OSU Allegedly Offering 1st-Round Money to MHJ and Henderson
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Not sure what to think about this information, if it's true. OSU's recruiting class seems to be falling apart relative to their standards, and a bunch of dudes are transferring out, so one way to view this is desperation. On the other hand, maybe you say it's best-in-class comp for players that sets a standard.
I think Harrison should go to the NFL. He's not playing for a rookie contract; he's playing for the next one. But I didn't realize Henderson was considered a 1st-round talent, especially with his injury history. If he won't see that first round money, maybe it's a good move for him.
As for the recruiting consequences, I think it's a wash. On one hand, the great players get paid and this creates a carrot similar to what Michigan currently provides. On the other hand, if you're a kid focused on playing time and these big names keep coming back, maybe you look elsewhere.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:03 PM ^
Nothing is guaranteed in life but MHJ getting drafted top 5 and being a perennial all pro would be better overall for the program and MHJ.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:14 PM ^
Henderson coming back I would sort of get, even if I think he's unlikely to improve his stock much. But Harrison is absolutely not sticking around in Columbus for money reasons. Also, assuming we're amortizing a first-round contract + signing bonus over the 5 years they usually span means Harrison is due about $7-$8M/yr at a top-5 pick, which would be a hell of a lot of money to hand over to one guy, and Henderson has a low first rounder would be another $3-$4M, so we're talking about $10-$12M for 2 guys. That's a LOT of money for these collectives, who we've seen talk about one number but struggle more often than not to pay close to that.
I mean, if OSU wants to try to stave off a 4th loss go for it but this feels like a bad idea for a team that likely will also need to sign a QB, some additional skill position players on offense and defense, etc.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:17 PM ^
We should offer MHJ 1st round money to come here!
December 7th, 2023 at 2:18 PM ^
1st Round Money means $20M guaranteed.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:23 PM ^
So, basically, staying on-brand with the Tressel era
December 7th, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^
Pure desperation. A real coach would be trying to get these kids to the league.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^
Let me guess, Harrison is getting an NIL contract from the Columbus Maserati dealer?
December 7th, 2023 at 2:42 PM ^
Henderson should stay. He's like Donovan Edwards (homerun threat, but not elite vision or balance) minus the receiving ability. Also, running backs just not getting paid in the league these days.
MHJ is a generational talent and should leave asap. Guy was NFL ready last year. He'll be a top 5 receiver in the league next year and has all the measurables and intangibles for a hall of fame career with some QB luck and avoiding injuries. Get started toward that 2nd contract (generational wealth) asap.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:44 PM ^
No way Marvin Harrison stays lol. He’s like the only can’t miss this year in the draft.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^
Marvin looked like a guy who couldn't wait to get out of Columbus. Henderson however was one of the few showing emotion and fire. So even beyond the money and prospects it'd make much more sense for Henderson to stay. Feel a little bad for the guy that he went to that sterile lifeless place instead of a real university where he could be a part of a good culture instead of an NFL packing facility.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^
Didn't Stroud take it down to the last day a year ago?
Harrison coming back for one year of money when he's a guaranteed top 5 pick with a new QB coming in and skipping out on guaranteed money of an NFL contract would be insane.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
🎵 Marv Maserati weighs two hundred and five
He lost The Game when Rod picked off their drive 🎵
December 7th, 2023 at 3:10 PM ^
Henderson is extremely talented, but he is just as brittle. He's as talented but more brittle than JK Dobbins, who was a 2nd rounder, I believe. I wouldn't be surprised to see TH back because he is not going to make the 1st because of his peanut brittle plantars.
We will have the same defensive line coming back--same but a year more in the weight room and scheme--so I have faith he "isn't him."
I do, however, hope MHJ goes so that my Bears can do the right thing and draft him over a QB. He'll make more in the long run by going pro now because he's already the OPOY favorite.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:33 PM ^
Disagree on Henderson vs Dobbins.
Henderson is great if you can give him a hole and it's the one he expects to be open when the play is called - he doesn't make a lot of yards on his own against good defenses. Dobbins was a lesser version of Zeke with good balance, good vision, and ran hard.
