

H Receiver

Flex TE

Inline TE

Move TE

Tyler Morris

Fredrick Moore

Donovan Edwards

Colson Loveland

Marlin Klein

Max Bredeson

Semaj Morgan

Peyton O'Leary

Semaj Morgan

Brady Prieskorn

Deakon Tonielli

Zack Marshall

I'Marion Stewart

Channing Goodwin

   

Hogan Hansen

 

Kendrick Bell

    

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Offensive Line

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Don't take this the wrong way. [David Wilcomes]

The question we're asking is: How's the new line gellin?

But they're acting like it's: What new line; everybody's hurt!

What are we hearing? A lot of the starters have been banged up. One of the insiders we talk to saw practice on a day that Hinton, El-Hadi and Crippen were all out, and that their backups were getting consistently blown up by Jaishawn Barham. Sam Webb confirmed($) they'd been using Persi at LT, Raheem Anderson at center, and Dominick Giudice at right guard.

Before that Jansen said he's been hearing that interior of the line has really started to gel, specifically Priebe and Crippen. Annoyingly these kinds of conversations seem to come off-air then get referenced the following week; the actual interview with Priebe had more mentions of the Original Cottage Inn's clam chowder than any other lineman.

So let's go back to the insiders. Balas has been that things are a bit iffy at tackle, but while Sam, as usual, had much much more to say($): on his show. Bullets from that:

  • Priebe's still learning the playbook.
  • Gentry/Persi neck-and-neck.
  • Bounds "has made some strides" and is still head of Link, who is "better athletically."
  • Guarnera is going to be really good, Frazier needs some time to add weight.

 

What it means? It's hard to gauge much from backups thrown into the fire like that, so I'm taking most of this at face value. You'd like to hear Gentry is ahead of Persi because there's so much potential with Gentry, but whoever loses that battle is going to be playing a ton regardless.

The main news here, other than the injuries and a few early enrollees getting mentioned before they're needed, is that Giudice is still ahead of Efobi, Connor Jones, and Amir Herring at guard. You'd like to hear one of those three is moving up, but that conversation is about Michigan's 8th and 9th linemen. Realistically we're looking at a fine starting five with Jeff Persi backing up four spots and coming in as the 6th OL in places, with Raheem Anderson able to fill in at center or come in behind Persi as a guard.

Center

Guard

Tackle

Greg Crippen

Josh Priebe

Myles Hinton

Gio El-Hadi

Andrew Gentry OR

Jeff Persi (also 6th OL)

 

Raheem Anderson

Tristan Bounds

 

Dom Giudice

Evan Link

 

Nathan Efobi

Connor Jones

Jake Guarnera

Amir Herring

Andrew Sprague

 

Luke Hamilton

Blake Frazier

 

Ben Roebuck

 

 

 

Comments

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

April 17th, 2024 at 9:30 PM ^

Seems like a stretch to define a batch of run plays as rotational role. Maybe the intended pass in the Rose Bowl was indicative of staff confidence, but even that play had the simplest of reads and an easy bail option.

Tuttle certainly seemed like the one option last year that earned first mention as a rotational piece.  I still believe his experience and management of the game is the best fit for a team with an exceptional defense and solid run game. He won’t win the national championship, but he puts UM in position to conceivably win every game if a few plays break the right way.

mackbru

April 17th, 2024 at 5:37 PM ^

Literally everything we've been hearing, here and elsewhere, confirms what we already knew -- that we don't yet have The Guy. Aside from JD, who is a freshman, we have a bunch of guys who were brought in to be likely backups. Ergo: Portal time. There's just little chance an unproven rookie head coach coming off a title year and facing the country's toughest schedule is gonna roll the dice with a totally unproven QB.

alum96

April 17th, 2024 at 1:52 PM ^

Accuracy doesn't go up 10% with "practice" over 4 weeks.  He has had years to work on accuracy and stance and footwork and all that.  If he can't do this in practice, no chance with live action against an opponent with NFL players on it.  Guys don't change dramatically from April to August.

We will be Iowa East this year, you are going to have to rock fight us 10-3.

getsome

April 17th, 2024 at 2:47 PM ^

youre probably right, sadly.

it takes serious reps and the right mentality to be able to consistently throw with timing and anticipation from solid base vs big ten D - not many guys can do that at the requisite level, ever.  not to mention all the checks, getting into good plays or more importantly, out of bad plays, etc.

they did just win the national title though so theres that.  losing entire offense was always going to be tough.  however itd be nice to see moore and crew gain some momentum on the recruiting trail, pay off the playoff run they just had

maquih

April 17th, 2024 at 7:25 PM ^

At the same time, innate accuracy is something you kinda have or don't by the time you get to college.

Camp is about ironing out the high level details you didn't see in high school, not relearning how to throw an accurate ball.

And not to be a downer, but to me it sounds like Tuttle is still in pole position to be QB1 by the time September comes.  We need a QB with accuracy and wisdom/poise above all else IMHO.  Just doesn't sound like Orji will be better than Tuttle at winning football games, not that we couldn't win the conference with either perhaps.

ih8gb

April 17th, 2024 at 7:13 PM ^

Don't you dare talk shit about Brian's takes if you're not even gonna be accurate about it. He said Chaundee Brown, not Caris Levert. And I don't see what's so crazy about thinking you can turn a high school player who's good at defense and eventually turning him into a good 6th man in college.

mgoja

April 17th, 2024 at 1:29 PM ^

Based on this analysis, receiver and O-line look like a definite step back from last year, which is not exactly a surprise. And QB.

I do not want to recalibrate expectations, so I won't. I'll just hope that the coaching staff works some magic with development and/or portal additions, that the training staff can also continue to work magic, and that injury luck is on our side.

Beat Rutgerland

April 17th, 2024 at 3:01 PM ^

QB sure, no matter what happens big ole downgrade. 

Is anybody really confident in saying what we've got in the oline yet, though? Also all respect to last year's receiving corps, but it wasn't the first thing you'd bring up when you talked Michigan football.

It's a tough schedule, but I have a lot of faith in Moore, and that the talent development pipeline has done a lot of the work already. We'll see, but I'll calibrate my expectations when Texas comes to town. 

UWSBlue

April 17th, 2024 at 1:30 PM ^

Orji has been popping up in locker room/weight room videos and vlogs for a couple years now. He's clearly a popular kid. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a captain this season.

alum96

April 17th, 2024 at 1:48 PM ^

Injuries really anywhere aside RB are going to be difficult to manage this year.  We appear to have 2.5-2.75 whole TEs for an offense that loves them.  WR gulp with 1 injury.   WR gulp even with 0 injuries.  Can't even do a 3 WR set right now without using DE, or a guy whose claim to fame is a spring game.  Astonishing lack of depth on this side of the ball for a national champion. 

Let's go full wishbone this year, no one will see it coming.

DaftPunk

April 17th, 2024 at 2:13 PM ^

Probably.  If Tuttle can get healthy, he seems able to step up to the "serviceable B1G starter" level. Better to have the injuries now than Labor Day, so hopefully everybody's healthy and fall camp gives us everyone's best look.  Shame about Davis Warren.  He would have been a great Cinderella story.

DelGriffith

April 17th, 2024 at 2:17 PM ^

What the heck do you do with the "amazing-athlete-qb-who-can't-actually-play-qb"? I don't want to lose Orji, and it's such a waste to have that guy at QB if you aren't gonna/can't start him. And of course, the most logical position change would be to RB, where we are already stacked. I have no answers and I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions. 

Seth

April 17th, 2024 at 4:00 PM ^

I can't find the article right now but historically most transitions from quarterback to another position do not go well. There's already a wide precedent for QBs with a dangerous running ability. You use that threat to create easy pass reads. People have won championships this way.

Double-D

April 17th, 2024 at 6:06 PM ^

The thought of Orji and our run game, if even he can be an average threat in the passing game, is genuinely exciting.  The run game threat should open things up for him.

It just seems like we would have seen the reps in some of the early blow outs. Maybe it was an oversight.

I hope I’m wrong.