Sites have Henderson going 59th in draft which is probably accurate.
Marvin Harrison's first year bonus would be 20+M so I'd think that would be very hard to come close to with NIL.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^
Hard to imagine they'd have the NIL budget to offer "first-round money" to even one player, let alone two.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:15 PM ^
Well that kind of money is culturally significant. Should enhance Team chemistry. Any assurances they still won't have to learn where the campus is?
December 7th, 2023 at 3:39 PM ^
Is it enough money to cover the monthly payments on a special edition Louis Vuitton Maserati?
December 7th, 2023 at 3:48 PM ^
yes, but not all the maintenance costs. Maserati's are garbage
December 7th, 2023 at 3:42 PM ^
It’s 3:42 PM, and Ohio still sucks.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:52 PM ^
more than Finebum, aka "dick with ears"!
December 7th, 2023 at 3:51 PM ^
The NIL deals will keep getting larger for these types of players. Eventually the NFL arms race might even have to step in to make the NFL even more compelling of an option, particularly for later round talent. The sweet spot does seem to be where NIL and unrealized goals intersect a la Blake Corum and crew as it relates to the Natty. MHJ "would be foolish" to stay, but his means and goals might be a little different than others. Giving Michigan one more shot is not a crazy thought...we should appreciate that more than any other fanbase.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:51 PM ^
2 words (unfortunate) about staying for MHJr: Zak Zinter! Bad thing about Harrison, not a kid who needs to collect the bag!
December 7th, 2023 at 3:53 PM ^
We did this last year with Blake and a few of the O-linemen. I remember it being said that they weren’t giving anything up financially by coming back due to their NIL deals.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^
Harrison will leave. Would be crazy not to. Henderson would be stupid not to take first round $ because he is a running back. Running backs are not worth first round $ anymore IMO.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^
Unless he has a strong desire to continue the student athlete experience at Thee Ohio State University, then Mazda Marv is going to move on.
The problem with football factories is it is all about the money and moving on to the pros. There is no reason for Marv to stay.
I assume the same for Henderson.
Someone like Cade Stover could be persuaded to come back for NIL.
December 7th, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^
MHJ is a top 5 draft pick, and #5 (Witherspoon) last year got a 4-year rookie deal for $31.9 million, with $20.2 million signing bonus. The contract is fully guaranteed for Witherspoon. If MHJ goes pro, he's essentially guaranteed $31.9 million (or more). Are you telling me that OSU is matching that? Or even matching 1/4 ($8 million) of that? That's insane and dumb. If I were MHJ, I sit out the bowl game, take my $32 million, and have a jeweler make some fake gold pants jewelry to make up for never winning The Game. There's no way he should go back to OSU and risk $32 million (or more) when you're a lock to go so high in the draft.
As for Henderson, if he goes last pick in the first round, that's a fully guaranteed $11.8M contract, or about $3 million per year. Now, I don't think he's a first round talent but if OSU is giving him "first round money" then that means that amount.
I just have a hard time seeing OSU shelling out that much.
December 7th, 2023 at 4:14 PM ^
There isn't a RB in college right now that should even sniff the first round. I know I wouldn't be wasting a 1st rd pick on a RB. The NFL is not a RB league anymore. You can find good RB's in late rounds or even as FA signings.
December 7th, 2023 at 4:16 PM ^
Both should go.
MHJ isn't going to get any better position in the draft by staying.
Henderson is a RB, the market for these guys is so different now. RB's basically only have X amount of carries in them and the longer he stays in college that is less carries in the NFL. He's a guy that if productive could get a big, for an RB, 2nd contract.
December 7th, 2023 at 4:26 PM ^
I don’t believe it. That’s like almost $20M on 2 players and that’s probably most of their NIL budget. I’ll believe it when I see it
December 7th, 2023 at 4:44 PM ^
I’m sure Day is revisiting his luncheon comments with boosters about the NIL he’ll need to “keep the band together”. After three consecutive losses to the Maize & Blue - I wonder how many of those boosters will want more details about the “return” on their investment.
I don’t know what impact has been felt at A&&M - but, it seems like they spent a bit on NIL a few years ago to sign / secure their class - and the result was to spend another $75M to get rid of their coach.
A&M has oil money. Where’s the Buckeye funding coming from?
December 7th, 2023 at 4:47 PM ^
Meth.
December 7th, 2023 at 8:38 PM ^
Cant spell Meth without
M being in front of THE Ohio state buckeyes.
December 7th, 2023 at 5:20 PM ^
Would be smart for Henderson because he’s a3 RD rd pick at best. Maserati Marv or whatever they’re calling him is gone if he’s smart. Top 10 pick and get to that 2nd contract a year earlier. This stanks of desperation and is clearly having a huge negative impact on the locker room. I’ve been steadfast in my opinion that a high end player like say Dante Moore isn’t worth splitting up your locker room over if needing to give a boat load of NIL to the other guys are going to resent its human nature.
December 7th, 2023 at 5:27 PM ^
Sticking around is for probable second rounders who want to play their way into the first. It’s the least wise option for guaranteed top 10 picks.
December 7th, 2023 at 5:58 PM ^
So will OSU cover these guys if they get hurt in college and never end up with a full NFL contract? I could see it working out for Henderson but not for Harrison. There's no way he would get money to match what he will get in the NFL where he is projected. If he was the first pick which is entirely possible he could get a $41 million dollar contract with a $26 million dollar signing bonus and an annual cap hit of $7.4 million. Not a chance OSU comes anywhere close to those numbers.
December 7th, 2023 at 6:46 PM ^
This is crazy talk for all the above reasons plus wanting to get past your rookie contract. The longer Harrison is in school the longer it takes to get to his second monster contract so it’s not apples to apples dollars alone (ignoring the $20m signing bonus). Dude is a sure fire WR as I’ve seen in college - so can’t compare him to most WRs.
Henderson could draw the analogy to Blake but Blake ended the year injured and just as importantly had a stacked team on a mission. Ohio has no such thing to offer and all the starters could be gone, so his stock could also go down. Plus his speed seems fine for a passing down back in NFL
December 7th, 2023 at 7:00 PM ^
Honestly, good for the two young men.
December 7th, 2023 at 7:27 PM ^
First Round Money > First Round Money and losing to Michigan again
December 7th, 2023 at 8:04 PM ^
I read an article on Yahoo earlier that said Henderson is staying. If you are Harrison or Henderson, do you take first round money for one year by staying at OSU, or do you take first round money for a few years by entering and getting drafted?
December 7th, 2023 at 8:10 PM ^
If Corum isn’t a 1st round, there’s no way in hell Henderson is. He’s made of glass and produces nothing against a D with a pulse. Maybe he’s got less miles on himself than Blake, but that’s only because he’s been injured half the time. No way he goes round 1. Now MHJ….he can name his price.
December 7th, 2023 at 8:39 PM ^
I honestly havent seen a OSU cant miss back do less in the game.
December 7th, 2023 at 9:00 PM ^
MHJ is extremely good but comes across as a freaking prima Donna. As some have mentioned, I wouldn’t doubt that he may be negatively affecting the locker room and culture over there. His hustle and effort (or lack of) after the WJ interception immediately jumped off the screen to me. IMO, it spoke volumes as to what type of player he is. He would fit perfect in the league.
December 7th, 2023 at 10:20 PM ^
Henderson should take that deal: he's not durable enough to last an entire rookie contract, so he's getting the same four years regardless of when he enters the draft. Most guys are trying to tack on years to the back end of their first contract, but he'd be wise to attach years before it. And plus, he's going to tweak his ankle in the second game, miss the next nine, come back to get worked by Michigan a fourth time, then skip the bowl game to prep for the draft. First round pay for 2.5 games isn't a bad deal and barely adds miles to the odometer.
December 8th, 2023 at 7:23 AM ^
NFL Groupies > OSU Groupies (considering OSU groupies are a bunch of middle aged men who wear face paint and costumes to games)
December 8th, 2023 at 9:57 AM ^
Probably not true, but if it is, could explain why other guys are in the portal. If you're the QB or the other RB, who played better against Michigan, what are the chances being offered way less money than multiple teammates doesn't rub you the wrong way?